Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 18:29:17 -0800 From: the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: The_Dojang digest, Vol 13 #146 - 13 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: kma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: The Internet's premier discussion forum on Korean Martial Arts. 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Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The Internet's premier discussion forum devoted to Korean Martial Arts. 2,100 members. See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of The_Dojang at http://MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! Today's Topics: 1. Re: use (Beungood8@aol.com) 2. Re: knuckle push ups (Jye nigma) 3. Ray Terry Is A Dangerous Guy (Luther Veuleman) 4. hand training (freddie bishop) 5. Questions (Dana Yeagley) 6. Re: disarms (WTSDA Bruce) 7. Re: hand training (Ray) 8. Re: Ray Terry Is A Dangerous Guy (Ray) 9. grip exercises (michael tomlinson) 10. WTF TV (Ray Terry) 11. Re: video clips: okinawan karate (Ray) 12. Re: Questions (Kristina Kudriasova) 13. Re: grip exercises (jakskru) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: Beungood8@aol.com Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2006 22:42:54 EST To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: use Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net In a message dated 3/26/2006 10:26:44 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net writes: It is also useful to lube up the gun and hand with a bit of KY or something You mean there is a second use for this stuff? --__--__-- Message: 2 Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2006 21:29:18 -0800 (PST) From: Jye nigma Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] knuckle push ups To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I train outdoors in regular clothing, typically boots baggy jeans and a tshirt, I focus on being sturdy and close quarters training. I like to workout using a pole cemented in the ground but since I don't have my training apparatus, I use trees for striking and kicking drills. As far as kicking I kick no higher then waist high and typically work on front stomping kicks. Jye Richard Tomlinson wrote: By the way, we should be able to do push ups on any surface??? Do our moves in any clothing and shoes... I would like to hear about any training one does in normal clothing and shoes, outside the dojang... Thanks! _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list, 2,100 members The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang --------------------------------- New Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Call regular phones from your PC for low, low rates. --__--__-- Message: 3 Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 00:36:40 -0800 (PST) From: Luther Veuleman To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Ray Terry Is A Dangerous Guy Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Digest, You gotta watch out for that Ray Terry charactor, he'll get you shot. I bet he shoots the students that arn't paying attention to the drill. Colateral Damage. Just kidding Ray. Have you tried the AirSoft stuff? No Lead BB to deal with. You can get imitation brands everywhere, gun shows, Wal-Mart, Academy Sports, EBay, etc. They are cheap, shoot a plastic BB, and you also have Itty Bitty paint balls you can buy. No CO2 needed, just cock it, pull the trigger, and piss someone off. Also, being that the BB is larger, less chance of it penetrating the outer layer of skin. Also, the BB is probably lighter somewhat, meaning that while right out of the muzzle stings a bit, over 5-10 feet its just a tinker toy. They make various pistols, and I've seen a small assault rifle, and a pump action shotgun style, scaled down to size of course. In January of 04 I bought 2 dozen off of Ebay for 100 bucks, and had them at my house for a superbowl party. Commercial breaks where dangerous. The wives/girlfriends hated us for ruining the only part of football they like - Super Bowl Commercials. hehehehehe Charlie Veuleman Shreveport LA www.TSDofLA.com --__--__-- Message: 4 Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 02:13:12 -0800 (PST) From: freddie bishop To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] hand training Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net After talking to several physical therapists about grip development and finger strength, and finding out from them, what they do to rehab people with injuries to the hand, I have decided there is only minimal benefit to doing knuckle pushups. Wrist strength has more to do with the working muscles around the wrist and forearm and are getting more benefit from dynamic resistance exercise (wrist curls) than with isometric exercise (knuckle pushups). Thats what I do to for strengthening wrists for punching. As far as the pain element in knuckle pushups on hard abrasive surfaces, I think there are better ways of developing a "mind over matter" skill, like sparring multiple, consecutive partners (one after another) until exhaustion. Being able to fight after the energy reserves have already gone is what the whole point of developing a mind over matter skill is for, IMO. I think most people continue to mindlessly perform knuckle pushups out of ignorance of what really does work. You develop skills by doing the skill. Fred __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com --__--__-- Message: 