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Yuk Ro Forms (Bruce Sims) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: Dcuster52@wmconnect.com Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 07:19:43 EST Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Foot Positioning To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net everyone is looking at the kick itself but consider the target also. Going for the throat, under the nose or knee I would probably tend to use the blade of the foot to catch the narrow target but for a solid body shot would definately opt for the heel. Doug --__--__-- Message: 2 From: Ray To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net (The_Dojang) Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 06:16:20 -0800 (PST) Subject: [The_Dojang] Choson period official dress Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Forwarding... If Henny says so I guess I must've said something about this once, but it's easier to repeat it than look up what I said. Yes, ChosOn dynasty court dress was identical with the court dress of the Ming dynasty, with the exception that the identical dress and emblems, etc. were two ranks (in the nine-rank scheme) lower in Korea. That is, the court dress of a Rank I (the highest rank) ChosOn official was identical to that of a Rank III official at the Ming court. This means that the last two ChosOn ranks, VIII and IX, had distinctive Korean designs. When Korean official embassies reached the area just outside the Chaoyang (East) Gate of Peking, they changed into their formal court dress and marched in a procession into the city and through the streets to their residence. It is said that those Chinese who still nourished pro-Ming (and therefore anti-Manchu) sentiments would come to secretely enjoy the spectacle. There are many stories in embassy diaries and other casual literature about emotional scenes with Chinese begging to touch, or even briefly wear, the Korean formal clothing. Other than this, the only permitted display of Ming dress that was permitted in Qing China was in the theatre, since the Peking Opera was essentially a Ming institution, and the historical character of the stories made the dress of earlier dynasties appropriate. One consequence of this is that when Korean officials went through the streets of the capital on their business, less sophisticated spectators would point and say, "Look! Actors!" Gari Ledyard --__--__-- Message: 3 From: "Erik Brann" To: Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] Hwa Rang Code compared to Bushido Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 11:23:07 -0500 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Here's one way I marked it up. I'll do one with separate -----Original Message----- From: Erik Brann [mailto:erikbrann@adelphia.net] Sent: Friday, March 03, 2006 6:50 PM To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] Hwa Rang Code compared to Bushido Thank you! I appreciate the info. If you'd be so kind, send me the images, I'll Photoshop them and send them back as gifs or jpegs. I'll also put them up on http://koreanschoolskarate.tripod.com I apologize for the ads, but it's a free site. -----Original Message----- From: Samurai Latino [mailto:samurai_latino@yahoo.com] Sent: Friday, March 03, 2006 4:08 PM To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] Hwa Rang Code compared to Bushido If you don't mind, I would like to receive a copy of that file. I study Tang Soo Do and we use these codes along with the 7 tenets. Sincerely, Rafael Amill Choson Martial Arts Sierra Vista, AZ 85635 www.geocities.com/samurai_latino/Choson_Main_Page.html Joseph Cheavens wrote: The Hwarrang had a code of five principles: Loyalty (to country), Filial Piety (respect for one's elders), Friendship (amongst equals), Compassion (for those below you), and Righteousness (in action). The Ji Do Kwan dojang where I first studied had these in engraved in Chinese characters on a large wooden signboard at the head of the class that we learned as our code of conduct. I made a similar signboard for the dojang where I trained in Hawai'i. If you like, I can send you an attachment with a version I just did in Paint. I can't draw very well with a mouse, so its pretty sloppy. Joe Cheavens __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list, 2,100 members The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list, 2,100 members The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang --__--__-- Message: 4 From: "Erik Brann" To: Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] Hwa Rang Code compared to Bushido Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 