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RE: Front Kicks & History (Rick Clark) --__--__-- Message: 1 Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 10:18:23 -0500 From: "Rick Clark" Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] Kicks - Holy Cow- This is a good discussion To: Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Hi Luther, >From: Luther Veuleman [mailto:charlie@tsdofla.com] > In my O so Very Humble and only 12 years in the arts, I think it is tough to tell it apart. Some teacher always have >their students throw it from a front stance, some switch it up and have them throw it from fighting or back stances, some do >both for variance. Performing a kick from different stances, leg back, leg forward, equal, jumping, spinning, skipping, no matter what really does not make a difference in the actual kick itself. A front kick has a basic component, leg comes up, leg goes out, part of the foot makes contact with your target. There will be some slight variation on the height of your target, your flexibility, distance to target, is it a snap or thrust, lots of little things. BUT the basic concept of a front kick is the same. Rick Clark www.ao-denkou-kai.org --__--__-- Message: 2 From: Ray Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Front Kicks & History To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 07:52:50 -0800 (PST) Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > Ray then says: > > Are you saying that TKD does not look at "gripping the ground"? If > that's the point you are making, I would have to disagree, at least from > the Chung Do Kwan I was taught. Perhaps the more modern approach is > different than what I was taught and practice. FWIW, it was Rick that said the above. Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 3 From: "Gladewater SooBahkDo" To: "the_dojang" Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 10:37:35 -0800 Subject: [The_Dojang] Kicks/ Yk Ro Hyungs Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I have to disagree on the subject of kicks being the same. The one fact that can not be argued, is that physics describes Force as Mass times Speed. A persons center of gravity is at the hips/waist. This means the more weight or hip used the more power that can be dilivered. The use of hip in kicking is a dramatic difference when I watch people demonstrate TKD--SBD--and Karate-do kicks. The thories of how power is dilivered is very different. The short snapping kicks of traditional Karate-do use very little hip, and Soo Bahk Do maximizes hip motition. I don't say this to debate the effectivness of each style only to say they are very different. I would also like to say to Mr. Clark. It is good to see you replied to my last post with respect and tact. Also about the Yuk Ro Hyungs. My understanding is that Hwang Kee KJN while translating the Kwon Bup section of the MYDBTJ. Organized the techniques he found into a Hyung format and created the Yuk Ro Hyungs. The Hyungs do not in any way look like pyung ahn hyungs, naihaji, chin-to, or any other Shotokan kata. I have listed below some of the techniques or methods used in the hyung, however I don't believe the hyungs are in print, or video formats. The only way to get legitamate instruction on them is from a Soo Bahk Do instructor, or best HC Hwang Kwan Jang Nm Hwak Kuk Kwon Do Kong Kyuk Hwak Kuk Jang Kwon Do Kong Kyuk Hwak Kuk Jang Kap Kwon Kong Kyuk Do Mahl Sik--Paint, Smear, Rule Method Tago Sik--Beating, Drum Rule, method Po Wol Seh--Embracing, Moon, Force, (poise,Position) Yo Sik--Shake, Rule, method The Hyungs are Yuk Ro Cho Dan--Du Moon Yuk Ro E- Dan--Joong Jul Yuk Ro Sam-Dam-Po Wol Yuk Ro Sa Dan---Yang Pyun Yuk Ro O Dan----Sal Chu Yuk Ro Yuk Dan--Choong Ro JCGet more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com --__--__-- Message: 4 From: "rwood" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 10:47:08 -0600 Subject: [The_Dojang] Cross Training and Self Defense Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Ladies and Gentleman, I was away from the Digesr for four days; boy they do pile up in the inbox. This post will cover some of the topics in the last eight posts. Cross training (CT): I agree with those who accept CT as a viable training tool. I am currently training in TKD (yes, I can hear the groaning and chuckling of the HKD, TSD, MDK, and the other “real” KM artists). Another aspect of CT is in the reverse engineering of the other guys/gals MA. The “founders” were looking for ways to defend themselves against other martial artists. So they, the “founders”, at the very least would need to understand the concept of the other guys/gals MA to design a system to counter it. In other words the “uke” would need to attack as the other martial artist would, imitating the strikes while the defender would counter with the MA being learned. We do it today every time the “uke” throws a haymaker punch, slashes with a mock knife, grabs a student, or sticks a mock firearm in a student’s back and says “gime da money”. Speaking of SD; yes we perform high spinning kicks in the Dojang and at tournaments. No we do not punch to the head in sparring, however nearly every SD drill we performed does. The first thing that gets drilled into our heads is the best defense is not being their. The post by the 58 year old that started the thread concerning SD and CT included a recounting of an attack that began in the stairwell with two thugs/punks. No disrespect intended, but how many bad decisions did the 58 year old guy make