5 From: "Dana Yeagley" To: Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 08:58:53 -0600 Subject: [The_Dojang] Questions Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Good morning to all, I have a couple of questions for the members here. This weekend my instructors instructor, and his instructor were in town at our dojang for training and seminar. I heard a couple of things that I hadn't heard before, and wondered about. There was some discussion of performing a "formal bow" when they arrived. We ended up not doing it, but it went like this: kneeling, left foot over right, both hands in a triangle on the floor, then performing the bow by placing the forehead in the triangle. I asked my instructor (who has been with these caucasian masters for over twenty-five years) about it and he stated that it was not historical with these gentlemen, but had been implemented by an enthusiastic black belt in the organization within the last ten years or so. My question was whether there was a history of such a bow in the Korean arts, or if it had been "borrowed" from another art (seems sort of Japanese)? Also, I heard the term "Suchai-Il" (sp?) for one of the masters' senior student. Again, I hadn't heard this before, and wondered if it was a title commonly used, or even correct? It was explained that this position was not just the "number one" student, but in the absence of the master, this person was to be regarded and followed as if he was the master. This would be the person who would be the heir to that masters school, students, etc, in the event of the masters death. Sounds like the Japanese Menkyo Kaidan (sp?) Thanks for any light you can shed on these questions, Dana -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.3.2/293 - Release Date: 3/26/2006 --__--__-- Message: 6 From: "WTSDA Bruce" To: Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] disarms Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 07:32:31 -0600 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I agree with Masters Terry and Tomlinson's comments. Perform disarms from realistic distance, two to three feet away, and discuss what to do if gun is more than six feet away. The farther away the gun is, the response time for him/her to pull the trigger increases. A suggestion, instead of BB gun, use a quality air soft pistol $100 to $150. Glock is the most realistic, slide cycles just like the real thing. Size, grip weight are the same, shoot a 6mm plastic ball. Ball weight varies, for different speeds. General muzzle velocity is about 300 feet per second. One last thing, WEAR EYE PROTECTION (everyone in room), you'll shoot your eye out. Stay safe ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ray" To: Sent: Sunday, March 26, 2006 11:54 AM Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] disarms >> People can still get hurt doing this with a BB gun, so I advise you to go >> slow and be VERY careful if you do try this. > > P.S. Also be very careful of those standing nearby. > > Ray Terry > rterry@idiom.com > _______________________________________________ > The_Dojang mailing list, 2,100 members > The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource > Standard disclaimers apply > http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang --__--__-- Message: 7 From: Ray Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] hand training To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 08:35:17 -0800 (PST) Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > ... As far as the pain > element in knuckle pushups on hard abrasive surfaces, > I think there are better ways of developing a "mind > over matter" skill, like sparring multiple, > consecutive partners (one after another) until exhaustion. That would be better for 'mind over matter', as you say. But pushups on a rough surface are to condition the skin and the knuckles and stress proper alignment. There is very little real pain involved after the first or second workout. Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 8 From: Ray Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Ray Terry Is A Dangerous Guy To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 08:31:48 -0800 (PST) Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > Just kidding Ray. Have you tried the AirSoft stuff? Yes, I have the Glock 19 knockoff. Love it! But at least the one I have is more expensive and seems to shoot harder than a cheap BB gun. > In January of 04 I bought 2 dozen off of Ebay for 100 bucks, Total? That is good. They must be real good... :) Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 9 From: "michael tomlinson" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 18:13:42 +0000 Subject: [The_Dojang] grip exercises Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net the two main exercises I do for grip strength are: 1. I have filled several different plastic soda bottles up with sand and some with aquarium gravel..very cheap stuff...I have a 2 liter, 1 liter, and a couple smaller ones....the idea is to grip and squeeze these different sized plastic bottles...I do sets of 20....the plastic with the sand inside closely simulates the actual feel of a persons body...the 2liter simulates the neck and upper arms...the 1 liter simulates the wrist, lower arms, etc....this works great... 