11:41:02 -0500 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Sorry Outlook sent the message before I could put the URLS in http://koreanschoolskarate.tripod.com/hwarangdovirtues.htm http://koreanschoolskarate.tripod.com/hwarangdo.htm First one is all separate images, second is a single image -----Original Message----- From: Erik Brann [mailto:erikbrann@adelphia.net] Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2006 11:23 AM To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] Hwa Rang Code compared to Bushido Here's one way I marked it up. I'll do one with separate -----Original Message----- From: Erik Brann [mailto:erikbrann@adelphia.net] Sent: Friday, March 03, 2006 6:50 PM To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] Hwa Rang Code compared to Bushido Thank you! I appreciate the info. If you'd be so kind, send me the images, I'll Photoshop them and send them back as gifs or jpegs. I'll also put them up on http://koreanschoolskarate.tripod.com I apologize for the ads, but it's a free site. -----Original Message----- From: Samurai Latino [mailto:samurai_latino@yahoo.com] Sent: Friday, March 03, 2006 4:08 PM To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] Hwa Rang Code compared to Bushido If you don't mind, I would like to receive a copy of that file. I study Tang Soo Do and we use these codes along with the 7 tenets. Sincerely, Rafael Amill Choson Martial Arts Sierra Vista, AZ 85635 www.geocities.com/samurai_latino/Choson_Main_Page.html Joseph Cheavens wrote: The Hwarrang had a code of five principles: Loyalty (to country), Filial Piety (respect for one's elders), Friendship (amongst equals), Compassion (for those below you), and Righteousness (in action). The Ji Do Kwan dojang where I first studied had these in engraved in Chinese characters on a large wooden signboard at the head of the class that we learned as our code of conduct. I made a similar signboard for the dojang where I trained in Hawai'i. If you like, I can send you an attachment with a version I just did in Paint. I can't draw very well with a mouse, so its pretty sloppy. Joe Cheavens __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list, 2,100 members The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list, 2,100 members The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list, 2,100 members The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang --__--__-- Message: 5 From: Ray Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Choson period official dress To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 09:36:45 -0800 (PST) Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > ... Yes, ChosOn > dynasty court dress was identical with the court dress of the Ming > dynasty, with the exception that the identical dress and emblems, > etc. were two ranks (in the nine-rank scheme) lower in Korea. That > is, the court dress of a Rank I (the highest rank) ChosOn official > was identical to that of a Rank III official at the Ming court. > This means that the last two ChosOn ranks, VIII and IX, had > distinctive Korean designs. One wonders if the 9 dan/rank system so common in the KMAs then comes from China and the Ming...??? Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 6 Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 09:42:36 -0800 From: "Ray Terry" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] US National Team to Compete in Dutch Open Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net U.S. Taekwondo National Team to Compete in Dutch Open, March 18-19 March 15, 2006 The 16-member USA Taekwondo Senior National Team will participate in this weekend's Dutch Open in Eindhoven, Netherlands, March 18-19. The event features over 1,200 competitors from 50 countries, including 35 national teams from the likes of Azerbaijan, Croatia, Denmark, Egypt, France, Germany, Netherlands, Spain and Turkey. It also marks a new approach by USA Taekwondo. "For the first time in the history of American Taekwondo the team will compete in an international open as a National Team representing the USA," said National Team Coach Juan Moreno. "This is an historical step." Competing for the U.S. men's team will be finweight Luis Reyes (Northridge, Calif.), flyweight Tim Thackrey (Tarzana, Calif.), bantamweight Brian Gallagher (Littleton, Colo.), featherweight Mark Lopez (Sugar Land, Texas), lightweight Chris Martinez (Houston, Texas), welterweight Steven Lopez (Sugar Land, Texas), middleweight Antony Graf (Miami, Fla.) and heavyweight Stephen Lambdin (Hurst, Texas). The U.S. women's team is finweight Mandy Meloon (Sugar Land, Texas), flyweight Simone DeVito (Corlandt, N.Y.), bantamweight Eleni Koutsilianos (Astoria, N.Y.), featherweight Diana Lopez (Sugar Land, Texas), lightweight Nia Abdallah (Houston, Texas), welterweight Simona Hradil (Winnetka, Calif.), middleweight Sanaz Shahbazi (Colorado Springs, Colo.), and heavyweight Lauren Cahoon (Miami, Fla.). "This upcoming trip to the Dutch Open is going to be a great experience for everyone," said first-time Senior National Team member Simone DeVito. "There are so many talented athletes at this competition that we all must be fully prepared for high-level matches. It is an honor to be a part of such a prestigious group of people that represent the USA. My expectations for the upcoming trip are certainly to win a gold medal, but to also gain more knowledge and experience." Immediately following the Dutch Open, the U.S. Team will travel to Paris to take part in a joint training camp exchange with the French National Team at the French Olympic Training Center. "An exchange program with the French National Team should prove to be a great experience for all of our athletes," said Moreno. "For the new kids on the block, it will put them 'under fire' so to speak, and for the veterans it will give them a chance to gain a little bit of an insight as to what is needed to take their performances to the next level." The U.S. team will be led by National Team Coaches Moreno and Jean Lopez, and by Team Leader Scott Novack. "The bottom line is for the U.S. Team to be the best in the world," Moreno added. "Getting to that podium can be very elusive, but competing with the best and then getting a chance to train with one of the premier teams in Europe is going to be a great start." --__--__-- Message: 7 Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 09:44:34 -0800 From: "Ray Terry" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] USAT sanctioned events Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net USAT Sanctioned Events ---------------------------------------- 2nd Las Vegas Taekwondo Championships Las Vegas Convention Center 3150 Paradise Road Las Vegas, Nevada 89109 August 3-6, 2006 Contact: Chang Kil Kim Email: us@lasvegasopen.us Website: www.lasvegasopen.us Pan American International Taekwondo Championships William Rainey Harper College 1200 West Algonquin Rd. Palatine, IL 60067-7398 August 10-13, 2006 Contact: Kun Yoo Park Phone: 503-319-7393 Website: http://www.parkinstitutetkd.com/ 5th International Friendship Taekwondo Championship Oregon Convention Center 777 NE Martin Luther King Jr. Blvd. Portland, Ore. 97232 Oct. 6-7, 2006 Contact: Scott Stickle (503) 820-2234 Website: www.IOFTC.org Maui International Taekwondo Championship 1580 Ka'ahumanu Ave. Wailiki, HI 46793 Nov. 11-12, 2006 Contact: Kathryn Kiffmann Email: kiffmanntkd@hawaii.rr.com Website: www.mauiinternationaltkd.com/ --__--__-- Message: 8 Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 13:29:30 -0500 From: "Live Oak Martial Arts" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Grand Celestial Do Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net This has got to be good, right? http://cosmicfighting.atspace.com/ --Jason Hughes -- Live Oak Martial Arts Traditional and Olympic Tae Kwon Do liveoakmartialarts.com 706.548.0077 Studio AB Chase Street Warehouses, #4 160 Tracy St. Athens GA Mailing address: PO 67 Athens GA 30603 --__--__-- Message: 9 From: Ray To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net (The_Dojang) Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 10:55:20 -0800 (PST) Subject: [The_Dojang] muay thai vs. ITF Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Interesting fight between an ITF guy and a muay thai guy. For some reason the ITF fellow seems to be fighting WTF, hands down. Either way his legs take a beating... http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5585460401345378983&q=Kung+Fu+vs.+tkd Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 10 From: Ray To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net (The_Dojang) Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 11:04:52 -0800 (PST) Subject: [The_Dojang] snip from Inayan RKD Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Snip from Mike Inay's RKD video... This is essentially demoing the (Dennis) Tueller Drill. http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1459052511793821456&q=inay Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 11 From: Ray To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net (The_Dojang) Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 12:35:08 -0800 (PST) Subject: [The_Dojang] 9th World Univ Chip Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net 