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Today's Topics:

   1. Kneeling Bow (Gordon)
   2. Gun Disarms (Brooke Thomas)
   3. RE (2): [The_Dojang] video clip: gun disarms (Jon Payne)
   4. Re: Knealing Bow (Frank Clay)
   5. Mr. Dunn (freddie bishop)
   6. Re: Gun Disarms (Ray)

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Message: 1
From: "Gordon" <gordon@baes.com>
To: <the_dojang@martialartsresource.net>
Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2006 16:21:44 -0600
Subject: [The_Dojang] Kneeling Bow
Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net

<Good points with regards to intention. On the flip side, just going to

church and going through the motions of prayer are not necessarily an act

of worship unless your heart is in it.

 

Joe>

Yes, but it is a witness to others.

Gordon Okerstrom

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Message: 2
Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2006 15:35:35 -0800 (PST)
From: Brooke Thomas <intv1@pacbell.net>
To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net
Subject: [The_Dojang] Gun Disarms
Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net

Jye-

You mentioned that you were unimpressed with the gun
disarm link you posted?...do you have any links to
post of gun disarms you like?  Just curious...and
hopefully any more links will keep this discussion
alive as I find it fascinating.  Thanks.

-Brooke
Hapkido Blend

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Message: 3
From: "Jon Payne" <payne1224@gt.rr.com>
To: "The_Dojang" <the_dojang@martialartsresource.net>
Subject: RE (2): [The_Dojang] video clip: gun disarms
Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2006 17:53:16 -0600
Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net

>>"Most cops that die in the line of duty die in car accidents, the majority 
>>of those that die by gunfire die by their own gun.">>

Sir,
Where do you get your information?  There were 150 Officer Deaths in 2005. 
I counted about 58 that was gunfire and that included assaults and 
accidents. One was an Aggravated Assault with a Deadly Weapon (knife). 
There was also quite a few Vehicular Assaults and heart attacks.  My 
information tells me one third of Officers shot and killed are killed with 
their own weapon.  One third does not equal "Most".

Allot Officers have become more skilled at weapons retention and use Threat 
Level III holsters.  Notice I did not say most, but allot.

I do not get my information from a "friend who is a cop".  I am a 
professional police officer and train quite often to try and be ready for 
what ever comes my way.  Not every Officer trains as much as I do. I have 
made the decision that when my shift is over I'm going home.  I made that 
promise to my wife and kids.  I don't intend to break it.

Jon Payne 

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Message: 4
From: "Frank Clay" <frankclay@msn.com>
To: <the_dojang@martialartsresource.net>
Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2006 18:42:57 -0600
Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: Knealing Bow
Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net

While I respect your dedication to your religion, I don't think it should
factor in here. Remember, part of faith is in the intent of the action. If
you say chant the rosary a million times but there is nothing in your heart
you are wasting time. If you do a simple humble act of kindness for another
with altruistic intentions then the act is spiritual as it was selfless.

The bow is nothing more than a greeting. If you are not worshipping this
person in your heart then there is no conflict. If you are on your knees in
front of any man with worship in your heart, then I'd say there is a
problem.

In closing... many cultures use bows of various types. From the English to
the bisous of the French to the bow of the Far East, there are "foreign
greetings". In my mind, it boils down to what's in you when you do the
action.

Frank

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Message: 5
Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2006 17:01:54 -0800 (PST)
From: freddie bishop <mauler681@yahoo.com>
To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net
Subject: [The_Dojang] Mr. Dunn
Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net

 Mr. Dunn 
  I wonder just how true your statement is regarding
others' feelings toward my efforts of researching
effective training techniques. If that were true, that
nobody gives a hoot regarding my comments or opinions,
I would like to know why they feel this way. Where I
lack in  knowledge or experience,  I have always tried
to talk to people that would know a bit about whatever
subject matter I need information on. I appreciate
your honesty, no matter how hurtful you come across.

                               Sincerely
                               Fred


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Message: 6
From: Ray <rterry@idiom.com>
Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Gun Disarms
To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net (The_Dojang)
Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2006 20:22:04 -0800 (PST)
Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net

A very basic handgun disarm, which I have been told by Mas Ayoob is taught 
to FBI Special Agents.  ???

You have someone holding a handgun on you and they are fortunately holding
the gun within your reach.

You will grab the handgun with your "strong" hand.  Assuming that is your 
right hand...  you slide your left foot back, blading your body out of the
line of sight.  Thus you are now facing perpendicular to the plane of the gun
barrel with your two feet inline.  Toes pointing, again, perpendicular to the
gun's barrel.

As you are blading your body and sliding your left foot back you grab the
guy's hand and the gun w/your strong hand (your right hand in this example), 
pushing the gun and muzzle away from you.

With your left hand, you then grab the gun and push it, esp the muzzle, away 
from you as you pull your right hand back toward you.

If the gun is in his left hand, the gun comes out of his grip and into your
left hand.

If the gun is in his right hand, you break his finger in the trigger guard
as the gun come out of his grip and into your left hand.  

Retain the gun.  Angle back and to his left.  Give him two center ma...  
umm, never mind that last part.

Simple.  Fast.  Effective.

Ray Terry
rterry@idiom.com


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