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Re: Cane and one last bit on Christianity (ISA Headquarters) 18. Re: On Bowing (Sly) --__--__-- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2006 04:36:42 -0700 (PDT) From: Luther Veuleman To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Looking For A Certain Dobak Top Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Digest, I am looking for a black trimmed top with a little longer lapels. I wear a size 6, but a size 7 gives that extra length on the length, but way too much on the sleeves, and a little too much material around the body. I've got one of the Century ones, but I don't want to fork out 50 bucks somewhere and just get another knockoff of that one, so if you know of a supplier that sells a longer cut, gimme a heads up. Charlie V www.TSDofLA.com www.cafepress.com/tsdofla --__--__-- Message: 2 From: "rwood" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2006 07:59:02 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] Cane Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I have been to the Canemaster website and would like to by one of their canes. My KMA instructor is teaching us cane. We focus more on the long work (keeping the aggressor away) than with close in work. With three feet of stick to us way allow the aggressor to get close? We are taught joint locks and disarms as well. I like cane because it is a self defense too that you can take anywhere. BTW I was ready some writings from the turn of the 19th century regarding canes and self defense, and came across information stating that in 19th century London a gentleman was required to obtain a permit to carry a cane on the street. Below in a link to a site that has the text for European cane self defense. The document is in two parts. http://ejmas.com/jnc/jncart_barton-wright_0200.htm http://ejmas.com/jnc/jncart_barton-wright_0400.htm IHS, Rob He who ignores disciple comes to poverty and shame, but whoever heeds correction is honored. Proverbs 13:18 This electronic communication is from Moberly Public Schools, and is confidential, privileged, and intended only for the use of the recipient(s) named above. If you are not the intended recipient, unauthorized disclosure, distribution, or use of the contents of this transmission is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please notify the CIS Department immediately at the following e-mail address: tech@moberly.k12.mo.us or by calling 660-269-2665. --__--__-- Message: 3 From: Chosondo@aol.com Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2006 09:00:56 EDT To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] On Bowing Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Here is my two cents worth on this often debated subject. When we bow to someone, regardless of who, whether a white belt or senior dan holder or enemy for that matter, we are bowing to our potential selves. We are bowing to that immutable quality (the divine spirit) that dwells in all of us that is greater than all of us. Further, a bow is a tacit non-verbal agreement and understanding that, regardless of status or position, we agree to uphold the highest ideals of the martial arts. Often folks would bow to someone and then talk bad or be critical of that person. Or worse, habor ill will or malcontent. This is kind of behavior is hypocritical. I would personally prefer someone not bow to me if this is their mind set. My Taekwondo teacher, Dr. Yang Don Ja once told me that, the more senior you become, the lower you bow should be. He likened this to a rice stalk. As it becomes full of rice (knowledge) it bends (bows) lower because it now serves the needs of our fellowman. He further pointed out that we teachers are in fact servants... Okay, I am off my soap box now. Ian A. Cyrus, Headmaster International Chosondo Federation Choson Kwon Bup - Hapkido - Taekwondo 7252 Valley Ave Philadelphia, PA 19128 215-483-5057, www.chosondo.com chosondo@aol.com --__--__-- Message: 4 Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2006 08:31:03 -0500 From: Taekwondo America To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Looking For A Certain Dobak Top Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net The Tokaido Arashi uniforms that Century sells are cut a little longer. The lapels are VERY stiff and stay closed a little better, which is important for me as a female. We have the local seamstress sew on the black trim, and she hates these particular uniform because she goes through several needles! Unfortunately, even wholesale they are $$$ and you cannot buy as separates. But they do come in half sizes. Cheryl Luther Veuleman wrote: > Digest, > > I am looking for a black trimmed top with a little longer lapels. I wear a size 6, but a size 7 gives that extra length on the length, but way too much on the sleeves, and a little too much material around the body. > > I've got one of the Century ones, but I don't want to fork out 50 bucks somewhere and just get another knockoff of that one, so if you know of a supplier that sells a longer cut, gimme a heads up. > > Charlie V > www.TSDofLA.com > www.cafepress.com/tsdofla > _______________________________________________ > The_Dojang mailing list, 2,100 members > The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource > Standard disclaimers apply > http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang --__--__-- Message: 5 From: Brian Beach Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2006 09:58:40 -0400 To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Hap fro Ai Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Hapkido is not derived from Aikido. http://www.hapkido-info.net/html/hapkido_home_com.html On Apr 5, 2006, at 6:02 AM, the_dojang- request@martialartsresource.net wrote: > Furthermore, for the Hapkidoists --derived from Aikido??