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Womens self defense (sshapkido@aol.com) --__--__-- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 08 Mar 2006 22:48:25 -0900 From: Dan Scholten To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Master Dan How to obtain Grants for Tae Kwon Do and MA Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net To Rocky Abild and other brothers in MA This will be the first installment of several on how to raise funds for your programs. Since I am very busy of late I decided to do this in pieces so you can print them out and collect the info as I have time. 1. To grant write or not??? First if you are not an experienced grant writer with a serious non-profit 501-C that has good records and accounting in existence for over two years and an income in the millions you are wasting your time. In larger dollars over ten thousand to one hundred thousand or more you must meet these requirements to even be considered. Most foundations have minimum requirement especially federal grants. It can take 6 to 18 months work to successfully write a grant so it is no small amount of effort and expense. BUILD SUPPORT FOR MONEY ALL READY THERE: Focus on programs for after school or community centers. Show demonstrated letters of reference from educational, health care and other wellness focused professionals in support of your teaching. Show developmental improvements in behavior and academics. This can be for youth or adults effecting recovery from addictions, physical disability, abuse or other maladies. Make friends with grant administrators with money to spend from schools, Hospitals or Public Health organizations. You will find money to pay you to teach and equipment for the students from uniforms, contact gear but call it safety gear, mats ect. You will not be able to get travel funds for tournaments but you could raise funds for cultural exchange or education. It is very easy to raise $5,000 to $25,000 doing this. FIND A NON PROFIT TO ADMINISTER YOUR GRANT. Many good non-profits are willing to help write and administer your grant for a fee. Be careful, if they are good and believe in what you are doing they will charge as little as 2% to 15% fee. Do not try to use Native corporations many charge as much as 48% administrative fees and many have bad accounting history or because of high overhead are refused the grants. School Districts, or Community centers such as Boys and Girls clubs ect are very good. I raise 5 to 20 thousand every year with out much work for equipment. This year I received a grant to purchase a traditional Chinese Dragon to form a dance group with in our TKD club. You can exploit fund raising for Health or as a performing Art but you will have a hard time related to competition. The two main areas to raise funds from are Private foundations or the Book of Federal Domestic Grants Programs. There are two good reasons to study both of these. First find out what they have funded in the past and how much they have to give to how many people. You can find out that an organization in your area has received funds to spend on programs or is going to receive funds and target that group. You need to quickly determine who is specifically going to give money for your needs and in your area. I focused on the fortune 500 and specifically on the top 200. Your being in Washington may give you a chance at the Microsoft foundation/Gates Foundation but not directly possibly indirectly by a non-profit already receiving funds in your area. Grant writers will charge you 25% fee to write a grant and that may be good or bad, talk with Grant administrators they already have the funds and need to spend it and account for success. Foundations need to give the money away but they want the biggest bang for the buck which means demographics and population/voters or some hidden agenda which they want to promote. AT&T gives about $350 million a year but not one dime to Alaska?? Because we just don't have enough population in the state to count when it comes to votes in D.C. However Robert Wood Foundation gives hundreds of millions to Alaska health organizations. There is tons of money related to Diabetes grants and TKD can qualify very well for this combined with diet and healthy life style training. Next installment I will provide you with links and how to do research on the net. Rocky let me know if you got this Master Dan --__--__-- Message: 2 From: "dugy01" To: Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2006 02:56:58 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] Ninjitsu - Koga Ryu Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net To Jye nigma I spelled Ninjitsu as the way I thought it is spelled,,, now looking at the catalog, I see it's Ninjutsu... I don't know if it's a "KOGA" or not... sorry. I'll know more later and let you know. Jye said: I noticed that you spelled it Ninjitsu, so I'm wondering if you are studying a "koga" ryu of sorts? From my experience, you're gonna find that ninjutsu if gonna be a cool system to learn! no nonsense approach to total destruction of your opponent(s). It's my opinion that your hapkido and ninjutsu training will fuse together rather nicely with the exception of certain principles. --__--__-- Message: 3 From: "dugy01" To: Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2006 03:22:36 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] Self Defense Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Thank you all for answering