Date: Wed, 03 May 2006 20:38:45 -0700 From: the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: The_Dojang digest, Vol 13 #196 - 10 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: kma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: The Internet's premier discussion forum on Korean Martial Arts. 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Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The Internet's premier discussion forum devoted to Korean Martial Arts. 2,100 members. See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of The_Dojang at http://MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! Today's Topics: 1. Hidden Meanings in Hyung - Chon Ji (Frank Clay) 2. Re: The_Dojang digest, small circle jujitsu (tkdgalsamm@aol.com) 3. Small Circle Jujitsu (David Weller) 4. Wally Jay & Small Circle (firstpe315@aol.com) 5. Re: Successful commercial school (imakikr) 6. Small Circle Jujitsu (Gladewater SooBahkDo) 7. RE: Wally Jay & Small Circle (michael tomlinson) 8. Discrimination in Children (BJ Pritchett) 9. video clip: footwork (Jye nigma) 10. CS Kim hosts event (The_Dojang) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: "Frank Clay" To: Date: Wed, 3 May 2006 07:15:21 -0400 Subject: [The_Dojang] Hidden Meanings in Hyung - Chon Ji Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I was giving this some thought this morning and while there are certain combinations that can be put together to form more complex, compound movements if you will, there are also times when a block is just a block. When I learned the basics of hyung I was taught that there are no secrets in hyung, only that your understanding matures. I think that if we look for secret techniques then we are missing the point. Forms were not only meant to help us workout and ingrain muscle memory with various skill sets but to also stimulate us. If I do a billion low blocks for example, that neural response becomes highly conditions and almost reflexive. If I have done it only a few times, I will not be as fast or as strong. This is basic physiology. But I do need to correct one thing... there is one secret to hyung. The "boring" repetition does cause you to eventually face the only opponent of true value. This opponent is the self. Use the tools at your disposal to control this opponent and you are well on the path. For those who are not sabom or kwanjang on this list, don't mistake this for mastery. While it may be self-mastery it does not mean you are a failure or fraud. This could be extrapolated as the battle referred to in the 10 Article of Faith on Mental Training or the Tenth Tenet of Taekwondo, depending on your discipline. Master is only a hat we wear and truthfully it just means that I have been a student for a decent amount of time. Master is not the end, nor is the black belt. Death is. As long you keep this in mind, you are likely to find many "secrets" in hyung and many more useful applications. In closing remember that the martial arts themselves began in the Stone Age. The have been refined and codified over time. While the modern Korean arts are only about 50 years old in their current form, they have much older roots. This is important because you cannot take by theft what it has taken the Orient millennia to develop, and you are not entitled because you pay a few greenbacks monthly. Tuition must be pain in blood sweat and tears. No exceptions. For what it's worth, I hope this helps you. Frank Clay --__--__-- Message: 2 Date: Wed, 03 May 2006 09:43:17 -0400 From: tkdgalsamm@aol.com To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: The_Dojang digest, small circle jujitsu Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I have had the honor of attending a seminar taught by Professor Wally Jay. It is not related to Korean Martial Arts. It is VERY effective. The seminar I attended, Professor Jay was in to his 80s and he performed and taught with grace and ease. It was also readily apparent that he LOVES to teach as he was always showing someone something, even during breaks and after class. When his techniques were applied to a couple of non-believers, let's just say they were quickly "brought around" to his way of thinking LOL! Can anyone say tap tap tap TAP TAP TAP TAP TAP TAP TAP TAP TAP!!!!! :-) Respectfully, Loretta <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< Message: 3 From: dave weller Date: Mon, 1 May 2006 13:08:31 -0500 To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Small circle jujitsu Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Can anyone give any insight into small circle jujitsu? Is it related to Korean Martial arts in any way? Effectiveness? --__--__-- Message: 3 From: David Weller Date: Wed, 3 May 2006 08:57:02 -0500 To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Small Circle Jujitsu Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Thanks to Dakin, Master Kay and Rick (I want you to know how funny it feels to use first names to reply to those who are obviously my seniors in training, but I know you guys insist, so.... ) I picked up Wally Jay's book "Small Circle Jujitsu" on a recent trip to stave off hotel and plane boredom. I saw some nice self defense techniques that looked very similar to things we already learn in the self defense part of our TKD training. I intend on sharing it with my teacher (and knowing him he is already aware of the techniques, the man never seems to run out of stuff to teach...) and the other black belts in our school and hopefully we can pick up and add a few things to our training and inflict some pain on each other! Then we can add "jujitsu" to the sign out front. The reason I asked about any connection to KMA was because I noticed in a number of the pictures, Prof. Jay had his index finger pointing out like I have seen on Hapkido patches and in pix and videos on the net. This is called the "KI Finger " in Hapkido, right??? I just thought maybe there was some sort of connection. But I am NOT Hapkido, just an interested observer, so forgive my ignorance. Thanks Gentlemen, I appreciate the information!! You guys are full of it! ;) dave On May 3, 2006, at 5:00 AM, the_dojang- request@martialartsresource.net wrote: > I just taught some of the Small Circle Jujitsu > concepts and jont locks in my TaeKwonDo classes last week. They > loved it; > and it is efective, particularly if someone is grabbing or reaching > for you. --__--__-- Message: 4 Date: Wed, 03 May 2006 13:52:46 -0400 From: firstpe315@aol.com To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Wally Jay & Small Circle Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Camp Danzan Ryu's were always fun...instructors from different arts from all over teaching workshops. A format largely lost...unfortunately! (Some still do though and kudos to them) But, although he put a name to it and popularized it. The theory and application of such have been around for a very long time. Hapkido uses these elements in it's Hoshinsool. In fact, the idea of taking up slack and filling space (either torso, body or what have you) are paramount to our techniques working well. These are not new concepts and were not created by Wally Jay. Nonetheless...he was pretty impressive. My only concern, that guy who doesn't mind his finger getting broke to get better position (or his cuticle getting pressed on...another SCJJ hallmark technique). I have a friend who is a SWAT member and he used to talk about the guys he would arrest and some of his altercations. He told one story about a guy who he was fighting with in which he got his arm behind his back and was telling him to calm or he would break his arm...the guy said "go ahead, break my arm". Granted, the arm may be useless, but people can still fight. Hope you got something else than breaking a finger behind you...just my thoughts. Jeff Oregon --__--__-- Message: 5 From: "imakikr" To: Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Successful commercial school Date: Wed, 3 May 2006 11:53:02 -0700 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I agree that there are problems with the balance between remaining profitable as a school owner and not appearing to be in the martial arts just for the money. Ask most school owners and you will find they don't really make as much as they should. I think that many school owners, are taken advantage of by students because the school owners have incorporated the tenents of TKD or their martial arts creeds into their lives and try to be good giving people. The problem comes in not recognizing the difference between being a good giving person to someone honestly in need and someone who just nickle and dimes everyone. I eventually came to realize after being beaten over the head with it finacially that we really don't want every potential student. If that student or parent is more of a negative drain on our school, financially, or emoitionally, then refer them to your competitor that has been the biggest pain in your backside. Two things will happen: 1.) your competitor that has been so difficult may be a little easier to get along with and somewhat confused about you sending him, or her business and, 2.) you will have given them the sponge to deal with and keep them busy putting out fires you don't want or need. It took me along time to realize that there were people I really did not want in my school. For some who do not own a school or do not devote full time to a school because they have another job that provides adequate income, it is easier for them to accuse full time schools of loosing the true perspective. Actually the perspective is, if you can't pay your bills there won't be a school. Another thing I learned that was invaluable to me was that I did not need to be the cheapest in price, in fact that can work against you giving the perception that you are the cheapest because you are the worst. People usually think that someone is more expensive because they are the best. The main thing you have to do is make sure you have a quality program and that will justify and give value to your price, if not you may have a hard time keeping classes full for free. Sorry to be so long winded, just thought it might help to share some thoughts after years of learning it the hard way. Good luck in training, Master Kay, or (Master K, or Sean K) which ever you prefer. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alida" To: Sent: Friday, April 28, 2006 6:56 AM Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Successful commercial school > It is very easy to take advantage of someone's good and giving nature, and > there are too many people who are only too willing to do so. > > We currently have a situation that we're trying to figure out how to > address > Part of it stems from our owner's decision to allow the 4th family member > to train for free. However, we now have a family that has five members > training, from the preschool program through the adults, and they are > there > six days a week. I would like to see the fee schedule overhauled, and > that > is something else being discussed this weekend, but how do you go about > making a major change like that without losing many students immediately? > > Alida > > > -------Original Message------- > > From: Master Lugo > Date: 04/28/06 09:22:06 > To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > Subject: [The_Dojang] Successful commercial school > > Its always interesting how does who never taken the plunge to own and > operate a school take the high horse and scream "SELLING OUT" to school > owner's. I teach full time and find it very challenging on some months to > make ends meet, nevertheless I always try to give back to the community > with > discounted prices. Then again, students take advantage of the school and > my > good nature by sometimes not fulfilling their responsibilities. > > I now do not give anyone a free or low cost ride, if you want to train > with > me at my school you will have to pay! You want a discount go to the other > nearest school , I'm sure in no time they will go out of business. > _______________________________________________ > The_Dojang mailing list, 2,100 members > The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource > Standard disclaimers apply > http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.5.1/326 - Release Date: 4/27/2006 > _______________________________________________ > The_Dojang mailing list, 2,100 members > The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource > Standard disclaimers apply > http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang --__--__-- Message: 6 From: "Gladewater SooBahkDo" To: "the_dojang" Date: Wed, 3 May 2006 13:20:24 -0700 Subject: [The_Dojang] Small Circle Jujitsu Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net All well said about Proffessor Jay and the Small Circle Theory. The key is a