Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2006 03:01:15 -0700 From: the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: The_Dojang digest, Vol 13 #186 - 4 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: kma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: The Internet's premier discussion forum on Korean Martial Arts. 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Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The Internet's premier discussion forum devoted to Korean Martial Arts. 2,100 members. See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of The_Dojang at http://MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! Today's Topics: 1. Re: forms interpretation (Jye nigma) 2. Re: Rank that smelled rank (Jye nigma) 3. Re: Rank that smelled rank (Luc Nguyen) 4. RE: Bobsled fed ties the USTU (Joseph Cheavens) --__--__-- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 19:18:36 -0700 (PDT) From: Jye nigma Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] forms interpretation To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net The only thing is in chinese arts the combat apps from forms are taught all the time. There are schools of TKD that don't teach the combat apps from the forms, or better started, they don't teach the meaning of movements in forms. Jye instructor@realtaekwondo.com wrote: Just like in Chinese Martial Arts, in Taekwondo, if you don't know how to interpret the forms to combat applications then you don't know that system/art. Master Eddie Urbistondo _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list, 2,100 members The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang --------------------------------- Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. PC-to-Phone calls for ridiculously low rates. --__--__-- Message: 2 Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 19:31:20 -0700 (PDT) From: Jye nigma Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Rank that smelled rank To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net In a sense it makes sense to me. You can do the same at college. But what I feel should happen is the same thing that happens in college, when you double up on time, the course intensefies. So when a person plans to reach a dan level by an estimated time, the intensity of training and the training material should increase. I think we many times frown upon the idea of granting a level by an estimated time. But I feel that if a person can grasp the concepts that are being taught, and they can grasp the physical elements and perform them at the required level then there should be no problem with granting them the next belt level. Jye Gordon wrote: When I was six months away from 3rd Dan, I had a fellow student that was 4 plus years behind me in rank (he had just received 1st Dan) tell me that since he trained 6 days a week now, he would shorten his time training. In his words; "If I train only twice a week, it would take me 2 years to get to 2nd Dan but, if I train 6 days a week, I can shorten this to only one year." I told him that I didn't think that was right but, I let it go as ego on my part or him just strutting in front of me. Since this made me think less of him, I avoided his conversations for a while. (After all, I was busy training hard, building my stamina for the upcoming test) -a shameful excuse but still true. Sure enough, in a year's time he tested for 2nd Dan. Although I respected my Sah Bum Nim (still do, a good man) at the time, I felt cheated. He got in one year, what took me 2 and a half years. Has anyone else heard of this? Train more often - equals - shorten your time requirement? Gordon Okerstrom _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list, 2,100 members The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang --------------------------------- Talk is cheap. Use Yahoo! Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great rates starting at 1¢/min. --__--__-- Message: 3 From: "Luc Nguyen" To: Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 23:56:09 -0400 Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: Rank that smelled rank Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I think that time in rank should only be a guideline. We should focus more on the ability of the invidual, the maturity, the skill set, and how s/he compare with other “x Dan” out there. I see it like a 4 year college degree doesn’t have to be completed in 4 years. It can be 5 or 3 years depending on the individual ability. It’s not fair for the invidual who works hard and complete all the requirements and not allowed to advance or graduate just because s/he has not been in college for 4 years yet. Actually in MAs more than in college, we should promote the individual who worked hard, completed the curriculum early because it looks bad to have a 1st Dan beat up a 2nd Dan in sparring every day, can perform the pattern better, have a better attitude, etc. That 1st Dan should be promoted ahead of time, if for nothing else than to set an example for others to work harder. What other reason are there to keep this 1st Dan from being promoted except to make more money off him/her? LTN > >From: "Gordon" >To: >Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 09:35:06 -0500 >Subject: [The_Dojang] Rank that smelled rank >Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > >When I was six months away from 3rd Dan, I had a fellow student that was 4 plus years behind me in rank (he >had just received 1st Dan) tell me that since he trained 6 days a week now, he would shorten his time >training. In his words; "If I train only twice a week, it would take me 2 years to get to 2nd Dan but, if I >train 6 days a week, I can shorten this to only one year." >I told him that I didn't think that was right but, I let it go as ego on my part or him just strutting in >front of me. Since this made me think less of him, I avoided his conversations for a while. (After all, I >was busy training hard, building my stamina for the upcoming test) -a shameful excuse but still true. Sure >enough, in a year's time he tested for 2nd Dan. >Although I respected my Sah Bum Nim (still do, a good man) at the time, I felt cheated. He got in one year, >what took me 2 and a half years. Has anyone else heard of this? Train more often - equals - shorten your >time requirement? > >Gordon Okerstrom > -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.4.6/324 - Release Date: 4/25/2006 --__--__-- Message: 4 From: "Joseph Cheavens" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] Bobsled fed ties the USTU Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 23:47:32 -0500 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I've been out of the loop on a ot of this scandal stuf. What happened with the USTU? I noticed recently that there was a name change. Also, whats the dope on the scandals at the Kukkiwon? Joe Cheavens >From: The_Dojang >Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net >To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net >Subject: [The_Dojang] Bobsled fed ties the USTU >Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 19:12:11 -0700 > >USOC temporarily takes over bobsled/skeleton federation >Posted 4/26/2006 > >DENVER (AP) The board of the U.S. Bobsled and Skeleton Federation >voted Tuesday to accept an overhaul and temporary takeover by the U.S. >Olympic Committee, a result of the many problems the federation has >endured over the several months. > >During and immediately before the Torino Olympics, the federation was >hit hard by sexual harassment allegations against former skeleton >coach Tim Nardiello and the drug-related suspension of men's skeleton >racer Zach Lund for a banned substance in a hair-restoration product >he was using. > >[snip] > >This marks only the second time the USOC has been pushed to the >drastic step of essentially taking over a sport's governing body. The >other time was with the U.S. Taekwondo Union in 2004. >_______________________________________________ >The_Dojang mailing list, 2,100 members >The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net >Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource >Standard disclaimers apply >http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang http://the-dojang.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/the_dojang Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and http://MartialArtsResource.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of The_Dojang Digest