to end up in the stairwell with the thugs/punks? I know that TKD is lacking in ground skills and I know that most Barroom fights go to ground. I tend to stay away from Barrooms and/or situations that have the possibility of escalating into a Barroom fight (“don’t be there” philosophy). Our instructors, up to and including our Grandmaster teacher us that the best kick for SD is the low fast front kicks to ankles, knees and groin. SD situations are usually ambushes by criminals to perpetrate a criminal act (robbery, kidnapping, rape) and therefore need to be ended quickly. The intended victim needs to DD (disable and disengage) the attacker, decisively and quickly. The discussion on SD and CT seemed to center around the rightness on the individual offering their opinion. The discussions seemed to echo Republican vs. Democrat or Catholic vs. Protestant. I guess I can add another topic not to discuss at parties, MA styles. As a 5th Keup (1st Degree Blue Belt) I am just now starting to really understand the dynamics of TKD. I was having lunch with two of my instructors and we were discussing things martial arts. We came to a consensus that Bruce Lee is right when you take away tradition, history, national pride, and ego “a punch is a punch and a kick is a kick.” I don’t want to get so close to TKD that I can’t see the value of something else or so loosey goosey that I drop everything to chase after the “flavor of the month.” I guess Mr. Miyagi is still right “most important thing BALANCE.” IHS, Rob Wood He who ignores disciple comes to poverty and shame, but whoever heeds correction is honored. Proverbs 13:18 --__--__-- Message: 5 From: Ray Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Kicks - Holy Cow- This is a good discussion To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 10:06:43 -0800 (PST) Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > Perhaps I am wrong, but I think a lot of the early books and information > on TKD back in the 60's and 70's used Karate because people here (the > USA) understood Karate, and had no idea of TKD. When I started Son Duk > Son would tell me that TKD was NOT Karate but yet he used the name in a > book. Perhaps it was the publishers decision, or that it was like I > thought just something people understood. My first TKD instructor worked very hard to convince us that TKD was -NOT- Karate. This was some 15 or 20 years after the beginning of the big push to evolve TKD into something very different from Karate. Of course, by then TKD didn't look much like Karate so it was an easy line to sell to those w/o much background in the history of Korean martial arts. Many years later he finally did admit that TKD orginally came from Karate, but it was not an easy thing for him to say... and he would only say it in a low whisper.... shhh... This fellow is scheduled to receive his 9th Dan from the Kukkiwon later this year. Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 6 From: "Joseph Cheavens" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] Kicks/ Yk Ro Hyungs Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 13:23:13 -0600 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Good point WRT hip rotation and kicking. -------------------------------------------------------------------- From:  "Gladewater SooBahkDo" Reply-To:  the_dojang@martialartsresource.net To:  "the_dojang" Subject:  [The_Dojang] Kicks/ Yk Ro Hyungs Date:  Tue, 14 Mar 2006 10:37:35 -0800 >I have to disagree on the subject of kicks being the same. > >The one fact that can not be argued, is that physics describes Force as Mass >times Speed. A persons center of gravity is at the hips/waist. This means the >more weight or hip used the more power that can be dilivered. The use of hip >in kicking is a dramatic difference when I watch people demonstrate >TKD--SBD--and Karate-do kicks.  The thories of how power is dilivered is very >different. The short snapping kicks of traditional Karate-do use very little >hip, and Soo Bahk Do maximizes hip motition.  I don't say this to debate the >effectivness of each style only to say they are very different. > >I would also like to say to Mr. Clark. It is good to see you replied to my >last post with respect and tact. Also about the Yuk Ro Hyungs. My >understanding is that Hwang Kee KJN while translating the Kwon Bup section of >the MYDBTJ.  Organized the techniques he found into a Hyung format and created >the Yuk Ro Hyungs. The Hyungs do not in any way look like pyung ahn hyungs, >naihaji, chin-to, or any other Shotokan kata.  I have listed below some of the >techniques or methods used in the hyung, however I don't believe the hyungs >are in print, or video formats. The only way to get legitamate instruction on >them is from a Soo Bahk Do instructor, or best HC Hwang Kwan Jang Nm > >Hwak Kuk Kwon Do Kong Kyuk >Hwak Kuk Jang Kwon Do Kong Kyuk > >Hwak Kuk Jang Kap Kwon Kong Kyuk > >Do Mahl Sik--Paint, Smear, Rule Method > >Tago Sik--Beating, Drum Rule, method > >Po Wol Seh--Embracing, Moon, Force, (poise,Position) > >Yo Sik--Shake, Rule, method > >                     The Hyungs are Yuk Ro Cho Dan--Du Moon >                                           Yuk Ro E-   Dan--Joong Jul >                                           Yuk Ro Sam-Dam-Po Wol >                                           Yuk Ro Sa Dan---Yang Pyun >                                           Yuk Ro O Dan----Sal Chu >                                           Yuk Ro Yuk Dan--Choong Ro > >JCGet more from the Web.  