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RE: Grand Celestial Do (Julie Howard) 12. 2008 Olympics (Ray Terry) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: "Richard Thompson" To: Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] RE: Grand Celestial Do Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 23:25:50 -0600 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net We are all masters in GCD. We just took it in another dimension and don't want to be redundant :) It said on the site, even if they fight and lose, they really won in another dimension and won. How do they know they didn't lose in all the other universes :) Be safe and practice hard ----- Original Message ----- From: "michael tomlinson" To: Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2006 8:49 PM Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] RE: Grand Celestial Do > Dude after reading that website I'm gonna sign off and go take a shower....I > feel mentally dirty!!! How can there be so much bullshit without any bull??? > > Michael Tomlinson > > > >From: "Jason Thomas (Y!)" > >Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > >To: > >Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] RE: Grand Celestial Do > >Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 19:42:24 -0600 > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: michael tomlinson [mailto:tomlinson_michael@hotmail.com] > >Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2006 7:21 PM > >To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > >Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] RE: Grand Celestial Do > > > > >that is some of the most ridiculous stuff I've ever read...what's > > >worse....THERE WERE A WHOLE BUNCH OF PEOPLE WORKING OUT!!! Dang > >sometimes > > >I really don't get it??? > > > >I found it's only rivaled by: http://www.lethalo.com/pages/1/index.htm > > > >Jason > >_______________________________________________ > >The_Dojang mailing list, 2,100 members > >The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net > >Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource > >Standard disclaimers apply > >http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang > _______________________________________________ > The_Dojang mailing list, 2,100 members > The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource > Standard disclaimers apply > http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang --__--__-- Message: 2 From: "Joseph Cheavens" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] Choson period official dress Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 07:56:20 -0600 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I always thought that there were no 10th dans in TKD because that would necessitate agreement between all of the 9th dans on who was deserving of 10th dan and that given the somewhat volatile nature of Korean politics in general and TKD politics in particular, such an agreement is about as likely snow in Seoul in August. Joe Cheavens -------------------------------------------------------------------- From:  "Rick Clark" Reply-To:  the_dojang@martialartsresource.net To:   Subject:  RE: [The_Dojang] Choson period official dress Date:  Thu, 16 Mar 2006 17:28:08 -0500 >Hi Ray, > > >From: Ray [mailto:rterry@idiom.com] > > > >> I don't think there is any way the Korean rank system came > >from China. > >> The Kyu/Dan system is something that was well established in Japan, > >> most think from Judo. > > > >My comment was not so much about the dan system, but about 9 > >ranks instead > >of 10 as seen in many other arts. > > > >Ray Terry > >Ah.....I had a Korean tell me that the reason they only went to 9 was >that that was the last number that was a single digit.  But that did not >make sense, as they would have been using Chinese characters when they >write not what we do. Then I was told that a Korean 1st dan was really >the same as a Japanese 2nd dan. . . . . But to tell you the truth I >really think they used the 9 was simply way to make the Korean different >than the Japanese. > > >Rick Clark   "I am not young enough to know everything." - Oscar Wilde > > >www.ao-denkou-kai.org >_______________________________________________ >The_Dojang mailing list, 2,100 members >The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net >Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource >Standard disclaimers apply >http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang --__--__-- Message: 3 From: "Joseph Cheavens" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] RE: Grand Celestial Do Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 08:01:13 -0600 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Hmm, makes me wonder if the Tengu that supposedly taught Yoshitsune were really space aliens. [IMAGE] Joe Cheavens -------------------------------------------------------------------- From:  "Stovall, Craig" Reply-To:  the_dojang@martialartsresource.net To:   Subject:  [The_Dojang] RE: Grand Celestial Do Date:  Thu, 16 Mar 2006 16:43:39 -0600 ><<>> > > > >People like this need to be culled in order to protect the integrity of >the gene pool.  Makes you wonder. > > > >I love the part where it says some other dude will be teaching classes >while Grandmaster is away to the Orion System. > > > >Pretty harmless except for the fact that people like this drag the >overall perception of martial arts down with them.  Screw it...they need >some sense knocked into them.  