Date: Sun, 09 Apr 2006 03:01:57 -0700 From: the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: The_Dojang digest, Vol 13 #164 - 9 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: kma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: The Internet's premier discussion forum on Korean Martial Arts. 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Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The Internet's premier discussion forum devoted to Korean Martial Arts. 2,100 members. See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of The_Dojang at http://MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! Today's Topics: 1. Oh Do kwan (Ray) 2. Do-Boks (Gladewater SooBahkDo) 3. RE: Building a Dojang= Tips and Tricks (Joseph Cheavens) 4. Re: Cloudy History (Joseph Cheavens) 5. Master Dan How to speak Korean (Dan Scholten) 6. RE: Do-Boks (michael tomlinson) 7. Re: Master Dan How to speak Korean (Ray) 8. Review - Close-Range Gunfighting (ABurrese@aol.com) 9. Re: Master Dan How to speak Korean (Ray) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: Ray To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net (The_Dojang) Date: Sat, 8 Apr 2006 08:56:01 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [The_Dojang] Oh Do kwan Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Just re-reading the Oh Do Kwan portion of the Modern History of Taekwondo. Many interesting points... I had the pleasure of meeting Kim Bong Sik (mentioned below) in his office during a visit to the Kukkiwon several years ago. His biz card shows him as a retired Colonel. Fits. He still looked to be in tip-top shape. I asked him a question about the kwans. His reponse was not surprising for a loyal Kukkiwon man, "the old kwans are not imporant now". I didn't push that one any further... During an always enjoyable visit to Jackson a couple of years ago there was a fellow working in the hotel the huge semi-annual KMA seminar was being held. He claimed to have been a old student of Nam Tae Hi in Chicago. Interesting to hear him chat about Nam Tae Hi and his teaching. I suspect that Nam Tae Hi is the real, but little known, force behind the founding of ITF Taekwondo. Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com -------------------------------------------------------- Section 6: Oh Do Kwan The Oh Do Kwan is a product of former ROK Army members Choi Hong Hi and Nam Tae Hi. Nam Tae Hi made a big contribution to the Oh Do Kwan, which was founded by Choi Hong Hi in the 3rd Army Yong Dae Ri base. For Choi, Nam was a treasure. Nam registered at the Chung Do Kwan right after Independence Day. After he learned Tang Soo Do from Lee Won Kuk, he taught Tang Soo Do at the Military Signal School in 1947. This led to his faith and loyalty with the military. A handsome man with excellent administrative skills, Nam's Tang Soo Do was great. After he met General Choi of the 29th Infantry Division in Chejudo, this was the beginning of his changing life. The Oh Do Kwan had new members that were mostly former members of the Chung Do Kwan. They were (1) Nam Tae Hi, (2) Han Cha Kyo, (3) Woo Jong Rim, (4) Ko Jae Chun, (5) Kim Suk Kyu, (6) Kwak Kuen Suk and others. Instructors were Hyun Jong Myun and others who were from the Chung Do Kwan. After Hyun Jong Myun taught for more than 10 years since 1954, he became the Kwan Jang. There is a rumor that this relates to Choi, who became the Chung Do Kwan's Honorary Kwan Jang. After ROK President Rhee Syng Man sponsored General Choi, the Oh Do Kwan grew rapidly since 1955. His plan to teach Tang Soo Do to everyone in the military led to changing Tang Soo Do's name to Taekwondo. When he taught Taekwondo, he instructed his students to yell out "TaeKwon!". When the Vietnam War broke out in the early 1960's, General Choi sent Taekwondo instructors to Vietnam. This led to the discrimination against civilian dojangs and spread his dojang's reputation. Taekwondo instructors were sent to Vietnam in December 1962. Nam Tae Hi was the head of the group and Kim Seung Kyu, Jung Young Hwi and CHOO Kyo were the instructors. Until the evacuation of the ROK military 657 instructors were dispatched. Successive generation Taekwondo instructors were (1) Nam Tae Hi (2) Baek Joon Ki (3) Choi Dong Hee (4) Kim Suk Kyu (5) Ko Jae Chun (6) Kim Bong Sik (7) Jung Byung Kill (8) Kim Sueng Kyu. Mostly they were former Chung Do Kwan members. However, when new military recruits who had Taekwondo dan rank joined, the Oh Do Kwan only approved Chung Do Kwan dan ranks. The dan ranks from other Kwans were not approved and they were called "Civilian Dan rank" so the new recruits had to pass another test to receive Dan rank in the military. This caused complications between the Oh Do Kwan and other Kwans. Regarding this issue, General Choi defended the action and said: "The Oh Do Kwan had frequent exchanges of basic forms and similar practice sessions with the Chung Do Kwan, but the Ji Do Kwan, Chang Moo Kwan and other schools had different structural forms. So the military needed to test their members." After Choi Hong Hi founded the International Taekwon-Do Federation, Choi deviated from the KTA and weakened the Oh Do Kwan. Hyun Jong Myun was the second