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Boise Hapkido seminar (aburrese@aol.com) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: "WTSDA Bruce" To: Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Ninjutus Question Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2006 04:51:47 -0500 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I believe traditional MA systems hold on to the originating country by speaking the language in class(sometimes butchered), this shows respect. We start teaching the Korean language, as it relates to Tang Soo Do, to new students the minute they walk in the door. Bruce ----- Original Message ----- From: "dugy01" To: Sent: Sunday, April 16, 2006 9:36 PM Subject: [The_Dojang] Ninjutus Question > Ninjutsu Question. > > Why is it mandatory to learn Japanese when one learns Ninjutsu? > > Will there come a time when this won't be necessary?? Afterall, most of > us > are there to learn the skill. > > Does anyone here think it's absolutely neccesary to learn the language > too? > > As a beginner I find it time consuming. > > Any feedback is welcomed. > > Regards, > DOUGM > _______________________________________________ > The_Dojang mailing list, 2,100 members > The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource > Standard disclaimers apply > http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang --__--__-- Message: 2 From: "Joseph Cheavens" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Re: Yun Kwei-Byung/Shudokan 7th dan Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2006 08:13:30 -0500 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net In his article, Eric Maddis sites Len Losik, "The Jidokwan Way of Wisdom," Taekwondo Times, (2001, May), 74-78. for the the 7th Dan information on Yun Kwei-byung. Joe Cheavens   -------------------------------------------------------------------- From:  Ray Reply-To:  the_dojang@martialartsresource.net To:  the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject:  Re: [The_Dojang] Re: Yun Kwei-Byung/Shudokan 7th dan Date:  Fri, 14 Apr 2006 18:43:30 -0700 (PDT) > > "Jidokwan was an offshoot of Yoonmookwan and was > > founded by Yun Kwei-byung, who studied Shito-ryu from > > Mabuni Kenwa and Shudokan from Toyama Kanken, from > > whom he earned a 7th dan before returning to Korea > > (Maddis, 2002)." > > > > This is interesting. I know Yun Byung-In also trained > > with Toyama in Shudokan and is, in fact, listed as a > > Shihan for the style > > (http://www.wkf.org/shudokan.list.html). But GM Yun > > only had a 4th dan as the rankings in karate at the > > time only went up to 5th dan. Never the less, he was > > considered one of the top students of the style. > > > > I'd be interested in seeing information on Yun > > Kwei-Byung's 7th dan, if you can offer a source (I'm > > not a Ji Do Kwan member and have no emotional > > investment in this issue so please don't take it as > > anything more than curiosity). > >Right.  I've never seen 7th before.  Only references to 4th or 5th. > >Ray Terry >rterry@idiom.com >_______________________________________________ >The_Dojang mailing list, 2,100 members >The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net >Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource >Standard disclaimers apply >http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang --__--__-- Message: 3 Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] website Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2006 09:15:42 -0400 From: "Cayson, Clint" To: Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Hi Jye, I've seen Hyundai Sonata and Honda Accord (2005 or 2006) models on the streets of Florida. I think they have similarities. Who knows, they may have some corporate agreements and/or issues. Clint -----Original Message----- From: Jye nigma [mailto:kingjye@yahoo.com] Sent: Sunday, April 16, 2006 11:40 AM To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net; itf-taekwondo@yahoogroups.com Subject: [The_Dojang] website check this site out...I don't know if this stuff is true: http://www.asiafinest.com/forum/lofiversion/index.php/t41161-0.html --------------------------------- Blab-away for as little as 1¢/min. Make PC-to-Phone Calls using Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list, 2,100 members The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang --__--__-- Message: 4 From: "Joseph Cheavens" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Japanese Ban on Fighting Arts Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2006 08:27:41 -0500 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net When did the Ryukyuan King prohibit the use of martial weapons in Okinawa?  Was it prior to the defacto seizure of the Ryukyus by Satsuma-han in the early 17th Century?  It would be interesting if there was some documentation to show that the Choson court had instituted a ban of some kind. If the Choson court had instituted a ban, then the Japanese Government General of Choson would have most likely continued to enforce such a ban until Saito's reforms in the 1920 instituted a single penal code to cover both Koreans and Japanese. Joe Cheavens -------------------------------------------------------------------- From:  Ray Reply-To:  the_dojang@martialartsresource.net To:  the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject:  Re: [The_Dojang] Japanese Ban on Fighting Arts Date:  Sat, 15 Apr 2006 10:06:45 -0700 (PDT) > > "I don't think he would be in the camp of Korean revisionist history." > > > > I think the revisionist history would be to argue that there was not an > > official ban.  I have also read that there was a ban by the Choson Court > > under Kojong, but haven't seen any documentation, though. > >Isn't there a similar claim that the Japanese forbid the practice of martial >arts and use of martial weapons in Okinawa?  