Somebody call Chuck Norris. >_______________________________________________ >The_Dojang mailing list, 2,100 members >The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net >Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource >Standard disclaimers apply >http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang --__--__-- Message: 4 Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] Choson period official dress Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 09:01:35 -0500 From: "Woodard Brian (ChP/TEF8)" To: Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net What I always heard was that ten was a number that represented perfection and they stopped at nine to say that even at 9th there still is refining work/creativity within the art; and that 10th was reserved as a post humus honorary rank. Just something I overheard GM ranks state at a tournament. FWIW Best Regards, Brian Woodard -----Original Message----- From: Rick Clark [mailto:rick.aodenkou@verizon.net] Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2006 5:28 PM To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] Choson period official dress Hi Ray, >From: Ray [mailto:rterry@idiom.com] > >> I don't think there is any way the Korean rank system came >from China. >> The Kyu/Dan system is something that was well established in Japan, >> most think from Judo. > >My comment was not so much about the dan system, but about 9 >ranks instead >of 10 as seen in many other arts. > >Ray Terry Ah.....I had a Korean tell me that the reason they only went to 9 was that that was the last number that was a single digit. But that did not make sense, as they would have been using Chinese characters when they write not what we do. Then I was told that a Korean 1st dan was really the same as a Japanese 2nd dan. . . . . But to tell you the truth I really think they used the 9 was simply way to make the Korean different than the Japanese. Rick Clark "I am not young enough to know everything." - Oscar Wilde www.ao-denkou-kai.org _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list, 2,100 members The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang --__--__-- Message: 5 From: "Joseph Cheavens" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] Spam from Julian H. Forbes Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 08:05:48 -0600 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I must not be a real martial artist, then, because I don't think they even bothered to spam me. I am so sad. [IMAGE]  OK, I'm over it now. [IMAGE][IMAGE] -------------------------------------------------------------------- From:  Ray Reply-To:  the_dojang@martialartsresource.net To:  the_dojang@martialartsresource.net (The_Dojang) Subject:  [The_Dojang] Spam from Julian H. Forbes Date:  Thu, 16 Mar 2006 15:08:09 -0800 (PST) >Thought this was funny and had to share... > >Someone named Julian H. Forbes has been spamming people on this list and >other lists.  I asked that it stop and received the following reply from >his "PR Department". > >"We will not indulge your ignorant debate nor are we intimidated by threats >made by those of little knowledge regarding accusations which can easily be >proven untrue. Given the incredible worldwide response we have received >from the biggest names and organizations in the martial arts we feel >confident that you and your "others"  will find solace together under the >rock you call home and will never have to suffer crossing our path." > >Had to laugh... > >Isn't it great when people spam you and then claim that it isn't really >spam because were you a REAL martial artist you would be interested in >what they have to offer. > >Ray Terry >rterry@idiom.com >_______________________________________________ >The_Dojang mailing list, 2,100 members >The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net >Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource >Standard disclaimers apply >http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang --__--__-- Message: 6 From: "Don Kirsch" To: "the_dojang" Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 08:10:24 -0800 Subject: [The_Dojang] RE: Grand Celestial Do Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Wow, I can't believe I wasted my time reading far enough to find this but I was impressed by a couple of things with the Grand Celestial Do system... $500.00 per month tuition! (I just have to drive to Jackson, MS to train with my Master, I guess gas to the Orion system can get pretty expensive) and one of the satellite classes (pun intended) was held at the Cheetah's gentleman's club. That's an incentive to make an old standup HapKiDo guy want to stay on the ground for ground grappling. There really is a MA system to fit the needs of every individual...all joking aside somebody get their x-ray gun out and sap this guy. Regards, Don Kirsch --__--__-- Message: 7 From: "Joseph Cheavens" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] RE: Grand Celestial Do Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 08:12:31 -0600 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Holy bovine feces, Batman!  Only $49.99 and four hours of training and I too can become one of the most elite and deadly martial artists in the world. I reall have been wasting time and money all these years studying traditional martial arts. I'm going to run right out and buy my copy today!  