Kwan Jang, Kwak Byung Oh (Jak Ko) was the third and Baek Joon Ki was the third Kwan Jang for the Oh Do Kwan. --__--__-- Message: 2 From: "Gladewater SooBahkDo" To: "the_dojang" Date: Sat, 8 Apr 2006 09:52:16 -0700 Subject: [The_Dojang] Do-Boks Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I have had some of the same probems ofver the years with do-boks. I started ordering a quality uniform like Iron-Man or Takado. I then take them to a local alteration place and have the leaves shortened a bit and the trim put on. This has been the best for me. JC CoxGet more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com --__--__-- Message: 3 From: "Joseph Cheavens" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] Building a Dojang= Tips and Tricks Date: Sat, 08 Apr 2006 12:18:11 -0500 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net How are you doing the floor? Pier and beam? Concrete slab? If you are going with a slab, may I suggest the following as an inexpensive means to make a training floor that will not trash you knees, back and anklse the way a concrete floor will, even if covered with mats. Go to your local tire dump or troll through a bunch of tire dealerships and get enough old tires of all the same width to cover your floor. Build a wooden frame out of 2x4s with joists on 20" centers to cover the tires and leave free floating (i.e. don't anchor the edges into the wall. Lay plywood decking down over the frame. Now, depending on your budget and whether you prefer a wood floor or a padded floor, you can either sand and lacquer the plywood (cheapest), put puzzle mats or pergo (sp?) down (next cheapest), spray down some of that foam floor covering that they use on gym floors (more expensive) or put down a nice hardwood floor or tatami mats (most expensive). The tires will provide enough resistance that the floor will feel really solid when doing normal movements, but will have enough give that the whole floor will give a bit when you do jumping techniques or break falls. The harder you land, the more it gives. Joe Cheavens >From: Ken McDonough >Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net >To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net >Subject: [The_Dojang] Building a Dojang= Tips and Tricks >Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2006 15:29:44 -0700 (PDT) > >I read this blurb from a poster here, edited: > > discussed using one of those in my upcoming cane video with them.> > > Response: > > I recently built a 40 x 80 Steel Building on my 5 acres. I have 5 inch >thick concrete, with cement stabilization, bagging, and other foundation >secrets. Also, how to plumb the foundation and set the re-bar. > > Its in a new book and accompanying video on KenM's Video Productions. > > Willing to impart knowledge since half of the building will be a Dojang >and workout area. Now, I am not self-promoting, just passing along my Hard >Won Wisdom of doing this Dojang and Building. > > Peace, > > Big K down in Big T > > > >--------------------------------- >Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls to the US (and 30+ >countries) for 2˘/min or less. >_______________________________________________ >The_Dojang mailing list, 2,100 members >The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net >Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource >Standard disclaimers apply >http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang --__--__-- Message: 4 From: "Joseph Cheavens" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Cloudy History Date: Sat, 08 Apr 2006 12:21:09 -0500 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Still working on the revisions. I'll be defending May 17 and submitting the final draft to Grad Divsion by July 13 for and August graduation. I'm considering publishing it online, as that is a lot easier of a route for pbulishing than the traditional means. I'm also considering having it translated and published in Korean and Japanese, because if I were to try and make any money on publishing it, it would be much more popular overseas. Joe Cheavens >From: Ray >Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net >To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net >Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Cloudy History >Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2006 16:57:16 -0700 (PDT) > > > ... which was a big help in doing some revisions to my > > dissertation, which examines the relationships between yakuza, >kkangp'ae, > > and the Japanese government. > >Sounds like a very interesting read. > >Is it available online anywhere? > >Ray Terry >rterry@idiom.com >_______________________________________________ >The_Dojang mailing list, 2,100 members >The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net >Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource >Standard disclaimers apply >http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang --__--__-- Message: 5 Date: Sat, 08 Apr 2006 10:34:11 -0800 From: Dan Scholten To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Master Dan How to speak Korean Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net To Mr. Ray Terry I would like to improve my