2. I have a dowel rod that is about 2 inches in diameter and about 2 feet long...in the middle of it I have nailed a U shaped nail into the wood that holds a long piece of cheap plastic rope...at the end of the rope I have tied different weights...when the dowel rod is held straight out in front of you at shoulder level with the weight on the ground I start rolling the the rope up with my wrists on the dowelrod palms facing down,, I roll one wrist and the the other until the weights come all the way up to the rod...and then I let them down and roll them up again...a couple sets of these and your forearms and wrists are on fire....works great also... I do both of these exercises three times a week.... Michael Tomlinson --__--__-- Message: 10 Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 12:26:35 -0800 From: "Ray Terry" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] WTF TV Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net WTF TV Committee Meeting Held in Seoul SEOUL (March 25, 2006) --- A meeting of the WTF TV Committee was held in Seoul on March 25, 2006, as part of WTF's policy to activate its committee activities. The meeting, the first of its kind since the establishment of the TV Committee in 2005, took place at Kyung Hee University in Seoul on the sidelines of a WTF demonstration of electronic protectors. Mr. Luc Sougne, president of the Belgium Taekwondo Union, presided over the meeting in his capacity of the chairman of the TV Committee. Mr. Wan-soo Kim, vice chairman of the TV Committee, of Korean Broadcasting System was also in attendance. Mr. Seok-jae Kang, director of the WTF PR Division, attended the meeting. "I am happy that the first meeting of the TV Committee took place and I hope more members will be added to the committee to serve as a real task force on television issues," said Mr. Sougne. Sougne continued, "Our committee will propose to WTF better strategies and action for wider TV promotion of taekwondo." Representing WTF, Mr. Sougne and Mr. Kang attended the SPORTELAsia 2006, which took place in Shanghai, China, on March 20-22, 2006. It was WTF's first attendance in a SPORTEL event, the prestigious global television exhibition. A total of 658 participants, representing 324 companies from 43 countries worldwide, attended the SPORTELAsia 2006, which drew as always the highest level of executives representing broadcasters, cable and satellite services, new mobile technologies, professional leagues, program distributors, sports marketing agents, event organizers, satellite services, producers, hardware/software and facilities providers, sponsorship and investment groups, sports federations, new media and international press from around the world. --__--__-- Message: 11 From: Ray Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] video clips: okinawan karate To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 12:54:20 -0800 (PST) Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > http://media.putfile.com/tree-conditioning > http://media.putfile.com/okinawan-karate > http://media.putfile.com/training--okinawan-karate > http://media.putfile.com/breathing-kata > http://media.putfile.com/conditioning > http://media.putfile.com/okinawan-conditioning These are all from a National Geographic channel series called "Deadly Arts". A French Canadian lady "with more than 25 years experience in the martial arts" [Wow! :)] trains in arts like Karate, Muay Thai, Savate, Aikido, Kalaripayattu, etc. and they film her travels and training. Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 12 Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Questions From: Kristina Kudriasova To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 23:14:10 +0200 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Hello, > There was some discussion of performing a "formal bow" when they arrived. We > ended up not doing it, but it went like this: kneeling, left foot over > right, both hands in a triangle on the floor, then performing the bow by > placing the forehead in the triangle. I asked my instructor (who has been > with these caucasian masters for over twenty-five years) about it and he > stated that it was not historical with these gentlemen, but had been > implemented by an enthusiastic black belt in the organization within the > last ten years or so. My question was whether there was a history of such a > bow in the Korean arts, or if it had been "borrowed" from another art (seems > sort of Japanese)? I hope my answer will help, though I don't know much. This bow is called kyum-be. It's traditional Korean. I have seen it in some movies, done by youg girl as a respect to her father. We also do this bow in every training (WonHwaDo) to the sabonim. Actually, I wonder how somebody still don't know this :) It's so usual to me :) Kristina --__--__-- Message: 13 From: "jakskru" To: Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] grip exercises Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 21:01:39 -0500 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net try getting an old pair of denim jeans, cut off the end of one pant leg. sew one end together, fill it with beans or BB's (fill it up tight) then sew the other end together. hold it out (straight arm) in front of you and alternately drop and grab it with each hand, making sure to squeeze as you do it. --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang http://the-dojang.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/the_dojang Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and http://MartialArtsResource.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of The_Dojang Digest