This is worse than the adds that used to run in the backs of comic books. -------------------------------------------------------------------- From:  "Jason Thomas (Y!)" Reply-To:  the_dojang@martialartsresource.net To:   Subject:  RE: [The_Dojang] RE: Grand Celestial Do Date:  Thu, 16 Mar 2006 19:42:24 -0600 >-----Original Message----- >From: michael tomlinson [mailto:tomlinson_michael@hotmail.com] >Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2006 7:21 PM >To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net >Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] RE: Grand Celestial Do > > >that is some of the most ridiculous stuff I've ever read...what's > >worse....THERE WERE A WHOLE BUNCH OF PEOPLE WORKING OUT!!!  Dang sometimes > >I really don't get it??? > >I found it's only rivaled by:  http://www.lethalo.com/pages/1/index.htm > >Jason >_______________________________________________ >The_Dojang mailing list, 2,100 members >The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net >Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource >Standard disclaimers apply >http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang --__--__-- Message: 8 To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net From: Rudy Timmerman Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 09:32:48 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] Three Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Rick writes: > Ah.....I had a Korean tell me that the reason they only went to 9 was > that that was the last number that was a single digit. Many years ago, I was told that the number three is a "special" number in the Orient. We find this not only in Oriental places, but we also have the trinity philosophy in the Western world. The number nine, being three times three, would then be the highest of this special number; hence, this was the number of dahns adopted. Rudy --__--__-- Message: 9 From: Ray Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Choson period official dress To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 06:53:47 -0800 (PST) Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > I always thought that there were no 10th dans in TKD because that would > necessitate agreement between all of the 9th dans on who was deserving of > 10th dan and that given the somewhat volatile nature of Korean politics > in general and TKD politics in particular, such an agreement is about as > likely snow in Seoul in August. Within the last few years there are now a handful or two of TKD 10th Dans. Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 10 From: Ray Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Three To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net (The_Dojang) Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 07:07:00 -0800 (PST) Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > Rick writes: > > Ah.....I had a Korean tell me that the reason they only went to 9 was > > that that was the last number that was a single digit. > > Many years ago, I was told that the number three is a "special" > number in the Orient. We find this not only in Oriental places, but > we also have the trinity philosophy in the Western world. The number > nine, being three times three, would then be the highest of this > special number; hence, this was the number of dahns adopted. Rudy A blast from the past, see below... As Rudy mentions, the number three holds, or has held, a special significance in a great many of the world's cultures over the ages. I always liked the 3x3 reason, too. But as a former math person it would seem that 3x3x3 would hold the greatest significance in a culture impressed with threes. Ray "27th Dan" Terry :) --------------------------------------- From: Ray Terry Date: Sun, 6 Jun 1999 17:08:26 -0700 (PDT) Subject: the_dojang: Importance of 3 in the Korean Culture It was originally just explained to me that three was very important in the Korean culture because the number three was indicative of earth, man, and the heavens. But I wanted to find a little something more given that this view has been challenged by some in the past, so I went to the very interesting Korea Insights website (http://korea.insights.co.kr). An excellent resource on the Korean culture provided by the Samsung Foundation of Culture. One of the items documented there is "3 in Korea". The following is quoted directly: "Koreans have always had a special attachment for the number three. This sottae (graphic of a wooden post with 3 wooden ducks mounted on the top is omitted here), one of the many 'spirit posts' found at the entrance to rural villages across the country, is topped by three ducks, symbolizing prosperity and fertility as well as agrarian society's affinity for water. The number three has had profound significance since ancient times. Koreans have long believed that the harmonious balance of three elements -- the heavens, earth and human energy -- essential to all existence, and Koreans' affinity for the number remains powerful today." "Korean thought and religion is replete with threes, symbolizing completion and perfection. Tan'gun, Korean's mythical founder, was a triune figure, simultaneously a creator, teacher and temporal ruler. Buddhism centers around the trinity of the Buddha, his teachings and the Buddhist community. The number also figures prominently in folks belief. For example, when a son is born, the kumjul, or 'forbidding rope' hung across the gate of the house, is decorated with three red peppers and three pieces of charcoal." "In traditional society, children were expected to mourn their parents for three years after their death. Today most funerals are held three days after death, and three bows before the memorial alter are standard at rites paying homage to ancestors." "Much of Korea's traditional music follows a three-beat rhythm, and Korean food