FREE MSN Explorer download : >http://explorer.msn.com >_______________________________________________ >The_Dojang mailing list, 2,100 members >The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net >Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource >Standard disclaimers apply >http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang --__--__-- Message: 7 Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 11:52:20 -0800 From: "Ray Terry" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] ITF, new website version Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net It gives me great pleasure to announce that today we are launching the new version of the ITF Website. The site has been updated and improved for the use and enjoyment of our members and of cyber-visitors from around the world. The address of the Website has not changed. You will find it at www.itf-tkd.org and www.tkd-itf.org. The ITF leadership has made it a top priority to offer the high quality services its members need and want. In a recent ITF survey, a large majority of the National Association leaders indicated that they consider the ITF Website a strategic information tool that must continue to develop and improve. Your ITF team is well aware that you expect quality services and innovation, and I am sure you will agree that this new version of our Website delivers both. The new site has been designed to be more user-friendly and easier to navigate, allowing us to add content and making it more enjoyable for you to use. The number of ITF members is growing, and your ITF team is working to build a cohesive membership. Many changes have already been made: Now that more courses are offered in more locations, members have increased opportunities to learn and progress. There are more and better tournaments and many additional activities. And more changes are planned for the future. To reflect the growth and development of our organization, it is important that we continue to update and upgrade our Website regularly. Some new services will be offered. For example, holders of Instructor Certificate Plaques will receive personal access codes, giving them privileged access and the possibility of downloading technical and teaching materials. We are also planning to add a new program for our instructors: "Business Opportunities and Contracts for Teaching" in other countries. A special section for our younger members is in development. Following an invitation to submit proposals, the ITF Executive Committee chose Mr Witold Brzozowski of Poland as the new Webmaster of the ITF Website. We wish to thank him for engineering this updated site. He has put a lot of thought into the conception of the new Website and many hours of work. I would like to take this opportunity to thank Mr. Germain Painchaud and Mr. Fabien Chiret. They were instrumental in getting the first version of www.itf-tkd.org up and running, and they collaborated with our new Webmaster to ensure that the transition to the latest version proceeded smoothly. Mr. Jean-Marc Demers, Chair of the ITF Communications Committee and Editor-in-chief of the ITF Website, will continue to be responsible for the contents of the Website. You will recall that, according to By-Law No. 1, article 4.3 c), the Office of the President "is responsible for communications (media interviews, Web site, press releases; ITF News and other publications)", while articles 4.9.6 a) and b) state that the Communications Committee is responsible for developing, maintaining, and updating the Website. I am sure the new ITF Website will more than meet your expectations. As always, I welcome your comments and suggestions. Please send them to me at tran.tq@tkd-itf.org. Master Trân Trieu Quân --__--__-- Message: 8 From: "tkdtom" To: Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 15:03:32 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] Side kick - foot contact patch Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I too have enjoyed this thread but would like to ask about the part of the foot that makes contact with the opponent during the execution of a TKD side kick. Having been exposed to multiple instructors I have heard from some that the heal is the correct contact point of the kick while others claim the blade of the foot is to be used. My preference is to use the heal or bottom of the foot with emphasis on the heal portion as the point of contact. Opinions? Tom Kennelly 2nd Dan USCDKA 2nd Dan Combat Hapkido ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rick Clark" To: Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2006 10:18 AM Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] Kicks - Holy Cow- This is a good discussion > Hi Luther, > >>From: Luther Veuleman [mailto:charlie@tsdofla.com] > >> In my O so Very Humble and only 12 years in the arts, I think it is > tough to tell it apart. Some teacher always have >>their students throw it from a front stance, some switch it up and have > them throw it from fighting or back stances, some do >>both for variance. > > Performing a kick from different stances, leg back, leg forward, equal, > jumping, spinning, skipping, no matter what really does not make a > difference in the actual kick itself. A front kick has a basic > component, leg comes up, leg goes out, part of the foot makes contact > with your target. There will be some slight variation on the height of > your target, your flexibility, distance to target, is it a snap or > thrust, lots of little things. BUT the basic concept of a front kick is > the same. > > > > > Rick