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Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The Internet's premier discussion forum devoted to Korean Martial Arts. 2,100 members. See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of The_Dojang at http://MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! Today's Topics: 1. Sidekick (Rudy Timmerman) 2. Re: Master Dan regarding falls, kicks and self defense (jakskru) 3. Re: Looking for a good school in Cleveland (jakskru) 4. RE: Sidekick (michael tomlinson) 5. Re: Kicks (jakskru) --__--__-- Message: 1 To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net From: Rudy Timmerman Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 21:02:43 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] Sidekick Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Michael writes: > > Personally I use both... when I am using a quick jab type side > kick...especially the lead leg type I use the blade of the > foot...it seems > to be quicker to me then rolling over your hip that extra little > bit for the > heel impact...I think they are just two variations that are like two > different wrenchs in your tool box...sometime a half inch wrench is > needed > and sometimes you need a three eigths to get the job done. Hello Michael. Like you, I use both kicks and teach them as two separate kicks for different needs. I treat the blade of foot side kick as a jab (from the front leg only), and I teach that the heel (sole) of the foot is better suited for a job that requires (to withstand) greater impact. I do the same thing for the ball of the foot or top of the foot roundhouse, with the top of foot roundhouse used by the lead leg (more akin to a jab) and the ball of the foot for greater impact generated by a rear leg kick. IMHO, the top of the foot is not a viable option for absorbing high impact blows, as the small bones (and there are many) in that area are simply not able to withstand the impact that a rear leg kick could generate. Like the front toe kick, people today just do not condition their bodies to the same degree as folks who invented the kicks probably did (if one could ever condition the toes for a full power front kick from the rear leg). Rudy --__--__-- Message: 2 From: "jakskru" To: Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Master Dan regarding falls, kicks and self defense Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 22:30:16 -0500 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net this was an extremely well put post...thank you...though being 35 i was a little offended about the "age specific" & "softer" part---doesnt work for me, but then again, i am not your average 35 yr old as far as what kind of athletic or mental state i am in... as far as the breakfalling goes, i was taught that you were not allowed to do a throw or technique of any kind until the person you are working with can go with it...meaning that until they can comfortably do the proper breakfall. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dan Scholten" To: Sent: Wednesday, March 15, 2006 2:57 AM Subject: [The_Dojang] Master Dan regarding falls, kicks and self defense > FALLS: > > > > If you are over 30 and just starting out I would hope that your instructor > is teaching you first how to condition your body for the rest of your life > so that you can get in shape to get in shape which mean no injury if > possible. The best possible mats should be used and also age specific which > means softer thicker mats for young children and firmer mats for larger > heavier students. --__--__-- Message: 3 From: "jakskru" To: Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Looking for a good school in Cleveland Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 22:39:53 -0500 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net hello...i live in the cleveland area...try Kim's Martial Arts---cant say whether or not the forms are what you need, but the founders son is a "b" team olympic qualifier ( john kim)...also, i dont practice tkd, only hkd, but i have seen john and my uncle and nephew train with them...they have more than one school in the area...and i believe there is a website as well...they teach traditional and olympic, and have a childrens program. my teacher knows the family personally ( GM Mike Mignona, 7th Dan HKD). ----- Original Message ----- From: "Live Oak Martial Arts" To: Sent: Wednesday, March 15, 2006 11:07 AM Subject: [The_Dojang] Looking for a good school in Cleveland > Hello everybody, > > I have a couple of students (a father and 7 y.o. son) that are moving to the > East side of Cleveland, Ohio at the end of the month and are looking to > continue their training. They've been doing TKD with us at Live Oak Martial > Arts in Athens, GA, where we practice the Chon-Ji forms and Olympic style > sparring. It'd be easier for them (Green and Blue belts, respectively) to > slide into the same style, but I believe that a good teacher is more > important than doggedly sticking with a style. Anybody know of a good Dojang > up there? > > Also, a "tiny tots" program would be a plus, as they have another future > white belt coming up (she's pushing 3) > > Your's in Training, > > Jason Hughes > > > -- > Live Oak Martial Arts > Traditional and Olympic Tae Kwon Do > liveoakmartialarts.com > 706.548.0077 > Studio AB Chase Street Warehouses, #4 > 160 Tracy St. Athens GA > Mailing address: PO 67 Athens GA 30603 > _______________________________________________ > The_Dojang mailing list, 2,100 members > The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource > Standard disclaimers apply > http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang --__--__-- Message: 4 From: "michael tomlinson" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] Sidekick Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 03:39:48 +0000 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Rudy, Thanks for the extra info..that is good stuff that everyone should ponder over in their training IMHO,, the lead leg jab type kicks are great for self defense and they really get you in close and set you up for hand, and grabbing type attacks and combinations and they seem to be kind of overlooked these days... I totally agree with you on the top of the foot roundhouse and the ball of the foot roundhouse..that is exactly how I was taught by Y.J. Chung many moons ago.....IMHO loading up that roundhouse kick from the rear leg and aiming the top of your foot on a target is pretty dicey in regards to breaking your foot...I've seen it happen several times to people and I'm sure you've probably seen it much more than me......great advice for training and puts those kicks in perspective..thanks.. Michael Tomlinson >From: Rudy Timmerman >Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net >To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net >Subject: [The_Dojang] Sidekick >Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 21:02:43 -0500 > >Michael writes: >> >>Personally I use both... when I am using a quick jab type side >>kick...especially the lead leg type I use the blade of the foot...it >>seems >>to be quicker to me then rolling over your hip that extra little bit for >>the >>heel impact...I think they are just two variations that are like two >>different wrenchs in your tool box...sometime a half inch wrench is >>needed >>and sometimes you need a three eigths to get the job done. > >Hello Michael. Like you, I use both kicks and teach them as two separate >kicks for different needs. I treat the blade of foot side kick as a jab >(from the front leg only), and I teach that the heel (sole) of the foot is >better suited for a job that requires (to withstand) greater impact. I do >the same thing for the ball of the foot or top of the foot roundhouse, >with the top of foot roundhouse used by the lead leg (more akin to a jab) >and the ball of the foot for greater impact generated by a rear leg kick. >IMHO, the top of the foot is not a viable option for absorbing high impact >blows, as the small bones (and there are many) in that area are simply not >able to withstand the impact that a rear leg kick could generate. Like >the front toe kick, people today just do not condition their bodies to the >same degree as folks who invented the kicks probably did (if one could >ever condition the toes for a full power front kick from the rear leg). >Rudy >_______________________________________________ >The_Dojang mailing list, 2,100 members >The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net >Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource >Standard disclaimers apply >http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang --__--__-- Message: 5 From: "jakskru" To: Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Kicks Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 22:47:38 -0500 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net what kicks...all you know how to do is grapple...;) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jae Stulock" To: Sent: Wednesday, March 15, 2006 10:02 AM Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Kicks > All: > > I wish I could've "spoke" up earlier on this but I am just now getting to this discussion. I have trained in both the Okinawan form of Shorin-Ryu Karate and Korean Hapkido (mey han style). When I began the Hapkido study I had a strong background in Shorin Ryu Karate. My Hapkido instructor would chide me as "looking Japanese" while doing line drills with the other students. This would occur mainly while performing Dolrya Cha Ki (roundhouse) and Yup Cha Ki (side). I believe my roundhouse appeared different because of the concept of rooting that I developed in my Okinawan studies. --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang http://the-dojang.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/the_dojang Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and http://MartialArtsResource.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of The_Dojang Digest