ability to speak Korean in class there is always a gap between how we are taught in written word and how a Korean speaks phonetically. I wonder if you have happened upon a basic instruction DVD/CD that I could use. Mostly interested in basic commands for class to start, then maybe working my way up to conversational Korean. I would also like a work set on written language as well. Thanks Dan --__--__-- Message: 6 From: "michael tomlinson" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] Do-Boks Date: Sat, 08 Apr 2006 20:06:03 +0000 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I hate to beat a dead horse...BUT...when in doubt go to your local upholstry store...order a couple reams of purple spandex....and customize and coordinate....nothing feels better than purple spandex!!! Michael Tomlinson --__--__-- Message: 7 From: Ray Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Master Dan How to speak Korean To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Sat, 8 Apr 2006 16:40:24 -0700 (PDT) Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > I would like to improve my ability to speak Korean in class there is always > a gap between how we are taught in written word and how a Korean speaks > phonetically. I wonder if you have happened upon a basic instruction DVD/CD > that I could use. Mostly interested in basic commands for class to start, > then maybe working my way up to conversational Korean. Working your way up to conversational Korean may be tough. I would suggest an actual language class, i.e. in a classroom setting, for that. There are variety of Taekwondo / Tang Soo Do tapes on the market. Of course TKD and TSD tapes are likely to be fairly different given the names of stances, techniques, etc. differ. I can't really recommend a program myself. All of my KMA instructors were native Koreans, so I learned by just repeating what I heard. I remember the first time I happened to be the senior on the dojang floor and had to call the class to attention, etc. as the SaBum-nim walked in. Later he pulled me aside and asked why I called him a flag. :) Master Hilland... Do I recall you mentioning something about you receiving something like what Dan is asking about above??? Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 8 From: ABurrese@aol.com Date: Sat, 8 Apr 2006 19:40:47 EDT To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Review - Close-Range Gunfighting Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net For those that own and use firearms as part of their training, here is a review I wrote of Gabe Suarez' two DVD set "Close-Range Gunfighting." Owning a firearm and going to the range a couple times to shoot a few rounds will not prepare you to actually use your gun in a real gun fight. While most people will never be faced with such a reality, some will. If you want to be prepared for the realities of a gunfight, you must train for them. In Close-Range Gunfighting: Reality-Based Firearms Training for Realistic Situations, combat shooting instructor Gabriel Suarez teaches the skills needed to use your weapon for combat. The running time for the two DVDs is 195 minutes, and during this time Suarez basically covers the skills he teaches in his live classes. The goal of his classes is to replicate real world situations through the training environment. This two volume set teaches you how to go about the same training. Each lesson is well taught. Suarez speaks well and demonstrates everything he teaches. The segments are concluded with a review section that makes it easy to remember the main points he was instructing. The entire set is well filmed and edited and ranks with some of the best shooting instruction videos I have seen. Volume 1 The first DVD starts out with a brief introduction and then a safety briefing. I was glad to see this, because there is no excuse for not handling weapons safely. Suarez points out four rules that everyone should follow. 1. Treat all firearms as if they are loaded. 2. Don’t let your muzzle cover anything you’re not willing to destroy. 3. Keep your finger off the trigger until you’ve made a conscious decision to shoot. 4. Be sure of your target and what’s beyond it. Next Suarez goes into marksmanship fundamentals. It’s a succinct overview of the seven fundamentals of marksmanship he teaches. A complete novice may need more instruction in this area, but then a complete novice should get some first hand live instruction on the basics before learning the combat skills taught in these DVDs. The basics Suarez covers include grip, stance, gun alignment, sight alignment, sight picture, trigger control, and follow-through. Once these basics are covered, Suarez moves into ready positions. I liked his practical approach with different ready positions for different needs. He covers imminent threat ready positions, movement ready positions, and covert ready positions. Suarez teaches a four part drawstroke and goes into detail on how to best deploy your weapon for action. From there, he also covers how to reholster. This is something you will have to do many times to be as smooth as Suarez. Remember, speed will come with practice. Don’t try to rush learning to draw. Learn correctly, practice