Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 21:08:00 -0800 From: the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: The_Dojang digest, Vol 13 #147 - 14 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: kma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: The Internet's premier discussion forum on Korean Martial Arts. 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Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The Internet's premier discussion forum devoted to Korean Martial Arts. 2,100 members. See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of The_Dojang at http://MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! Today's Topics: 1. Cheap AirGuns (Luther Veuleman) 2. Re: Questions (Wes Heaps) 3. Re: Cheap AirGuns (WTSDA Bruce) 4. Mindlessness (dave weller) 5. Grip (Wayne Watkins) 6. Questions (J R Hilland) 7. RE: Grip (michael tomlinson) 8. Re: Questions (Ray) 9. Boise, ID seminar (aburrese@aol.com) 10. video clip (Jye nigma) 11. video clips: karate matches (Jye nigma) 12. More power to TKD ?? (Ray Terry) 13. Re: knuckle pushups (Joseph Cheavens) 14. RE: finger tip pushups (Joseph Cheavens) --__--__-- Message: 1 Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 21:08:01 -0800 (PST) From: Luther Veuleman To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Cheap AirGuns Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Ray, O yeah, they were pretty crappy. I figure we probably got 500 shots out of most of them before the springs got screwed up. There are, however, about 6 of them that are still operable. Possibly, it was the way all those rough guys were reloading so quickly. I saw the expensive ones, but didn't want to make the investment: I buy 1 gun, piss everyone off, I buy 24, its a freakin welp party, both options were about 100 bucks. I could see now investing in a better one if I wanted to add it to the curriculum. Charlie Veuleman --__--__-- Message: 2 Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 21:48:02 -0800 (PST) From: Wes Heaps To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: Questions Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net The kneeling bow with the head to the ground is a traditional korean bow, maybe in the other asian cultures too, i dont know. As for the fingers, or the hands making a triangle, that is, atleast in KSW, to symbolize "Jung Shin"- (many literal translations) to focas the mind, or straight mindedness. You korean linguist can correct me, but that is how my master/instructor explains it. To your second question, Ive never heard the term, or maybe i have and just dont recognize it. Hope ive helped Everyone say " I'm strong, I'm smart, I have a good Heart"- GM Suh KSW __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com --__--__-- Message: 3 From: "WTSDA Bruce" To: Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Cheap AirGuns Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 08:21:28 -0600 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Last word form me on training pistols. If it is a semi-auto airsoft, spring/CO2/green gas whatever, needs a bit (!!!) of oil where the slide comes in contact with the frame, if used a lot. May solve some malfunction issues. Stay safe, and remember those safety glasses. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Luther Veuleman" To: Sent: Monday, March 27, 2006 11:08 PM Subject: [The_Dojang] Cheap AirGuns > Ray, > > O yeah, they were pretty crappy. I figure we probably got 500 shots out > of most of them before the springs got screwed up. There are, however, > about 6 of them that are still operable. Possibly, it was the way all > those rough guys were reloading so quickly. I saw the expensive ones, but > didn't want to make the investment: I buy 1 gun, piss everyone off, I buy > 24, its a freakin welp party, both options were about 100 bucks. I could > see now investing in a better one if I wanted to add it to the curriculum. > > Charlie Veuleman > _______________________________________________ > The_Dojang mailing list, 2,100 members > The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource > Standard disclaimers apply > http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang --__--__-- Message: 4 From: dave weller Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 10:07:54 -0600 To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Mindlessness Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Mr. Bishop, This comment made me think of something instructor promotes. He says we should do ALL our techniques "mindlessly". As he explains it our mind should be empty when executing a _punch/ kick/poomse/etc_ : thinking about the technique only muddles up the movement. I have felt his "empty" fist many times, and I believe!! dave weller PS ... he likes knuckle push ups too. On Mar 27, 2006, at 8:29 PM, the_dojang- request@martialartsresource.net wrote: > I think most people continue to mindlessly perform > knuckle pushups out of ignorance of what really does > work. You develop skills by doing the skill. > > Fred --__--__-- Message: 5 Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 10:46:32 -0600 From: "Wayne Watkins" To: Subject: [The_Dojang] Grip Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net My daughter got into rock climbing about a year ago. To build up her grip she would hold a 5lb. weight with a finger and a thumb (a set with each finger.) She started with holding for 1 minute and built up to two minutes. When she was comfortable with 5 lb for two minutes she went to 10 lbs and built up to two minutes. She improved her grip to the point she could pull herself up with a pinch. Wayne Watkins wwatkins@holmescc.edu --__--__-- Message: 6 From: "J R Hilland" To: Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 10:40:00 -0600 Subject: [The_Dojang] Questions Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Dana: In hapkido, it is common to start and end class by bowing from kneeling. I have always done it that way as did my first hapkido teacher many decades ago. This method was also done when we visited the Daehan Kidowhe in Seoul. In hapkido, we always bow to our training partner before practicing a technique, if the technique will be practiced on the ground, then so is the bow. Additionally, Dr. Kimm led us through bowing while kneeling at the grave of Choi Young Sul, but in the Buddhist manner of bowing with the palms together standing, then kneeling. I have also practiced this variation while visiting Son (Korean Zen) temples, as is the custom. Bowing while kneeling is very common in hapkido. Although I have never seen it done in the KMA outside of the hapkido, ki circle of arts. Jere R. Hilland www.HapkidoSelfDefense.com --__--__-- Message: 7 From: "michael tomlinson" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] Grip Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 18:11:25 +0000 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Whew....think of what would happen if she grabbed a hold of your neck and adams apple during a self defense situation......bad news...a strong grip in Hapkido teamed up with the basic knowledge of getting in close can be a good thing huh.... Michael Tomlinson >From: "Wayne Watkins" >Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net >To: >Subject: [The_Dojang] Grip >Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 10:46:32 -0600 > >My daughter got into rock climbing about a year ago. To build up her >grip she would hold a 5lb. weight with a finger and a thumb (a set with >each finger.) She started with holding for 1 minute and built up to two >minutes. When she was comfortable with 5 lb for two minutes she went to >10 lbs and built up to two minutes. She improved her grip to the point >she could pull herself up with a pinch. > > > >Wayne Watkins > >wwatkins@holmescc.edu >_______________________________________________ >The_Dojang mailing list, 2,100 members >The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net >Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource >Standard disclaimers apply >http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang --__--__-- Message: 8 From: Ray Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Questions To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net (The_Dojang) Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 09:41:20 -0800 (PST) Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > .... Although I have never seen it done in the KMA outside of the > hapkido, ki circle of arts. I personally have seen it used only on special occasions in TKD, TSD and HKD. But not -typically- seen it used daily in any of those arts. Gm Ji did not use this formal bow in HKD and from what I understand Gm Choi did not either. Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 9 Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 14:04:45 -0500 From: aburrese@aol.com To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Boise, ID seminar Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I'll be doing a seminar in Boise, ID on Saturday, April 22, 2006. The seminar will focus on Hapkido Joint Locks, Self-defense, and possibly cane techniques. If you want more information, e-mail me at aburrese@aol.com and I will put you in contact with the host. I hope to see some list members there! Alain www.burrese.com For Your Safety - For Your Success --__--__-- Message: 10 Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 11:20:27 -0800 (PST) From: Jye nigma To: MartialArtsTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: [The_Dojang] video clip Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net http://youtube.com/watch?v=B59xd89X75A&search=cassius%20clay --------------------------------- New Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Call regular phones from your PC and save big. --__--__-- Message: 11 Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 11:21:48 -0800 (PST) From: Jye nigma To: MartialArtsTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: [The_Dojang] video clips: karate matches Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net http://youtube.com/watch?v=RMjGQk-k2ZA http://youtube.com/watch?v=W32CbEU5NOk http://youtube.com/watch?v=V4dJMXFMWzc http://youtube.com/watch?v=LUMGxQ0nzB4 http://youtube.com/watch?v=KbmqgmNorq4 http://youtube.com/watch?v=C3DqMBrUBDk http://youtube.com/watch?v=b9GzZCM2r8E --------------------------------- Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls to the US (and 30+ countries) for 2¢/min or less. --__--__-- Message: 12 Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 15:04:40 -0800 From: "Ray Terry" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] More power to TKD ?? Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net >From USAT... Taekwondo jumped up to 11th on the USOlympicTeam.com's Olympic Sports Power Ratings for the week of March 20-26. The ratings list the most-viewed Olympic sports pages on www.usolympicteam.com for that week. Taekwondo moved up from 15th place the week before and is fifth among summer sports, trailing only wrestling, gymnastics, track & field, and swimming. --__--__-- Message: 13 From: "Joseph Cheavens" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] knuckle pushups Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 22:28:40 -0600 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net We used to have a big post (ala telephone post) wrapped in hemp rope outside our dojang where we woud occassionally be encouraged to practice our techniques when we were feeling particularly salty, or if our instructor just wanted to punish us a bit for a lack of salt. Toughened up those striking surfaces and built character. Joe Cheavens >From: Ray >Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net >To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net >Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] knuckle pushups >Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 16:42:21 -0800 (PST) > > > that all depends on the type of mat--doing them on a vinyl mat is pretty > > much the same as hitting a heavy bag without wraps...especially if you >roll > > on the fist as you do them. heck, even some carpets cam have the same > > effect. > >Only if that heavy bag is filled with concrete. > >Do them on a mat, any mat, or carpet and then try on rough concrete. Big >difference. > > >Reminds me of a story... :) > >A friend and I were waiting for a seminar to begin, it was being held in a >muay thai school. In a MT school it is common to have a number of the >large >(6 ft long) heavy bags (banana bags) lined up across one end of the gym. >They >are like a pillow on one end of the line and progress to the concrete >filled >bag on the other end. The idea is to start on the soft end as a beginnner >and then progress up the line to a harder and harder bag. > >As we waited for the seminar to start my friend was feeling the bag on >the soft end and then wandered slowly down the line to the hard end. Upon >arriving to the concrete bag he decided it was time to warm up a bit with >a few kicks on the bag. > >As I watched from across the gym he hauled off and kicked the concrete >bag with all his heart... and then tried to act as if he didn't just about >break his leg. He limped around the rest of that entire week... > >Ray Terry >rterry@idiom.com >_______________________________________________ >The_Dojang mailing list, 2,100 members >The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net >Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource >Standard disclaimers apply >http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang --__--__-- Message: 14 From: "Joseph Cheavens" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] finger tip pushups Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 22:36:06 -0600 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Yes, ripping out the throat or crushing the windpipe when you life is threatened is a very effective technique. It doesn't require a whole lot of training to learn how to do and you don't even need to have a super strong grip if you use a good tiger mouth strike to initiate the larynx crush. Joe Cheavens >From: freddie bishop >Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net >To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net >Subject: [The_Dojang] finger tip pushups >Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2006 05:39:17 -0800 (PST) > > I have also posed the question of finger tip pushups >for grip development and conditioning for striking to >some PT's (physical therapist). They said doing >pushups on knuckles or fingertips is the same as doing >any other isometric exercise. You gain some benefit in >strength, but exercises that use movement or dynamic >action which closely mimics the intended use of the >body is much more effective. They also said the >fingertips are not designed to be used as bludgeoning >weapons, they said they would use a grabbing technique >to rip away at tendons particularly the tendons of the >neck. > I have witnessed on several occasions where people, >like my father, using their fingertips for striking to >great affect, and he performed fingertip pushups as >well as various other gripping exercises and weight >training for hand strength on a regular basis. I would >say, after interviewing the PT's that it was the >complete collection of training techniques my used is >what led to his amazing ability to strike with the >fingertips. > > Fred > > > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Tired of spam? Yahoo! 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