9th World University Taekwondo Championship Valencia, Spain http://www.eventosuv.com/ Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 12 Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 15:48:40 -0500 From: "Rick Clark" Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] Choson period official dress To: Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Hi Ray, I don't think there is any way the Korean rank system came from China. The Kyu/Dan system is something that was well established in Japan, most think from Judo. However, Kyu/Dan is also used in things like flower arranging as well as the board game of "Go". In the 17th century Dosaku (1645-1702) a grand master of the board game "Go" introduced the kyu/dan system as a method of handicapping the game. Prof. Kano has been credited with the introduction of the kyu/dan system in the martial arts, but this was not a new idea in Japanese culture. If you are interested I have an article that may be interesting. http://ao-denkou-kai.org/von_baelz.htm Rick Clark "I am not young enough to know everything." - Oscar Wilde www.ao-denkou-kai.org >-----Original Message----- >From: Ray [mailto:rterry@idiom.com] > >> ... Yes, ChosOn >> dynasty court dress was identical with the court dress of the Ming >> dynasty, with the exception that the identical dress and >emblems, etc. >> were two ranks (in the nine-rank scheme) lower in Korea. >That is, the >> court dress of a Rank I (the highest rank) ChosOn official was >> identical to that of a Rank III official at the Ming court. >This means >> that the last two ChosOn ranks, VIII and IX, had distinctive Korean >> designs. > >One wonders if the 9 dan/rank system so common in the KMAs then comes >from China and the Ming...??? > >Ray Terry Rick Clark www.ao-denkou-kai.org --__--__-- Message: 13 From: "Gladewater SooBahkDo" To: "the_dojang" Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 14:53:35 -0800 Subject: [The_Dojang] Yuk Ro Hyungs Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net As a Soo Bahk Do instructor I can say that number 1, 2, and 3 of the Yuk Ro Hyungs are in Volume 2 of the Grandmaster text. I learned all six hyungs from my instructor Kris Poole Sa Bom Nim. I have had instruction from many ther seniors in the Moo Duk Kwan. Some were TAC members, and I have been in many clinics including the Week long Ko Dan Ja where HC Hwan KJN himself instructed the hyungs that his father Hwang Kee created. With this said, I have also seen some poor attempts to demonstrate the hyungs by people not in the Moo Duk Kwan. FWIW: Ray mentioned the meaning of 1 thru 3. Number 4 Yang Pyun is High Whipping Number 5 Sal Chu is Killing Hammer/Mase Number 6 Choong Ro is Reach and Sieze These are loose traslations, I dd not want to go into a lot of detail. JCGet more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com --__--__-- Message: 14 Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 12:53:44 -0800 (PST) From: Bruce Sims To: Ray Terry Subject: [The_Dojang] Yuk Ro Forms Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net "....Yuk Ro Cho Dan, E Dan and Sam Dan are all readily available in Tang Soo Do Moo Duk Kwan Volume 2, Hwang Kee, 1992. ISBN 0-9631358-0-5. Yuk Ro cho dan was origianlly named Du Mun, aka Great Gate. E dan was Joong Jol, meaning cutting the middle. And sam dan was Po Wol, meaning embrace the moon....." Thanks Ray, but I have to tell you that this is where I start getting confused. I have in my possession TANG SOO DO (SOO BAHK DO) by Hwang Kee. (can't seem to locate an ISBN). The title page indicates that it is copyrighted in 1992. The same page also says that it was "first printed in English, February, 1978". When I was first seeking this book I ran across a number of books, some of which were keyed into specific ranks (gueps) and were identified with particular colored belts. As I was reading the various comments about the books available I seemed to understand that there was a kind of "masterwork" and then the TANGSOODO organization apparently took that original master book and divided it into 5 separate volumes. The focus of my research is, of course, the MU YEI TOBO TONG JI so resources that would provide the greatest amount of insight into Hwang Kee's writings in this regard, including the YUK RO hyung would be very much appreciated. Anyone? Best Wishes, Bruce --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang http://the-dojang.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/the_dojang Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and http://MartialArtsResource.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of The_Dojang Digest