my questions on combining Combat hapkido with Ninjutsu. You're probably right about building a foundation with one art then adding, but since I am trying to be more proficient with my self defense tactic for the present, and as quickly as possible, I have formed my own opinion which will be to pursue both arts. Though becoming a black belt is the goal, I would prefer to rather go slow earning belts and train, train , train in self defense. Getting into street fights might be the way to learn from the ground up and become a great fighter, but @ 58, I'm not interested in that particular method thanks. . I am interested to learn how to defend myself from a mugger, a threat, whatever by training with others with the same thoughts, ie students. I'd rather train with these students then from going out in the street and picking a fight with a stranger, I'd rather fight someone I know, and get beat than someone I don't know. This way I can train... I don't need real street fights to train though there's talk about the adreneline rush and stuff... And about the Ninjitsu, it's a class that I have been told will help me in my learning self defense. I could always go to a street fighting seminar or two or more and learn or take a web course, but I really want to learn self defense. Though some of you have said that I should first build a foundation with one martial art, rather than combine 2 or more, and I do agree somewhat. I strongly believe that it will help my own well being to learn more self defense moves by taking both courses. Though I would love to be a black belt, I am more interesed to become proficient in Self defense if it means combining 2 arts and even taking it slow on earning the ranks. Staying away from areas that have thugs is always a good idea, but I had gone to my private club and was beaten by non-members. I was unsuccessful in trying to prevent the argument using words. I admit I should have perhaps just walked away instead of waiting to be shoved away.. my fault. I blame myself... but 3 against one..well... maybe I should have body blocked them? I am new to martial arts, I will be the first to admit it.. and I did ask for opinions and only one of you agreed that by taking both will they compliment each other.... As Jye said: "It's my opinion that your hapkido and ninjutsu training will fuse together rather nicely, with the exception of certain principles"...... I wholeheartedly agree with the first segment of that sentence. With time, I expect to learn the 2nd. DougM --__--__-- Message: 4 From: ChunjiDo@aol.com Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2006 09:07:31 EST To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: women's self defense seminars Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Just curious, do any of you folks out there run women's self defense seminars, classes or have a part of your classroom training geared towards. If so, I would love to hear about your program, thoughts about defense and any pertaining item. Thanks! Sandy ------------------------- hi sandy, we do. i can email you our outline if you'd like. take care, melinda :) Chajonshim Martial Arts Academy _www.cjmaa.com_ (http://www.cjmaa.com/) 1.573.673.2769 Chajonshim Martial Arts Supply _www.cjmas.com_ (http://www.cjmas.com/) 1.877.847.4072 --__--__-- Message: 5 Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2006 06:15:42 -0800 (PST) From: "E. Montgomery" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Women's Self Defense Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net My Sabunim, Ray Amanat, has a women's self-defense class and also teaches women's self-defense through the local community college for a number of years. You can contact him through his website at www.respectcenter.com. Ellen Montgomery __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com --__--__-- Message: 6 From: "Suk Jung Kim" To: Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2006 09:20:38 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] Summer Camp with Do Ju Nim Ji, Han Jae (June 22 - 24, 2006) Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net To all Martial Artists; My name is SJ Kim, an instructor of HKD & TKD, also a student of DJM Ji, Han Jae. I want to personally invite you and your students (10 and older) to a 1st Annual Summer Camp with DJM Ji at Lebanon Valley College, Annville, PA (fly into Harrisburg International Airport). Following are basic information regarding the summer camp, for more information, please contact me at kimausa@comcast.net or (717) 909-5566. Date: June 22 - 24, 2006 (check in evening of 21st and check out morning of 25th) Location: Lebanon Valley College, Annville, PA Fees: $350/person before May 21, 2006 $375/person after May 21, 2006 Fees include: training, meals, housing and T-shirt. Things to bring: uniforms, bedding (sheets or sleeping bag), pillow, toiletries, etc Spaces are limited, contact me ASAP and reserve your space. Thanks and I hope to see many of you this summer for an awesome training. SJ Kim Kim's Institute of Martial Arts (KIMA) --__--__-- Message: 7 Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2006 10:08:54 -0500 From: "Rick Clark" Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] Self Defense To: Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net To toss one last opinion in: I always find it interesting that some believe that we can not separate two or three different arts if they are practiced at the same time. People study different