Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 21:08:12 -0700 From: the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: The_Dojang digest, Vol 13 #175 - 12 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: kma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: The Internet's premier discussion forum on Korean Martial Arts. 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Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The Internet's premier discussion forum devoted to Korean Martial Arts. 2,100 members. See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of The_Dojang at http://MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! Today's Topics: 1. RE: Really Good Hapkido (Joseph Cheavens) 2. Kung jung moo sul (JR West) 3. Re OLD Guy (Beungood8@aol.com) 4. RE: Re OLD Guy (michael tomlinson) 5. Poomsae seminars (The_Dojang) 6. teaching MA to people with visual imparements. (craftgenius@juno.com) 7. Re: Ninjutus Question (steven riggs) 8. re: kung jung moo sool (Wes Heaps) 9. Re: teaching MA to people with visual imparements. (Tim) 10. Re: teaching MA to people with visual imparements. (Drew Burns) 11. RE: Ninjutus Question (Rick Clark) 12. video clip: man stabbed 9 times in 3 seconds (Jye nigma) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: "Joseph Cheavens" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] Really Good Hapkido Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 08:27:25 -0500 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Very cool. Thanks for sharing. Joe -------------------------------------------------------------------- From:  "michael tomlinson" Reply-To:  the_dojang@martialartsresource.net To:  the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject:  [The_Dojang] Really Good Hapkido Date:  Wed, 19 Apr 2006 02:14:29 +0000 >Check out this Hapkido video...this GM is VERY crisp....and >supposedly is pushing 80 years old!! >                                                                     >      Michael Tomlinson > >http://hapkido.re.kr/hapkido/3388/movie_138.wmv >_______________________________________________ >The_Dojang mailing list, 2,100 members >The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net >Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource >Standard disclaimers apply >http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang --__--__-- Message: 2 From: "JR West" To: Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 09:22:25 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] Kung jung moo sul Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Kung jung moo sul is a spin-off of Mr. Suh's Kuk Sool Won. During the 1980s, many Korean instructors became dissatisfied with the ever-changing financial requirements of the WKSA, so increasing numbers left to find their own pot of gold. Among them was one man in CA who took the name of one third of what Mr. Suh says his Kuk Sul is made of (sado mu sul, buldo mu sul and "koong joong moo sool") and started his own brand-new, exactly the same style........JRW www.hapkido.com --__--__-- Message: 3 From: Beungood8@aol.com Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 11:53:10 EDT To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Re OLD Guy Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net In a message dated 4/19/2006 6:02:09 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net writes: Check out this Hapkido video...this GM is VERY crisp....and supposedly is pushing 80 years old!! Michael Tomlinson http://hapkido.re.kr/hapkido/3388/movie_138.wmv Who is that guy and what Hapkido group is he from? --__--__-- Message: 4 From: "michael tomlinson" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] Re OLD Guy Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 17:07:46 +0000 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Not for sure what group...his partner at one point looks like he has a KHA patch on his uniform,, but I can't really tell...Holcombe Thomas stated that his name is GM Yoon and that Holcombe's teacher knew him and that he was in the Kwangju area....I think.....pretty good techniques... Michael Tomlinson >From: Beungood8@aol.com >Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net >To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net >Subject: [The_Dojang] Re OLD Guy >Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 11:53:10 EDT > >In a message dated 4/19/2006 6:02:09 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, >the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net writes: > >Check out this Hapkido video...this GM is VERY crisp....and supposedly is >pushing 80 years old!! > >Michael Tomlinson > >http://hapkido.re.kr/hapkido/3388/movie_138.wmv > > > > >Who is that guy and what Hapkido group is he from? >_______________________________________________ >The_Dojang mailing list, 2,100 members >The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net >Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource >Standard disclaimers apply >http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang --__--__-- Message: 5 Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 11:23:16 -0700 From: The_Dojang To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Poomsae seminars Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Three Int'l Poomsae Seminars Held in Stuttgart, Germany in March 18 Apr 2006 Three international poomsae seminars organized by the World Taekwondo Federation were held in Stuttgart, Germany, in March 2006. The 1st WTF International Poomsae Referee Refresher Course drew 33 students from 10 countries, while the 5th WTF International Poomsae Referee Seminar attracted another 33 students from 13 countries. The two seminars were held on March 15-18 at the Theaterhaus Stuttgart Siemensstr in the German city of Stuttgart. The 1st WTF International Poomsae Seminar for Coaches was also held at the same place on March 18-19, drawing 33 people from 12 countries. Among the instructors for the seminars were Mr. Jong-kwan Lee of Korea, Mr. Kyu-hyun Lee of Korea, Mr. Carlos Colmenero of Spain and Mr. Tong-wan Shin of Great Britain. On attendance at the seminars was Mr. Soo-nam Park, vice president of WTF and chairman of the WTF's ad-hoc Poomsae Committee. --__--__-- Message: 6 From: "craftgenius@juno.com" Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 18:29:20 GMT To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] teaching MA to people with visual imparements. Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Recently a student who is blind joined a one of the SBD classes in my area and the instructor had asked me about ways to be able to teach and allow that person to be able to participate without having another person next to them the whole time. We would like to have them be able to do sparing independently, and to know where the person is that they are sparing against. and also targets during kicking and punching drills. If anyone would have any suggestions that could help that would be great. Yong Gi Roller. ________________________________________________________________________ Try Juno Platinum for Free! Then, only $9.95/month! Unlimited Internet Access with 1GB of Email Storage. Visit http://www.juno.com/value to sign up today! --__--__-- Message: 7 Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 11:51:14 -0700 (PDT) From: steven riggs Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Ninjutus Question To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Under my first several instructors there was little Korean used. I believe the general feeling was that we were Americans living in an English speaking country. If I were to visit or especially live in a foreign country it would show respect to learn their language. There is a great controversy today over people coming to our country legally and illegally. One point of view held by many is that if you are going to move here then learn the language of the country you are living in. Why do we want to require a student to learn a language that has no relationship to their life now, in the future or their ability to learn. The use of any language in & of itself has no effect on the ability to teach, learn or develop skill. In my opinion teaching any language other than English while learning a martial arts has the potential to slow down the learning process. When any of us started, it was tough enough to learn to do a correct back stance, side kick etc. not including hearning an instructor speaking in a language that is almost uncomprehensible to us. My students come to me today with some language background in spanish, french, german latin etc. Not Korean or Japanese. These languages are so drastically different from one another as to make it a great challenge to learn them. I have begun increasing more instruction about the history and culture of the country's of origin but the language issue gets way to much attention. S C Riggs WTSDA Bruce wrote: I believe traditional MA systems hold on to the originating country by speaking the language in class(sometimes butchered), this shows respect. We start teaching the Korean language, as it relates to Tang Soo Do, to new students the minute they walk in the door. Bruce ----- Original Message ----- From: "dugy01" To: Sent: Sunday, April 16, 2006 9:36 PM Subject: [The_Dojang] Ninjutus Question > Ninjutsu Question. > > Why is it mandatory to learn Japanese when one learns Ninjutsu? > > Will there come a time when this won't be necessary?? Afterall, most of > us > are there to learn the skill. > > Does anyone here think it's absolutely neccesary to learn the language > too? > > As a beginner I find it time consuming. > > Any feedback is welcomed. > > Regards, > DOUGM > _______________________________________________ > The_Dojang mailing list, 2,100 members > The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource > Standard disclaimers apply > http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list, 2,100 members The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang --------------------------------- Love cheap thrills? Enjoy PC-to-Phone calls to 30+ countries for just 2˘/min with Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. --__--__-- Message: 8 Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 12:22:10 -0700 (PDT) From: Wes Heaps To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] re: kung jung moo sool Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net mark please email me personally wesheaps@yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com --__--__-- Message: 9 From: "Tim" To: Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] teaching MA to people with visual imparements. Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 17:51:05 -0400 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I have a friend who is blind. I can tell you that you will be amazed at what they can do even without seeing. They will know their opponents position based on hearing and feeling. If a blind martial artist gets a hold of you, they could easily end up the victor. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2006 2:29 PM Subject: [The_Dojang] teaching MA to people with visual imparements. > Recently a student who is blind joined a one of the SBD classes in my area > and > the instructor had asked me about ways to be able to teach and allow that > person to be able to participate without having another person next to > them > the whole time. We would like to have them be able to do sparing > independently, and to know where the person is that they are sparing > against. > and also targets during kicking and punching drills. If anyone would have > any > suggestions that could help that would be great. > Yong Gi Roller. > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > Try Juno Platinum for Free! Then, only $9.95/month! > Unlimited Internet Access with 1GB of Email Storage. > Visit http://www.juno.com/value to sign up today! > _______________________________________________ > The_Dojang mailing list, 2,100 members > The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource > Standard disclaimers apply > http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang --__--__-- Message: 10 From: "Drew Burns" To: Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] teaching MA to people with visual imparements. Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 08:13:28 +1000 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Don't know if these will be very helpfull but they are a few links I found online for your search. I work in the disability field so I will have a look around at work today and maybe post something else today. Regards, Drew http://www.blindesprodukter.no/default.asp?te=1504&id=1212 http://www.chinastrategies.com/blindwkshp.htm http://www.judoinfo.com/blind1.htm http://www.britishblindsport.org.uk/martial_txt.htm > Recently a student who is blind joined a one of the SBD classes in my area and > the instructor had asked me about ways to be able to teach and allow that > person to be able to participate without having another person next to them > the whole time. We would like to have them be able to do sparing > independently, and to know where the person is that they are sparing against. > and also targets during kicking and punching drills. If anyone would have any > suggestions that could help that would be great. --__--__-- Message: 11 Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 18:14:54 -0500 From: "Rick Clark" Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] Ninjutus Question To: Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net >>From: "dugy01" >Sent: Sunday, April 16, 2006 9:36 PM >Subject: [The_Dojang] Ninjutus Question >> Ninjutsu Question. >> >> Why is it mandatory to learn Japanese when one learns Ninjutsu? OK - strange enough question about a Japanese martial art on a KMA list. But fair enough its generated quite a bit of discussion and that's always interesting. >From: steven riggs [mailto:stevencriggs@yahoo.com] >Under my first several instructors there was little Korean used. I believe the general feeling was that we were Americans >living in an English speaking country. If I were to visit or especially live in a foreign country it would show respect to >learn their language. There is a great controversy today over people coming to our country legally and illegally. One point >of view held by many is that if you are going to move here then learn the language of the country you are living in. Why >do we want to require a student to learn a language that has no relationship to their life now, in the future or their >ability to learn. The use of any language in & of itself has no effect on the ability to teach, learn or develop skill. In >my opinion teaching any language other than English while learning a martial arts has the potential to slow down the learning process. There is no real necessity to learn an oriental language when you study any of the martial arts. However if you listen to a baseball game in Japan you will hear a lot of Japanese then "home run", "safe", "strike", etc. If you study fencing you will pick up a bit of French - not much but a bit. I suspect you will hear bits and pieces of the native language of the home country of the sport you are practicing. So learning some terms and such in Hapkido, Aikido, Karate, Tae Kwon Do, Judo etc. is probably going to be a natural occurrence. >When any of us started, it was tough enough to learn to do a correct back stance, side kick etc. not including Here is an interesting point - you are writing and say back stance, side kick and I have not one bit of difficulty in understanding what you are saying or what you mean. I'll be willing to bet you a dollar if people would send in the Korean name of just these two terms we would have several different words given. > hearning an instructor speaking in a language that is almost uncomprehensible to us. My students come to me today with some >language background in spanish, french, german latin etc. Not Korean or Japanese. These languages are so drastically >different from one another as to make it a great challenge to learn them. I have begun increasing more instruction about >the history and culture of the country's of origin but the language issue gets way to much attention. In my opinion language, history, culture of the home country of a martial art is relatively minor. Is it important to some? Sure and IF we are instructors we should have a rather strong knowledge base in our art. I'll go one further we should have a good knowledge base in the terms, history, and culture of other martial arts as well. BUT - that's not important for the 12 or 13 year old who can't walk, talk, and chew bubble gum at the same time. I think the time in class should be on learning martial arts, that's what they are there for and what they are paying for. You don't see a sign out front - "LEARN KOREAN LANGUAGE - LEARN KOREAN HISTORY - LEARN KOREAN CULTURE". If it was out there I'd wager that not many people would walk in the door. People come into the dochang / dojo to learn martial arts or self defense. They may say I want to lose weight, get fitter, gain flexibility but in my not so humble opinion the real reason is to learn some self-defense. If they want weight loss, send them to weight watchers, flexibility to Yoga, get fit to the gym. Heck if you are running a professional martial arts school you can offer classes in Yoga, or fitness classes, or host a weight watchers group (or something similar). But if you have scheduled an hour to teach martial arts then teach martial arts for an hour. Not language for 2 minutes, history for 2 minutes, culture 2 minutes, physical fitness 5 minutes, flexibility 5 minutes, oriental religion 2 minutes, take a minute to line up bow mediate, end the class with another couple of minutes to bow, meditate, clap your hands. Just how much time is left over to teach martial arts? Why worry about language, history, culture, until a person has the physical stuff under their belt. You can teach a class just fine with side kick, front kick, reverse punch, side break fall, back break fall, jump YXZ kick, ready, start, stop. . . . . . . > S C Riggs Ok enough material to get flamed for a while :-) Rick Clark "I am not young enough to know everything." - Oscar Wilde www.ao-denkou-kai.org --__--__-- Message: 12 Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 20:55:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Jye nigma To: MartialArtsTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: [The_Dojang] video clip: man stabbed 9 times in 3 seconds Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net http://shbbs.soufun.com/1210001860~-1/23461010_23461010.htmlATM --------------------------------- Love cheap thrills? Enjoy PC-to-Phone calls to 30+ countries for just 2˘/min with Yahoo! 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