Yet that appears to not be the >case. > >The Ryukyu government/King prohibited that practice well prior to control >of the islands by the Japanese, yet the Japanese get the blame for the ban. > >Ray Terry >rterry@idiom.com >_______________________________________________ >The_Dojang mailing list, 2,100 members >The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net >Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource >Standard disclaimers apply >http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang --__--__-- Message: 5 From: "Joseph Cheavens" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] website Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2006 08:50:38 -0500 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net That has got to be one of the rudest discussion forums I've ever run across. Don't they have moderators? That said, pretty funny trying to claim that TKD is based on Taekyon. Joe Cheavens -------------------------------------------------------------------- From:  Jye nigma Reply-To:  the_dojang@martialartsresource.net To:  the_dojang@martialartsresource.net, itf-taekwondo@yahoogroups.com Subject:  [The_Dojang] website Date:  Sun, 16 Apr 2006 08:39:48 -0700 (PDT) >check this site out...I don't know if this stuff is true: http://www.asiafinest.com/forum/lofiversion/index.php/t41161-0.html > >--------------------------------- >Blab-away for as little as 1¢/min. Make  PC-to-Phone Calls using Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. >_______________________________________________ >The_Dojang mailing list, 2,100 members >The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net >Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource >Standard disclaimers apply >http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang --__--__-- Message: 6 From: "Joseph Cheavens" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] Ninjutus Question Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2006 09:19:15 -0500 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net If you don't learn Japanese, then how can you understand what the samurai say when you are sent to spy on them? Joe -------------------------------------------------------------------- From:  "dugy01" Reply-To:  the_dojang@martialartsresource.net To:   Subject:  [The_Dojang] Ninjutus Question Date:  Sun, 16 Apr 2006 22:36:20 -0400 >Ninjutsu Question. > >Why is it mandatory to learn Japanese when one learns Ninjutsu? > >Will there come a time when this won't be necessary??  Afterall, most of us >are there to learn the skill. > >Does anyone here think it's absolutely neccesary to learn the language too? > >As a beginner I find it time consuming. > >Any feedback is welcomed. > >Regards, >DOUGM >_______________________________________________ >The_Dojang mailing list, 2,100 members >The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net >Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource >Standard disclaimers apply >http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang --__--__-- Message: 7 From: "Gordon" To: Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2006 10:07:46 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] Learning Japanese Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net LOL! That was great! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! --__--__-- Message: 8 From: Ray Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Japanese Ban on Fighting Arts To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2006 09:31:52 -0700 (PDT) Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > When did the Ryukyuan King prohibit the use of martial weapons in > Okinawa? Was it prior to the defacto seizure of the Ryukyus by > Satsuma-han in the early 17th Century? As I recall, in the 15th or 16th century. Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 9 From: Ray Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Re: Yun Kwei-Byung/Shudokan 7th dan To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net (The_Dojang) Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2006 09:41:39 -0700 (PDT) Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > In his article, Eric Maddis sites Len Losik, "The Jidokwan Way of > Wisdom," Taekwondo Times, (2001, May), 74-78. for the the 7th Dan > information on Yun Kwei-byung. Len has been a rather prolific writer, but there have also been a great many apparent errors in his articles. It was good when he joined this forum as I knew he would be able to pick up a lot of good info. Len is reading this, so perhaps he will join in on the discussion of this topic and where his info re the above came from. Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 10 Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2006 12:55:08 -0400 (EDT) From: "Trevor R.F. Higgs" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] New School Search Feature Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I just wanted you all to know that MartialArts-101.com has released a new free school search feature that lets you search for Martial Arts Schools in and around your zip code and then shows you where they are via our Google maps interface. It is a free feature and includes over 14,000 locations. Check it out: http://www.martialarts-101.com/school_search.asp Trevor Higgs www.martialarts-101.com --__--__-- Message: 11 From: "Joseph Cheavens" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Japanese Ban on Fighting Arts Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2006 12:49:57 -0500 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I'm not a big expert on Okinawan history, but wouldn't Tokugawa Bakufu's ban on non-samurai carrying swords have applied to Okinawa after Satsuma-han took over in the early 17th Century? Or, since Satsuma-han's conquest of the Ryukyus was not officially sanctioned by the Bakufu, did Bukufu law not apply in Okinawa? Joe -------------------------------------------------------------------- From:  Ray Reply-To:  the_dojang@martialartsresource.net To:  the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject:  Re: [The_Dojang] Japanese Ban on Fighting Arts Date:  Mon, 17 Apr 2006 09:31:52 -0700 (PDT) > > When did the Ryukyuan King prohibit the use of martial weapons in > > Okinawa?  