revolves around the three condiments: soy sauce, bean paste and red pepper paste. Many of the spirits found in folks religions come in threes, as do the decorations worn with the national costume, hanbok. In fact, it is difficult to find an aspect of Korean life that does not feature the number three." In addition, in the website's item describing "T'aeguk, the Supreme Ultimate. ... the three-part t'aeguk symbolizes the heaven, earth and humanity. Each part is separate but the three parts exist in unity and are equal in value. As the yin and yang of the Supreme Ultimate merge and make a perfect circle, so do heaven, earth and humanity create the universe. Therefore the Supreme Ultimate and the three-part t'aeguk both symbolize the universe." --__--__-- Message: 11 From: "Julie Howard" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 09:39:12 -0600 Subject: [The_Dojang] RE: Grand Celestial Do Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Boy do I feel silly for actually WORKING at learning a martial art. Apparently, if I can hit the right "high-pitched moan" I can tap into the energy in space and be invincible! Guess that's why it costs $450-700 / month for 4-6 hours of class per week.  I can't believe some people actually PAY for this garbage!!!!!  I'm not sure how some people live with themselves while cheating others so badly.  Just my opinion... Julie H. ><<>> >I love the part where it says some other dude will be teaching classes >while Grandmaster is away to the Orion System.   --__--__-- Message: 12 Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 07:58:57 -0800 From: "Ray Terry" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] 2008 Olympics Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net BOCOG invites applications for 180 jobs (BEIJING, March 16) -- The Beijing Organizing Committee for the Games of the XXIX Olympiad (BOCOG) announced today that it openly invites applications for a total of 180 office vacancies, including 120 management posts and 60 specialized technical posts. The announcement was made by BOCOG Executive Vice-President Li Binghua at a press conference in Beijing Olympic Press Center. According to the recruitment notice, the management posts include 2 section chiefs and 5 deputy chiefs, 55 project managers, 57 project assistants and 3 project officers, while technical posts include 4 third degree project experts, 33 fourth degree project experts, 21 fifth degree project planners and 2 sixth degree project planners. The recruitment is open to all Chinese nationals including those Chinese studying abroad. The application deadline is March 30. All applicants are required to undergo examinations of written and oral English, as well as of comprehensive and specialized subjects. BOCOG will entrust an authoritative agency with the examinations. Employment will be on the basis of competitive selection. In late June, final selection results will be announced for public comment and employment will follow accordingly. Those people, who did not find suitable jobs from BOCOG offer or missed the chance for other reasons, may enter their names at the BOCOG official website www.beijing2008.com. BOCOG will in the future choose qualified people from the reserved list and pick suitable persons through examination according to practical needs and requirements of the vacant posts. In a related notice, BOCOG informed the applicants that there are 13 job vacancies offered by Qingdao Sailing Sub-Committee, which deals with applications. Its website is www.sailing2008.com. BOCOG information: Information telephone: 010-66691342, 010-66691343 e-mail: zhaopin@beijing-Olympic.org.cn Supervision telephone: 010-66698127 e-mail: jiandu2008@beijing-Olympic.org.cn Backgrounder In 2006, the focus, organizational structure and operational mode of BOCOG's preparatory work for Beijing Olympiad will aim at the Games-time needs in 2008. As the work to set up managing teams for various competition venues has been started and demand for talented and dedicated people is growing, BOCOG welcomes all interested individuals to actively take on the job opportunities. This is the third round that BOCOG recruits staff through public notification. In 2002 and 2004, a total of 81 staff were employed among as many as 6,000 applicants. Upon assuming office, these new staff have played an important role in Olympic preparations. Some of them have become the back-bone of their departments. Apart from the recruitment drive, BOCOG also conducted routine employment in the past, taking in a number of outstanding people from universities and the society at large. Another channel to bring in new blood is the joining of talented people of Beijing Olympic partners, based on the experience of the previous Olympic host-cities. As a result of the above-mentioned efforts, BOCOG has established a reasonably-structured and high quality working staff that are young and knowledge-equipped. There are 629 BOCOG staff members, aging 34.6 years in average. Of them, 602 or 95.7 percent are graduate, 292 or 46.4 percent are post-graduate (15 of them with a doctor's degree). BOCOG is entrusted with the heavy task to manage the preparations and staging for 2008 Games. The number of its staff is expected to rise to around 4,000 in 2008 when the Olympics is held. --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang http://the-dojang.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/the_dojang Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and http://MartialArtsResource.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of The_Dojang Digest