Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2006 03:01:11 -0700 From: the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: The_Dojang digest, Vol 13 #177 - 13 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: kma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: The Internet's premier discussion forum on Korean Martial Arts. 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Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The Internet's premier discussion forum devoted to Korean Martial Arts. 2,100 members. See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of The_Dojang at http://MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! Today's Topics: 1. Teaching to visually impaired (Curt McCauley) 2. Forms interpretation: to self defense applications (Jye nigma) 3. Re: Forms interpretation: to self defense applications (Matt Munson) 4. RE: Forms interpretation: to self defense applications (Rick Clark) 5. Forms interpretation (Gordon) 6. kung jung mu sul (mark scianna) 7. Re: Forms interpretation: to self defense applications (Jye nigma) 8. Re: teaching MA to people with visual imparements (ChunjiDo@aol.com) 9. Re: Really Good Hapkido (Ray) 10. Re: Really Good Hapkido (michael tomlinson) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: "Curt McCauley" To: Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 21:10:22 -0700 Subject: [The_Dojang] Teaching to visually impaired Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Hello to all, I have a blind student. He is missing one eye completely and can detect motion with the other, he sometime uses a guide dog and others his cane. He is also partially deaf. He will be testing for Sam Dan in Soo Bahk Do© Moo Duk Kwan© next month, he and his wife ( also Sam Dan candidate) now have their own studio with over 40 students. It has been a pleasure to teach him, because I learned a lot from him. I would be happy to share information with any one who is interested. In the Martial Arts, Curt McCauley curt@channeltownkarate.com "Recently a student who is blind joined a one of the SBD classes in my area and the instructor had asked me about ways to be able to teach and allow that person to be able to participate without having another person next to them the whole time. We would like to have them be able to do sparing independently, and to know where the person is that they are sparing against. and also targets during kicking and punching drills. If anyone would have any suggestions that could help that would be great." --__--__-- Message: 2 Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 10:26:02 -0700 (PDT) From: Jye nigma To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Forms interpretation: to self defense applications Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Does anyone take their forms apart and train self defense applications from the form? Hope I asked that correctly. Jye --------------------------------- How low will we go? Check out Yahoo! Messenger’s low PC-to-Phone call rates. --__--__-- Message: 3 Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 11:07:02 -0700 (PDT) From: Matt Munson Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Forms interpretation: to self defense applications To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Yes. I make it a habit to continually ask students how a given technique from the patterns could apply in self-defense. In my humble opinion, I think this is essential in traditional martial arts training. Otherwise, patterns are just a series of static movements strung together. When we can actually visualize how the technique can be used realistically, we become that much more effective in the patterns. Matt Jye nigma wrote: Does anyone take their forms apart and train self defense applications from the form? Hope I asked that correctly. Jye --------------------------------- How low will we go? Check out Yahoo! Messenger’s low PC-to-Phone call rates. _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list, 2,100 members The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang --------------------------------- New Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Call regular phones from your PC and save big. --__--__-- Message: 4 Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 13:10:16 -0500 From: "Rick Clark" Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] Forms interpretation: to self defense applications To: Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Hi Jye, >From: Jye nigma [mailto:kingjye@yahoo.com] > >Does anyone take their forms apart and train self defense applications from the form? Hope I asked that correctly. > > Jye In a simple answer yes. In my opinion forms define the system of martial art you practice and the applications you would most likely use in a self defense situation. Gichin Funakoshi said something like - if you don't understand the applications of the forms you might as well be dancing. The problem that most of us have encountered over the years is that the applications that have been taught have been unrealistic. I have a few articles up on my web site that might be of interest to you. Rick Clark "I am not young enough to know everything." - Oscar Wilde www.ao-denkou-kai.org --__--__-- Message: 5 From: "Gordon" To: Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 14:41:30 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] Forms interpretation Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net We don't actually take them apart. We demonstrate what is happening while going through the pattern. When first teaching a pattern, we have multiple attackers around the one person doing the pattern. So when they low block, their attacker is giving them a front kick to block. When they swing their arm in a circular motion, their attacker has grabbed them and they break the hold with the circular movement. We get a lot of "oh's" when stuff like this is shown. Gordon Okerstrom --__--__-- Message: 6 Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 15:38:49 -0500 (GMT-05:00) From: mark scianna To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] kung jung mu sul Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Thanks