Clark > www.ao-denkou-kai.org > _______________________________________________ > The_Dojang mailing list, 2,100 members > The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource > Standard disclaimers apply > http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang --__--__-- Message: 9 Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 15:50:30 -0500 From: "Rick Clark" Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] Kicks/ Yk Ro Hyungs To: Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net >From: Gladewater SooBahkDo [mailto:gladewatersoobahkdo@msn.com] > >I have to disagree on the subject of kicks being the same. > >The one fact that can not be argued, is that physics describes >Force as Mass times Speed. A persons center of gravity is at >the hips/waist. This means the more weight or hip used the >more power that can be dilivered. The use of hip in kicking is >a dramatic difference when I watch people demonstrate >TKD--SBD--and Karate-do kicks. The thories of how power is >dilivered is very different. The short snapping kicks of >traditional Karate-do use very little hip, and Soo Bahk Do >maximizes hip motition. I don't say this to debate the >effectivness of each style only to say they are very different. As an example Shukokai Karate makes use of a lot of hip twist. In fact one of the things they talk about is a double hip twist with their punching and kicking techniques. Then the Shotokan I have been exposed to makes use a lot of hip action in their kicks and punches. Sure they do kick at times with less hip action as the situation demands, but then so do I. >>I would also like to say to Mr. Clark. It is good to see you >replied to my last post with respect and tact. Also about the >Yuk Ro Hyungs. My understanding is that Hwang Kee KJN while >translating the Kwon Bup section of the MYDBTJ. Organized the >techniques he found into a Hyung format and created the Yuk Ro >Hyungs. The Hyungs do not in any way look like pyung ahn >hyungs, naihaji, chin-to, or any other Shotokan kata. I have >listed below some of the techniques or methods used in the >hyung, however I don't believe the hyungs are in print, or >video formats. The only way to get legitamate instruction on >them is from a Soo Bahk Do instructor, or best HC Hwang Kwan Jang Nm Without seeing the forms the only thing I could do is give an uninformed opinion. But that does not stop me, or others at times, so with that in mind. I suspect no matter what the Yuk Ro forms look like they would have to have some similarity to some other system of martial arts. If you take what you know, or have been taught, or have seen, and then make up your own set of forms you do so based on previous knowledge. The only way around that is to be completely naďve of the martial arts and make up your own style. But even then I would wager you would find a similarity to other systems simply because the human body only works in prescribed ways and the targets you would attack art set just by human physiology and anatomy. Rick Clark www.ao-denkou-kai.org --__--__-- Message: 10 From: Ray Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Side kick - foot contact patch To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net (The_Dojang) Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 13:47:48 -0800 (PST) Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > I too have enjoyed this thread but would like to ask about the part of the > foot that makes contact with the opponent during the execution of a TKD side > kick. > > Having been exposed to multiple instructors I have heard from some that the > heal is the correct contact point of the kick while others claim the blade > of the foot is to be used. > > My preference is to use the heal or bottom of the foot with emphasis on the > heal portion as the point of contact. > > Opinions? The Kukkiwon website seems to indicate that both are ok... See http://www.kukkiwon.or.kr/eng/tkskill/kibon_skill_cha_1.asp?div=3 and http://www.kukkiwon.or.kr/eng/tkskill/kibon_skill_cha_3.asp?div=3 Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 11 Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 14:17:31 -0800 From: "Ray Terry" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] WTF Recruitment Notice Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net WTF Recruitment Notice March 14 As part of its efforts to enhance the international standing and efficiency, the World Taekwondo Federation plans to employ new personnel to the following positions: New Openings: - Director of the Marketing Division - One full-time staff - Two temporary staff with full-time working hours (female) Requirements: Director of the Marketing Division Age: between 40 and 50 Fluent in English More than 10 years of experience in marketing No problems traveling abroad One full-time staff Age: between 28 and 35 years Preferably bilingual in English and Korean Physical education graduates and/or taekwondo major preferred More than 600 TOEFL scores (800 TOEIC scores) No problems traveling abroad Two temporary staff with full-time working hours (female) Age: between 18 and 30 years Good in English Knowledgeable in MS Office Major function: receptionist and/or assistant to office worker Salary : Negotiable Depends on the credentials, job description and requirements of the respective positions. 