-- O Sensei... --__--__-- Message: 6 Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2006 07:08:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Brooke Thomas To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Cane Masters Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Re Cane Masters, I remember when I and a number of other students in our school started studying the cane. We couldn't get enough of the cane and of course we rushed to cane masters and purchased several canes and the video. Later, I mentioned the video to Master Fariborz who matter of factly said, yeah, he knew about the company...the guy in the video had come down to our school several years before and took a few lessons specifically on the cane...and a business was born. At that time, I tried to encourage Master Fariborz to offer a "patch" or some "certificate" in the 'way of the cane' but his response was forget about obsessing about that weapon...YOU are the weapon. You can turn anything into a weapon...don't focus too much on one thing. Now that I have grown to understand that concept, I'm kind of embarrassed to walk around with my cane master canes as they are a beacon to the fact that you are a martial artist and as pointed out numerous times on this forum, you may have some "splainin" to do to the cops should you have to defend yourself with a cane masters cane. Don't get me wrong, I still love the cane and I train and carry a generic one in my car. I also have the extreme benefit of getting superb (and much more detailed!) cane/weapon instruction from Master Fariborz and Master Sexton. -Brooke Hapkido Blend --__--__-- Message: 7 Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2006 07:12:53 -0700 (PDT) From: Ken McDonough To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Taegu in Summer= ?? Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Taegu is perhaps the hottest place in Korea during the summer. Try Rose's Cafe. Many ex-pats. Large 40 x 80 workshop completed. Wall built separating workshop from workout room. Bathroom and shower installed...lofts installed...carpeting installed. Its the Bomb ! Ken McDee --------------------------------- New Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Call regular phones from your PC and save big. --__--__-- Message: 8 From: "Kevin Janisse" To: Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2006 07:34:09 -0700 Subject: [The_Dojang] NKMAA Seminar Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Hello all, This past weekend Grandmaster Timmerman, Chris Demonaeous, and I shared some of the Kong Shin Bup material with Master Fred Gommels school in Rochester, MN. It was quite enjoyable and Master Gommels was an excellent host. He has a great group of martial artists who were ready, willing, and abled to recieve and give the gift of pain...lol. The next NKMAA seminar will be in Portland Oregon on June 17th. For more information: http://www.nkmaa.com/2006%20nkmaa%20Events.html A large NKMAA contingent will be off to Korea next week for some awesome training. I wish everyone a great Easter ressurection celebration which I will be celebrating for the first time in Korea.....Ironic. Sincerley, Kevin Janisse --__--__-- Message: 9 From: "Joseph Cheavens" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] Kukkiwon website updated Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2006 10:30:00 -0500 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I notice that the official history is the typical whitewash, portraying Taekwondo as having been developed from ancient times into subak and then taekyon, and from taekyon into Taekwondo. No mention of the founders of the original kwans and the fact that they all studied karate in Japan or that taekyon has very little physical resemblance to Taekwondo. [IMAGE] -------------------------------------------------------------------- From:  "Ray Terry" Reply-To:  the_dojang@martialartsresource.net To:  the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject:  [The_Dojang] Kukkiwon website updated Date:  Tue, 4 Apr 2006 20:50:32 -0700 >New URL for English side and updated look. > >http://www.kukkiwon.or.kr/english/index.jsp >_______________________________________________ >The_Dojang mailing list, 2,100 members >The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net >Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource >Standard disclaimers apply >http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang --__--__-- Message: 10 From: "michael tomlinson" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Looking For A Certain Dobak Top Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2006 15:33:27 +0000 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I bought a couple of Hapkido doboks from JR. West at the Hapkido fest a year or so ago...they have black trim and are pretty long....I love them...I wear them a lot and they wear really well.... Michael Tomlinson >From: Taekwondo America >Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net >To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net >Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Looking For A Certain Dobak Top >Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2006 08:31:03 -0500 > >The Tokaido Arashi uniforms that Century sells are cut a little longer. The >lapels are VERY stiff and stay closed a little better, which is important >for me as a female. We have the local seamstress sew on the black trim, and >she hates these particular uniform because she goes through several >needles! Unfortunately, even wholesale they are $$$ and you cannot buy as >separates. But they do come in half sizes. > >Cheryl > >Luther Veuleman wrote: >>Digest, >> I am looking for a black trimmed top with a little longer lapels. I >>wear a size 6, but a size 7 gives that extra length on the length, but way >>too much on the sleeves, and a little too much material around the body. >> I've got one of the Century ones, but I don't want to fork out 50 >>bucks somewhere and just get another knockoff of that one, so if you know >>of a supplier that sells a longer cut, gimme a heads