Was it prior to the defacto seizure of the Ryukyus by > > Satsuma-han in the early 17th Century? > >As I recall, in the 15th or 16th century. > >Ray Terry >rterry@idiom.com >_______________________________________________ >The_Dojang mailing list, 2,100 members >The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net >Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource >Standard disclaimers apply >http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang --__--__-- Message: 12 From: "Joseph Cheavens" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] New School Search Feature Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2006 13:13:43 -0500 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Is this something the schools register for?  Joe Cheavens -------------------------------------------------------------------- From:  "Trevor R.F. Higgs" Reply-To:  the_dojang@martialartsresource.net To:  the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject:  [The_Dojang] New School Search Feature Date:  Mon, 17 Apr 2006 12:55:08 -0400 (EDT) >I just wanted you all to know that MartialArts-101.com has released a new >free school search feature that lets you search for Martial Arts Schools >in and around your zip code and then shows you where they are via our >Google maps interface. It is a free feature and includes over 14,000 >locations. > >Check it out: >http://www.martialarts-101.com/school_search.asp > > > >Trevor Higgs >www.martialarts-101.com >_______________________________________________ >The_Dojang mailing list, 2,100 members >The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net >Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource >Standard disclaimers apply >http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang --__--__-- Message: 13 From: Ray Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] New School Search Feature To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2006 12:20:17 -0700 (PDT) Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net >http://www.martialarts-101.com/school_search.asp There is also "The Dojang Yellow Pages" at: http://mywebpages.comcast.net/apreston/Yellow.Pages.html Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 14 From: Ray Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Japanese Ban on Fighting Arts To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net (The_Dojang) Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2006 12:21:43 -0700 (PDT) Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > > When did the Ryukyuan King prohibit the use of martial weapons in > > Okinawa? Was it prior to the defacto seizure of the Ryukyus by > > Satsuma-han in the early 17th Century? > >As I recall, in the 15th or 16th century. Found it... 1477. King Sho Shin made the wearing of swords and possession of large quantities of weapons illegal throughout the Ryukyu Kingdom. Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 15 Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2006 15:26:12 -0700 From: The_Dojang To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] USAT Announces Price Reductions in CIDP Program Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net USAT Announces Price Reductions in CIDP Program April 17, 2006 USA Taekwondo has announced the following price reductions in the Coach Identification and Development Program seminar series. Any coach who has taken the AC course in 2006 and wishes to take the Level I course this year will receive a $75.00 credit toward the cost of the Level I seminar fee. The seminar fee was $375.00, which included the coaching pass fee of $60.00. Combined with this discount, the actual price of the Level I seminar is now $240.00. "The membership has spoken and we have listened," said USAT CEO David Askinas. "We discussed this issue at our recent Board of Directors meeting in Denver and we were in unanimous agreement that this was the right thing to do. The Board and I are in full support of the CIDP program but believed that we could take steps to soften the financial blow in 2006 for our loyal coaches. "The AC and Level I coaching seminars are the only mandatory seminars in the CIDP program. I want to re-emphasize that further coaching levels seminars will be strictly optional. "At this same time we are also introducing Phase I of our membership loyalty rewards program. This will be the beginning of an expanded Loyalty Rewards Program that will be unveiled later this year. We sometimes ask a lot of our members and in return we are intent on providing outstanding value back to our loyal USAT members." The membership plan will reward loyalty for being a USAT registered club that signs up students as USAT members. The incentives include: An additional Level I seminar discount of $100.00 to any registered club with 35 members. Enrolling 60 members earns you a free seminar. Enrolling 90 members gets you a free Level I seminar, a second Level I seminar at $150, pre-registration for your fighters at national events and qualifiers with a packet in your hotel room, and a VIP pass to event hospitality. Enrolling 120 members gets you two (2) free Level I seminars, a third one at $150.00, pre-registration as described above, VIP pass and a dedicated staff "concierge" to solve all of your problems at events. "We want to make doubly sure that you know how much we appreciate your membership," said Askinas. "We are working on development of an expanded Membership Loyalty Rewards program for 2007 and beyond that will be even more exciting for our membership." --__--__-- Message: 16 Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2006 19:06:15 -0400 From: aburrese@aol.com To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Boise Hapkido seminar Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Here is additional information regarding this coming weekend's Hapkido seminar in Boise. http://www.burrese.com/Personal_Security_&_Self_Defense/Seminars/2006_Boi se_Seminar_Flyer.htm Look forward to seeing some of you there, Alain www.burrese.com For Your Safety - For Your Success --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang http://the-dojang.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/the_dojang Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and http://MartialArtsResource.com Standard disclaimers apply. 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