topics all the time, kids play baseball AND football in the same day, people ride English and Western saddle all the time. Why is it that people think that you can not study more than one martial art at the same time? Heck they did that in the old days all the time (pre modern martial arts). People would practice sword arts, archery, weapons, hand to hand to become a well rounded warrior of the era. Why is it that we are different today? Personally I suspect there are reasons that are not associated with the actual study, but rather the political, economic, and issues an instructor might have. Rick Clark "I am not young enough to know everything." - Oscar Wilde www.ao-denkou-kai.org >-----Original Message----- >From: dugy01 [mailto:dugy01@msn.com] >Sent: Thursday, March 09, 2006 3:23 AM >To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net >Subject: [The_Dojang] Self Defense > > >Thank you all for answering my questions on combining Combat >hapkido with Ninjutsu. > >You're probably right about building a foundation with one art >then adding, but since I am trying to be more proficient with >my self defense tactic for the present, and as quickly as >possible, I have formed my own opinion which will be to pursue >both arts. Though becoming a black belt is the goal, I would >prefer to rather go slow earning belts and train, train , >train in self defense. > >Getting into street fights might be the way to learn from the >ground up and become a great fighter, but @ 58, I'm not >interested in that particular method thanks. . I am >interested to learn how to defend myself from a mugger, a >threat, whatever by training with others with the same >thoughts, ie students. I'd rather train with these students >then from going out in the street and picking a fight with a >stranger, I'd rather fight someone I know, and get beat than >someone I don't know. This way I can train... I don't need >real street fights to train though there's talk about the >adreneline rush and stuff... > >And about the Ninjitsu, it's a class that I have been told >will help me in my learning self defense. I could always go to >a street fighting seminar or two or more and learn or take a >web course, but I really want to learn self defense. Though >some of you have said that I should first build a foundation >with one martial art, rather than combine 2 or more, and I do >agree somewhat. >I strongly believe that it will help my own well being to >learn more self >defense moves by taking both courses. Though I would love to >be a black belt, I am more interesed to become proficient in >Self defense if it means combining 2 arts and even taking it >slow on earning the ranks. > >Staying away from areas that have thugs is always a good idea, >but I had gone to my private club and was beaten by >non-members. I was unsuccessful in trying to prevent the >argument using words. I admit I should have perhaps just >walked away instead of waiting to be shoved away.. my fault. I >blame myself... but 3 against one..well... maybe I should have >body blocked them? > >I am new to martial arts, I will be the first to admit it.. >and I did ask for opinions and only one of you agreed that by >taking both will they compliment each other.... As Jye said: >"It's my opinion that your hapkido and ninjutsu training will >fuse together rather nicely, with the exception of certain >principles"...... > >I wholeheartedly agree with the first segment of that >sentence. With time, I expect to learn the 2nd. > > >DougM >_______________________________________________ >The_Dojang mailing list, 2,100 members >The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net >Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource >Standard disclaimers apply >http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang --__--__-- Message: 8 To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net From: Rudy Timmerman Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2006 10:57:57 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] Congrats Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Way to go Alain. My sincere congratulations on a job well done. I highly recommend his book as well. Rudy --__--__-- Message: 9 From: "Gordon" To: Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2006 10:38:34 -0600 Subject: [The_Dojang] Self Defense at 58 = Carpe diem Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Since it's been thought, yet not said, I just wanted to have it said: "A jack of all trades is a master of none." The word: "master", being the key word. Most of the members on this list are dedicated to "mastering" their art, to keep it pure, to continue the line. They want to give you a solid foundation for the future. At 58, your future should be well within your view. However, to protect yourself, you need not be a master of any certain martial art, simply a master of yourself. Like Bruce Lee said: "Use what works." Live every day as it was your last, learn what you can, be happy and enjoy life, don't fear it. He who controls himself, controls his destiny. Gordon Okerstrom --__--__-- Message: 10 From: "Amcreva Drogovah" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2006 13:25:44 -0400 Subject: [The_Dojang] Nervous About The Tournament Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I would like to thank everyone with all the advice you have given me. I"m still a little bit nervous but My Master says just to calm down and relax and breathe. Thank you for your support! I"ll tell you all if I won something! ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Powerful parental controls improve your peace of mind with MSN Premium. Join now and get the first two months FREE* --__--__-- Message: 11 Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2006 11:47:49 -0600 From: "Dunn, Danny J GARRISON" To: Subject: [The_Dojang] Self Defense Seminars and Classes Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Sandy, I do teach all the sessions you mentioned. Normal classroom for my students is the most complete and the way I prefer, because they understand the physical aspects better. Strictly self defense seminars and classes I tailor to the audience. Varies with age and lifestyle. I spend most of the time on: environmental awareness ( color coded awareness levels, personal and shared spaces), recognizing power and control tactics, recognizing and understanding crime anatomy, survival mindset, and making the decision to act, behavior and risk, and responsibility. For my TSD students, I focus on the differences in classroom activities and real self defense, complete with attacker and real continuous defense. We get rough for males and females, females always work with larger stronger male attacker. With self defense only, focus on a very few techniques, 3 tactics, and continuous struggle, and teaching women its ok to hit hard and be rude. Again topics covered depends on audience. Everyone has a chance to go against a padded attacker. A seminar or self defense class can never really prepare any person for defending themselves. The most important things you can teach are in my third paragraph. Danny Dunn <<<<<<<>>>>>>>>> --__--__-- Message: 12 Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2006 11:50:45 -0800 From: "Ray Terry" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] WTF office moving Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net The WTF will be relocated to the following address from March 17, 2006: 4th Fl., JoYang Building 113, Samseong-dong, Gangnam-gu, Seoul, Korea 135-090 Kindly note that the contact information will remain same. Tel: (82 2) 566-2505 / 557-5446 Fax: (82 2) 553 4728 --__--__-- Message: 13 Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2006 18:40:29 -0500 From: sshapkido@aol.com To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Womens self defense Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Sandy asked.... "Just curious, do any of you folks out there run women's self defense seminars, classes or have a part of your classroom training geared towards. If so, I would love to hear about your program, thoughts about defense and any pertaining item. Thanks! Sandy" Speaking from a woman's point of view...Our schools has hosted women's self defense seminars on occasion in the past and I have even taught one in the past. And these might help a woman be more aware or potentially if she's lucky remember something that might help her out of a tight spot. But I personally believe that training regularly is a much better option if women truly want to be able to defend themselves. I also believe that there should be an assumption of equality in training women. Now, I don't mean that in some women's lib sort of way. What I mean is, you should expect as much out of the women you're training as you do out of the men and they should expect as much or more out of themselves. You should have the same requirements for women as for men, although you must realize that women's body's are different and they may need to adjust some techniques to realize their full power and potential. Also, women should train as realistically as possible in class. If they are training with a partner, they should train with a male partner under most circumstances. I mean, I pitty the day when some other woman attacks me. Women are most likely to be attacked by men and so they need to practice techniques with a male partner. They also should practice techniques with an intensity that is sufficient for the intended purpose at hand. What did I just say? Let me put it another way, I often tell the lower ranked women in our class that they should not be training as if their good friend and fellow green belt Joe is grabbing them. They should be training as if some half crazed maniac just jumped out of the bushes at them intending to drag them back into the bushes and do bad things to them. This mental picture generally makes an impression on the ladies. Now having said that, this doesn't mean that we should be allowed to wail on and abuse the guys we are training with. Partners must be treated safely and with respect. The ultimate goal of training is after all learning to control our own bodies and then learning to control the attacker. But we should have the mentality of training for that day when we have to use what we've learned to defend our lives. In other words 'you are what you train to be and if you are training as if it's ballet class, your attacker is going to be fighting a ballerina when you try to defend yourself.' Hehe..I don't think any attacker of mine is going to think he's gotten a hold of a ballerina...... Anyway, I could go on and on and on ...but I'll leave it at that. --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang http://the-dojang.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/the_dojang Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and http://MartialArtsResource.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of The_Dojang Digest