everyone for your responses Chris, I have tried a couple of classes, and so far I have not been dissapointed. Some of the forms are identical, some, like Kicho Hyung, have small differences. There are some technique sets that are different, but the ones that are the same, such as ki bon soo, eu bok soo, etc, are also identical. Charles Dudley is the 4th dan school owner, he tells me he reached brown belt in KSW in the 70's but has been with the KJMS org ever since. I don't get the impession, at least so far, that it is a mcdojang. Mark --__--__-- Message: 7 Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 13:47:02 -0700 (PDT) From: Jye nigma Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Forms interpretation: to self defense applications To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net So let me ask, in your respective arts, have the forms movements been explained? When I learned a butterfly swords form, I learned the entire form first then the teacher took each segment from the form and taught the self defense apps straight from the form in a 2 man set. Have your forms been broken down and explained like that? In both of my TKD schools, the forms movements were never broken down like that. Jye Matt Munson wrote: Yes. I make it a habit to continually ask students how a given technique from the patterns could apply in self-defense. In my humble opinion, I think this is essential in traditional martial arts training. Otherwise, patterns are just a series of static movements strung together. When we can actually visualize how the technique can be used realistically, we become that much more effective in the patterns. Matt Jye nigma wrote: Does anyone take their forms apart and train self defense applications from the form? Hope I asked that correctly. Jye --------------------------------- How low will we go? Check out Yahoo! Messenger’s low PC-to-Phone call rates. _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list, 2,100 members The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang --------------------------------- New Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Call regular phones from your PC and save big. _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list, 2,100 members The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang --------------------------------- Love cheap thrills? Enjoy PC-to-Phone calls to 30+ countries for just 2¢/min with Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. --__--__-- Message: 8 From: ChunjiDo@aol.com Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 17:27:29 EDT To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: teaching MA to people with visual imparements Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Recently a student who is blind joined a one of the SBD classes in my area and the instructor had asked me about ways to be able to teach and allow that person to be able to participate without having another person next to them the whole time. We would like to have them be able to do sparing independently, and to know where the person is that they are sparing against. and also targets during kicking and punching drills. If anyone would have any suggestions that could help that would be great. Yong Gi Roller. ---------------------------- i recently posted this to another list: we do limited vision work, no blind students yet, but its with the intention of not having the use of your sight. we work "the box". using a wavemaster or partner, a student works their way around the WM/partner, not really losing contact with them. the student works on all strikes and low kicks. an example we use is that youre in the dark and dont want to lose your attacker once youve been attacked and have "committed" to attacking back. we circle the WM/partner, always a hand or some part of the body touching it. with the partner, we start it out with eyes open, the partner basically staying still. then, eyes closed, partner staying still. then, eyes closed, partner starting to move so there's some realism as the partner is trying to move away from the attack-back. the student has to stay with them which can be quite a challenge without the use of sight. hope this helps, melinda Chajonshim Martial Arts Academy _www.cjmaa.com_ (http://www.cjmaa.com/) 1.573.673.2769 Chajonshim Martial Arts Supply _www.cjmas.com_ (http://www.cjmas.com/) 1.877.847.4072 --__--__-- Message: 9 From: Ray Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Really Good Hapkido To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 18:34:15 -0700 (PDT) Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > Check out this Hapkido video...this GM is VERY crisp....and supposedly is > pushing 80 years old!! Gm West tells me that this fellow is actually 72 years of age. Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 10 From: "michael tomlinson" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Really Good Hapkido Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2006 02:07:02 +0000 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Does anyone know who, what, and where he learned his Hapkido?? Michael Tomlinson >From: Ray >Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net >To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net >Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Really Good Hapkido >Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 18:34:15 -0700 (PDT) > > > Check out this Hapkido video...this GM is VERY crisp....and supposedly >is > > pushing 80 years old!! > >Gm West tells me that this fellow is actually 72 years of age. > >Ray Terry >rterry@idiom.com >_______________________________________________ >The_Dojang mailing list, 2,100 members >The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net >Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource >Standard disclaimers apply >http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang http://the-dojang.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/the_dojang Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and http://MartialArtsResource.com Standard disclaimers apply. 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