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Kindly mail your job applications to the following address: Job Application Attn: General Affairs Division World Taekwondo Federation 5th Fl. Diplomatic Center, 1376-1 Seocho 2-dong, Seocho-gu, Seoul, Korea 137-863 E-mail: general4wtf@unitel.co.kr *Please note that the above address is before March 16. Job Application Attn: General Affairs Division World Taekwondo Federation 4th Fl., Joyang Building, 113 Samseong-dong, Gannam-gu, Seoul Korea 135-090 E-mail: general4wtf@unitel.co.kr *Please note that the above address is after March 17. If you need more information, please contact the General Affairs Division at (82-2) 566-2505 (extension 211, 207). --__--__-- Message: 12 Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 18:17:32 -0500 From: "Rick Clark" Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] Front Kicks & History To: Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Hi Dakin, >>I have no idea what the Yuk Ro Hyung look like but I suspect they have a lot in common with the Pyung-ahn forms. > >I don't think so Rick. I seem to recall that they looked more like kung-fu, which is not surprising given that they are >drawn from a book largely influenced by the Chinese, and since GM Hwang's original interest was Chinese kung-fu. I tried to >find descriptions on the web, but couldn't. Anybody got a URL on these? On this point it really does not matter much as no matter if the forms look Japanese, Okinawan, or Chinese. Hwang Kee took "something" and recreated forms to make them for his system. >The differences between physical techniques vanish pretty quickly, because if something works, other people start doing >it. If we look at books by Nakayama and then the original Hwarang do set, we can see a difference. Other differences >that Rick doesn't describe are that the thrust kick can be executed descending, ascending or linear. Also, the kick can >be executed with the rear leg extending (as in a fencing lunge, which I learned from a Kyokushin buddy) or sinking >(Taiji style application). Differences that persist are typically the result of the culture surrounding the technique. > If we emphasize "one strike, one kill" (Japanese) approach then our front kick will be very powerful, and only thrown >when there is a clear opportunity to hit, with more emphasis on hands. If we emphasize a continuous movement approach >(Korean), we will use a lot of feints and mix the front kick with angled snap kicks (my federation calls them half-moon >kicks and twist kicks -- I'm sure you have other names). I think Ray is talking about a more Japanese style when he talks >about "being 'grounded'." Sure you can have some different kicks, but I think I mentioned that you could do it with different legs forward, back, jump, skips, etc. and there could be any number or targets, in addition to thrust or snap kicks. So you will have a lot of variation on how kicks are delivered, but I really don't think it's a system thing. The leg will only go in a prescribed manner, unless you are weird. I really don't think it matters much which style a person practices if the kick is efficient it will probably look like the kick of someone else who executes an effective kick. >Ray then says: > >Are you saying that TKD does not look at "gripping the ground"? If that's the point you are making, I would have to >disagree, at least from the Chung Do Kwan I was taught. Perhaps the more modern approach is different than what I was >taught and practice. > >My reply: > >I don't know if you are like some of the old school Chung Do Kwan guys I've played with, but some of those guys who trained >with GM Son were VERY Japanese in their approach -- tensing up so much on each hit that they almost hopped as they did it. You will find that with the students of Son's group from the New York area. Those of us who were students of Koreans in Chung Do Kwan did not tense up the same way Son does (did). > >Rick: > >>But in all of the systems I have been taught, stability of the base leg for a kick was an important factor in the execution of any >kicking technique. > >Rick: > >>I think if you were to put 5 equally skilled individuals from 5 >different arts all doing a front snap kick, to the mid >section, from the rear leg - I really think it would be next >to impossible to distinguish what system each was representing. > >Me: > >A front snap kick to the midsection from the rear leg already identifies your approach as a Japanese one, Rick. Or is it Okinawan? :) I would have to disagree here. Take for example one of the traditional "signature" moves of Shotokan is a punch with the forward hand, lifting the front leg out of a front stance (without raising your height, or moving forward followed with a reverse punch. But be that as it may, I don't really thing you can say one style kicks off the front or back leg and that will identify the style. >But putting that aside, if you looked at how the person got to that kick and what their follow-up was, you >would certainly get a very good idea of their emphasis and perhaps even a clue to their lineage. Perhaps - but remember I said a "front kick". I did not go into other techniques, nor go into strategy or tactics. That can give you some indications, but just look at a front kick, or a side kick, or a punch . . . . . If it's an efficient technique it will be replicated in other systems. Rick Clark www.ao-denkou-kai.org --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang http://the-dojang.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/the_dojang Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and http://MartialArtsResource.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of The_Dojang Digest