correctly, and speed will come. After teaching the above fundamentals, the DVDs gets into actual shooting. Suarez does a good job of covering live-fire basics such as weapons check, loading and unloading, and shooting basics. He then goes into multiple shots, instructing on the double tap and three and four shot shots per target. First he has you shooting from a stationary position using both the compressed contact ready and the close contact ready positions. Then the shooting becomes a bit more realistic for combat with the shooting on the move drills. Suarez does a good job instructing how to shoot wile moving forward, back, left and right. Once you have fired and your target it down, you can’t just stop. Suarez teaches his version of an after action assessment. He covers all the bases as he teaches to verify your target is out of the fight, look for other adversaries, make sure the area behind you is clear, make sure your weapon is still operational, and do a self-check for injury. Again, I felt he did an excellent job of explaining what to do and why. Still shooting on the move, he also covers attacks for the flanks. Basically it is the same drills, but from different angles. Volume one wraps up with instruction on the proactive reload and malfunction clearances. He covers failure to fire, failure to eject or stovepipe, and failure to extract. It is a good little primer on malfunction clearances, but many shooters will want to train more in this area and look to other drills and malfunctions as well. Volume 2 Volume two starts out with weapon transition drills. Suarez teaches that in the middle of a fight if your weapon does not work you don’t have time to figure out why and must go to your secondary weapon. From here he covers the trigger reset drill and failure to stop. (Your target does not go down, so you switch to a head shot.) After you can handle one target, Suarez teaches drills to handle multiple adversaries. He has a no nonsense proactive attitude that just may keep you alive if you ever face such dire circumstances. Another thing that may help keep you alive if you are ever in a gunfight is being able to shoot with your weak hand. Suarez teaches a couple drills to help you become proficient at this, including one hand draw, what to do when your pistol is dropped, and how to clear malfunctions with one hand. The reality is most people carrying a firearm will do so with a concealed carry. If you have not practiced drawing from a concealed carry, you won’t have the necessary skills when needed. Suarez covers the closed-front cover draw (two-handed), closed-front cover draw (one-handed), and the open front cover draw. He also covers extreme close-quarters shooting. This is within two yards of your opponent and where you may have to create distance using your support hand before shooting. The next drills taught can only be done with the proper training gear. Don’ t even attempt the force-on-force drills without adhering to the proper safety precautions. Suarez does a good job of emphasizing this, so pay attention. He uses Airsoft training weapons and provides a very good safety briefing. The drills he teaches involve gun v. knife and gun v. gun at various ranges. It is an eye opener to see what distances can be traveled in such short amounts of time. If you are not as proficient at drawing and firing as Suarez, you may find yourself being “killed” quite often in these drills until you become more proficient. The final lessons on volume two consist of using cover and shooting from inside a vehicle. The brief description of cover and when to move toward it and use it is very practical. One of the most important things to remember is to be sure what you’re using as cover will stop a bullet. Suarez points out that shooting from inside your vehicle is a last resort. He does teach how to draw and engage from inside your vehicle when no other option is available. Overall, I was impressed with this two DVD set. Suarez covers a lot of information, and he covers it well. Obviously the best training is live first hand training on the range from a qualified instructor. Sometimes the ideal is not always possible. The information in this set is presented in such a way that you can learn from it, and if you practice the drills safely at the range you will be more proficient at combat shooting. That proficiency might just save your life some day. Yours in Training, Alain www.burrese.com --__--__-- Message: 9 From: Ray Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Master Dan How to speak Korean To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Sat, 8 Apr 2006 18:10:14 -0700 (PDT) Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > I can't really recommend a program myself. All of my KMA instructors were > native Koreans, so I learned by just repeating what I heard. Whoops, sorry, I lied. Forgot that my very first KMA instructor (TSD) was American. Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang http://the-dojang.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/the_dojang Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and http://MartialArtsResource.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of The_Dojang Digest