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Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The Internet's premier discussion forum devoted to Korean Martial Arts. 2,100 members. See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of The_Dojang at http://MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! Today's Topics: 1. RE: Side kick - foot contact patch (Rick Clark) 2. Re: Side kick - foot contact patch (tkdtom) 3. Double hip twist. What is it??? (Christopher Spiller) 4. Re: Front Kicks & History (Ray) 5. RE: Side kick - foot contact patch (Rick Clark) 6. RE: Double hip twist. What is it??? (Rick Clark) 7. 37th Annual UC Open (Ray) --__--__-- Message: 1 Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 18:20:22 -0500 From: "Rick Clark" Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] Side kick - foot contact patch To: Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Hi Tom, >From: tkdtom [mailto:tkdtom@tekennelly.gotdns.com] >I too have enjoyed this thread but would like to ask about the >part of the >foot that makes contact with the opponent during the execution >of a TKD side >kick. > >Having been exposed to multiple instructors I have heard from >some that the >heal is the correct contact point of the kick while others >claim the blade >of the foot is to be used. > >My preference is to use the heal or bottom of the foot with >emphasis on the >heal portion as the point of contact. > >Opinions? My preference is the heel. I am not a fan of the blade of the foot, as that makes you ankle bend, a position you are in when you sprain your ankle. However, there are many styles out there that use the blade. Rick Clark www.ao-denkou.kai.org --__--__-- Message: 2 From: "tkdtom" To: Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Side kick - foot contact patch Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 18:54:59 -0500 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Yes, from those who use the blade I hear advice like positioning the blade between ribs for better rib breaking. I will never be so good as to do that so the blunt force trauma of a heel is the way for me. BTW does Karate emphasize blade over heel? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rick Clark" To: Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2006 6:20 PM Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] Side kick - foot contact patch > Hi Tom, > >>From: tkdtom [mailto:tkdtom@tekennelly.gotdns.com] >>I too have enjoyed this thread but would like to ask about the >>part of the >>foot that makes contact with the opponent during the execution >>of a TKD side >>kick. >> >>Having been exposed to multiple instructors I have heard from >>some that the >>heel is the correct contact point of the kick while others >>claim the blade >>of the foot is to be used. >> >>My preference is to use the heal or bottom of the foot with >>emphasis on the >>heel portion as the point of contact. >> >>Opinions? > > My preference is the heel. I am not a fan of the blade of the foot, as > that makes you ankle bend, a position you are in when you sprain your > ankle. However, there are many styles out there that use the blade. > > Rick Clark > www.ao-denkou.kai.org > _______________________________________________ > The_Dojang mailing list, 2,100 members > The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource > Standard disclaimers apply > http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang --__--__-- Message: 3 Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 16:00:41 -0800 (PST) From: Christopher Spiller To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Double hip twist. What is it??? Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Rick Clark said: "As an example Shukokai Karate makes use of a lot of hip twist. In fact one of the things they talk about is a double hip twist with their punching and kicking techniques." Master Clark, could you describe the concept of the "double hip twist", please? I have heard of it before but haven't been able to figure out *what* is meant by the term. Thanks in advance. Taekwon, Chris Wherever the Catholic sun doth shine, There's always laughter and good red wine. At least I've always found it so. Benedicamus Domino! -Hilaire Belloc __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com --__--__-- Message: 4 From: Ray Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Front Kicks & History To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 16:28:50 -0800 (PST) Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > Perhaps - but remember I said a "front kick". I did not go into other > techniques, nor go into strategy or tactics. That can give you some > indications, but just look at a front kick, or a side kick, or a punch . > . . . . If it's an efficient technique it will be replicated in other > systems. and frequently in a way that is slightly, yet noticeably different Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 5 Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 19:44:44 -0500 From: "Rick Clark" Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] Side kick - foot contact patch To: Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Hi Tom, >Yes, from those who use the blade I hear advice like positioning the blade between ribs for better rib breaking. I will never be so good >as to do that so the blunt force trauma of a heel is the way for me. > >BTW does Karate emphasize blade over heel? The blade of the foot kick is typically seen in the side snap kick, Yoko geri (Keage), the side thrust kick is known as Yoko Kekomi they tend to use the heel. But its not 100% and different styles will do things a bit different and it may vary from school to school. Anyway, on the side snap kick rather that picking up the foot and thrusting up and out. The snap kick is similar to a front snap kick in that the foot will travel in a more circular movement. It's hard to explain but with a side thrust kick you can stand next to a chair and pick you foot up and kick over the top of the chair. But if you were in the same distance from the chair your foot would come into contact with the back of the chair, so it sweeps upward. So, I would guess that most do make use of it to varying degrees. I have not seen in style of TKD teach the blade of the foot in a side kick. But that's not to say they don't as TKD has its roots in the Japanese and Okinawan systems. As an aside - I had a Korean tell me they taught that to the Japanese occupation forces as a way for them to break the foot of a Japanese who might attack a Korean. I was in my teens and believed everything he said - since then I believe about .0001% When you find out that as a group of people are not telling the truth in one area I tend to disbelieve other things they tell me. Once credibility is lost its very difficult to gain it back. Rick Clark www.ao-denkou.kai.org --__--__-- Message: 6 Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 19:48:39 -0500 From: "Rick Clark" Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] Double hip twist. What is it??? To: Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Hi Chris, >Rick Clark said: >"As an example Shukokai Karate makes use of a lot of hip twist. In fact one of the things they talk about >is a double hip twist with their punching and kicking techniques." > >Master Clark, could you describe the concept of the "double hip twist", please? I have heard of it before >but haven't been able to figure out *what* is meant by the term. Please, it's Rick . . . . It's rather hard for me to describe. But I watch my guys who have a background in Shukokai perform the technique, and it appears that they rotate the hip one direction, the opposite direction with the technique. I'll send a post to one of my guys and see if he will describe it and I'll send it back to the list. This guy, if he has the time, is very good at describing things. Rick Clark www.ao-denkou-kai.org --__--__-- Message: 7 From: Ray To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net (The_Dojang) Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 19:22:10 -0800 (PST) Subject: [The_Dojang] 37th Annual UC Open Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net 37th Annual UC Open TKD Chip April 15, 2006 UC Berkeley Haas Pavilion Berkeley, California Info and paperless registration at http://www.ucmap.org "...the 37th anniversary of the oldest official Taekwondo tournament in the country." --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang http://the-dojang.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/the_dojang Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and http://MartialArtsResource.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of The_Dojang Digest