up. >> Charlie V >> www.TSDofLA.com >> www.cafepress.com/tsdofla >>_______________________________________________ >>The_Dojang mailing list, 2,100 members >>The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net >>Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource >>Standard disclaimers apply >>http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang >_______________________________________________ >The_Dojang mailing list, 2,100 members >The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net >Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource >Standard disclaimers apply >http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang --__--__-- Message: 11 From: "Joseph Cheavens" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] Hap fro Ai Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2006 10:34:36 -0500 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Can of worms.  Joe -------------------------------------------------------------------- From:  Brian Beach Reply-To:  the_dojang@martialartsresource.net To:  the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject:  [The_Dojang] Hap fro Ai Date:  Wed, 5 Apr 2006 09:58:40 -0400 >Hapkido is not derived from Aikido. > >http://www.hapkido-info.net/html/hapkido_home_com.html > >On Apr 5, 2006, at 6:02 AM, the_dojang- >request@martialartsresource.net wrote: > >>Furthermore, for the Hapkidoists --derived from Aikido??-- O >>Sensei... >_______________________________________________ >The_Dojang mailing list, 2,100 members >The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net >Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource >Standard disclaimers apply >http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang --__--__-- Message: 12 From: "michael tomlinson" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] Cane Masters Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2006 16:18:52 +0000 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Brooke,, very true...sounds like you've learned some things along the way...Hapki... Michael Tomlinson >From: Brooke Thomas >Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net >To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net >Subject: [The_Dojang] Cane Masters >Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2006 07:08:01 -0700 (PDT) > >Re Cane Masters, I remember when I and a number of >other students in our school started studying the >cane. We couldn't get enough of the cane and of >course we rushed to cane masters and purchased several >canes and the video. Later, I mentioned the video to >Master Fariborz who matter of factly said, yeah, he >knew about the company...the guy in the video had come >down to our school several years before and took a few >lessons specifically on the cane...and a business was >born. > >At that time, I tried to encourage Master Fariborz to >offer a "patch" or some "certificate" in the 'way of >the cane' but his response was forget about obsessing >about that weapon...YOU are the weapon. You can turn >anything into a weapon...don't focus too much on one >thing. > >Now that I have grown to understand that concept, I'm >kind of embarrassed to walk around with my cane master >canes as they are a beacon to the fact that you are a >martial artist and as pointed out numerous times on >this forum, you may have some "splainin" to do to the >cops should you have to defend yourself with a cane >masters cane. > >Don't get me wrong, I still love the cane and I train >and carry a generic one in my car. I also have the >extreme benefit of getting superb (and much more >detailed!) cane/weapon instruction from Master >Fariborz and Master Sexton. > >-Brooke >Hapkido Blend >_______________________________________________ >The_Dojang mailing list, 2,100 members >The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net >Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource >Standard disclaimers apply >http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang --__--__-- Message: 13 From: "michael tomlinson" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] Taegu in Summer= ?? Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2006 16:19:43 +0000 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Ken, Sounds awesome bro!!! Michael Tomlinson >From: Ken McDonough >Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net >To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net >Subject: [The_Dojang] Taegu in Summer= ?? >Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2006 07:12:53 -0700 (PDT) > >Taegu is perhaps the hottest place in Korea during the summer. Try Rose's >Cafe. Many ex-pats. > > Large 40 x 80 workshop completed. Wall built separating workshop from >workout room. Bathroom and shower installed...lofts installed...carpeting >installed. Its the Bomb ! > > Ken McDee > > > >--------------------------------- >New Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Call regular phones from your PC and save >big. >_______________________________________________ >The_Dojang mailing list, 2,100 members >The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net >Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource >Standard disclaimers apply >http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang --__--__-- Message: 14 From: Ray Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Cane Masters To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2006 09:38:54 -0700 (PDT) Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > cane. We couldn't get enough of the cane and of > course we rushed to cane masters and purchased several > canes and the video. Save your $$ and buy a standard stock cane from most any feed and grain store. They are like $10. Not nearly as pretty, but about as hefty as the Canemaster canes. Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 15 From: Ray Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Kukkiwon website updated To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2006 09:41:51 -0700 (PDT) Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > I notice that the official history is the typical whitewash, portraying > Taekwondo as having been developed from ancient times into subak and then > taekyon, and from taekyon into Taekwondo. No mention of the founders of > the original kwans and the fact that they all studied karate in Japan or > that taekyon has very little physical resemblance to Taekwondo. Agreed, the party line on the history of TKD is pretty much a fairy tale. However, not all kwan founders studied Karate in Japan, (e.g. Chang Moo Kwan and Moo Duk Kwan). Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 16 From: "michael tomlinson" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Cane Masters Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2006 17:10:10 +0000 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net When I first saw the prices of the canemaste canes I about fell out of my chair....149 dollars for a wooden cane????? Are you kidding me??? Michael Tomlinson >From: Ray >Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net >To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net >Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Cane Masters >Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2006 09:38:54 -0700 (PDT) > > > cane. We couldn't get enough of the cane and of > > course we rushed to cane masters and purchased several > > canes and the video. > >Save your $$ and buy a standard stock cane from most any feed and grain >store. They are like $10. Not nearly as pretty, but about as hefty as the >Canemaster canes. > >Ray Terry >rterry@idiom.com >_______________________________________________ >The_Dojang mailing list, 2,100 members >The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net >Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource >Standard disclaimers apply >http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang --__--__-- Message: 17 From: "ISA Headquarters" To: Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2006 13:54:08 -0400 Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: Cane and one last bit on Christianity Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net On the subject of canes, how many of you are practicing self-defense with a cane? How many of you actually need a cane to walk comfortably? I trained with a cane back in the 70's thru the early 90's, before I needed a cane. Then the reality set in when I actually had to use one for walking. I found that most of the stuff 'out there' that people are teaching is really"OUT THERE" when you really need one. It is so much different to try and use it for a self-defense, when you really need to use it for balance. I have been 'with cane' since 2000 and I can't seem to use it like I used to practiced. Example: If you have a bad hip on the left side, then you carry the cane with your right hand, because it gives you support for when your left foot touches the ground. But, if you try some of the silly moves that you see in the movies or video tape, then you usually either fall or are unbalanced in some way. If you truly need the cane, then stick to the basic movements of 'stick work.' As far as the mixing of martial arts and Christian principles; if it works, then do it. If you are set in your basic Christian values, then you will also realize that you do need some form of 'art' to protect yourself and your family. Enough said from me, back to lurk mode. Respectfully, George I. Petrotta ISA Director www.sungjado.org/ isahdq@sc.rr.com -- ---------------------------------------- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter for private users. It has removed 2813 spam emails to date. Paying users do not have this message in their emails. Try www.SPAMfighter.com for free now! --__--__-- Message: 18 Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2006 19:41:45 -0100 From: "Sly" Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] On Bowing To: Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Message well received. Thanks, Sly ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2006 12:00 PM Subject: [The_Dojang] On Bowing > Here is my two cents worth on this often debated subject. When we bow to > someone, regardless of who, whether a white belt or senior dan holder or > enemy for > that matter, we are bowing to our potential selves. We are bowing to that > immutable quality (the divine spirit) that dwells in all of us that is > greater > than all of us. Further, a bow is a tacit non-verbal agreement and > understanding > that, regardless of status or position, we agree to uphold the highest > ideals > of the martial arts. Often folks would bow to someone and then talk bad or > be > critical of that person. Or worse, habor ill will or malcontent. This is > kind > of behavior is hypocritical. I would personally prefer someone not bow to > me > if this is their mind set. > > My Taekwondo teacher, Dr. Yang Don Ja once told me that, the more senior > you > become, the lower you bow should be. He likened this to a rice stalk. As > it > becomes full of rice (knowledge) it bends (bows) lower because it now > serves the > needs of our fellowman. He further pointed out that we teachers are in > fact > servants... > > Okay, I am off my soap box now. > > Ian A. Cyrus, Headmaster > International Chosondo Federation > Choson Kwon Bup - Hapkido - Taekwondo > 7252 Valley Ave > Philadelphia, PA 19128 > 215-483-5057, www.chosondo.com > chosondo@aol.com > _______________________________________________ > The_Dojang mailing list, 2,100 members > The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource > Standard disclaimers apply > http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang http://the-dojang.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/the_dojang Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and http://MartialArtsResource.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of The_Dojang Digest