two way action. JCGet more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com --__--__-- Message: 7 From: "michael tomlinson" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] Wally Jay & Small Circle Date: Wed, 03 May 2006 20:47:16 +0000 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net You know that is a good point...take football for instance...IF you took yourself out of a game because of a broken finger you would get it taped and keep playing...same with knees,,elbows... etc...the mindset of "I will not stop or quit" IMHO is something that many people underestimate...strong willpower can nullify a bunch of other stuff...I've never met any teammate I have ever played ball with that would stop because of a broken finger...I had one teamate that broke his wrist pretty badly and had a cast put on it and couldn't play...two weeks later he soaked it in the bathtub and sawed it off..."I helped him with the saw",,,he forged a doctors letter saying he was better....he played everyday for a month at Nose Guard...cried every practice because of the pain for a solid MONTH....but never would quit...finally the coaches checked with his doctor and found out what he had done....Yeah...try breaking Billy Dixon's finger to get him to stop...nope...wouldn't work... Michael Tomlinson >From: firstpe315@aol.com >Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net >To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net >Subject: [The_Dojang] Wally Jay & Small Circle >Date: Wed, 03 May 2006 13:52:46 -0400 > >Camp Danzan Ryu's were always fun...instructors from different arts from >all over teaching workshops. A format largely lost...unfortunately! (Some >still do though and kudos to them) > >But, although he put a name to it and popularized it. The theory and >application of such have been around for a very long time. Hapkido uses >these elements in it's Hoshinsool. In fact, the idea of taking up slack >and filling space (either torso, body or what have you) are paramount to >our techniques working well. > >These are not new concepts and were not created by Wally Jay. > >Nonetheless...he was pretty impressive. > >My only concern, that guy who doesn't mind his finger getting broke to get >better position (or his cuticle getting pressed on...another SCJJ hallmark >technique). I have a friend who is a SWAT member and he used to talk about >the guys he would arrest and some of his altercations. He told one story >about a guy who he was fighting with in which he got his arm behind his >back and was telling him to calm or he would break his arm...the guy said >"go ahead, break my arm". Granted, the arm may be useless, but people can >still fight. Hope you got something else than breaking a finger behind >you...just my thoughts. > >Jeff >Oregon >_______________________________________________ >The_Dojang mailing list, 2,100 members >The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net >Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource >Standard disclaimers apply >http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang --__--__-- Message: 8 From: "BJ Pritchett" To: Date: Wed, 3 May 2006 18:15:24 -0700 Subject: [The_Dojang] Discrimination in Children Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net All, I instruct a youth class and recently had a young African-American child join my class. I think I have a case of discrimination going on at the child level and am unsure how to address it. I should point out that I tend to be very direct, and not always real diplomatic, hence my looking for input. This student has attended approximately 4 classes. She has made comments in class such as "Why do I have to stand next to the white girl?" (her exact words). I told her that we lined up in belt order and because she was a beginner white belt, she would stand next to the other white belts. On another class she told me it was not fair that I had a black belt because I was a white person and her brother's last instructor was black, so he had a black belt. (She and her brother joined up for class together, he has prior experience, she is new). I explained to her that I had trained for a really long time and earned my black belt and that was why I had it. Last but not least, I always close my classes by asking does anyone have any questions or concerns before we close class. This little girl raised her hand and asked why do I have to listen to you? In this case I simply reversed the question to her and asked her why did she have to listen to her school teachers and why did she have to listen to adults? I was an adult teacher that her parents wished for me to teach her Tae Kwon Do. Therefore she should listen to me, and if she did not want to do this, we could talk it over with her mom and dad. I'll see her at our next class tomorrow night... Now that you have the background, my thought is to have a talk with the parents and let them know that Jayde is having difficulty in class right now and does not work well with others as she has difficulty following what they ask her to do. Maybe if she takes the summer off and tries at the beginning of the school year when she starts school she may be a bit more prepared. I realize this does not address the possible issue of discrimination, but I'm not sure how to address it and I'm not sure it's really there. Maybe I am being to sensitive and drawing opinions to quickly. I know if it's not a black belt, and the person is white, Jayde simply chooses not to do what they say, which simply does not work in class because I often pair my students together to help each other. She always tells me she wants to work with one of five kids (always the other African american children) and I don't feel that should be the only children she works with. The whole situation takes me quite by surprise because I've never seen this attitude in someone so young before. Jayde is only 5. Any thoughts or ideas on how you all have dealt with this in your pasts would be greatly appreciated. Yours in the Arts, BJ Pritchett --__--__-- Message: 9 Date: Wed, 3 May 2006 19:39:17 -0700 (PDT) From: Jye nigma To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net, itf-taekwondo@yahoogroups.com, martialstudies@yahoogroups.com Subject: [The_Dojang] video clip: footwork Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PiG8F5aQywA --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail goes everywhere you do. Get it on your phone. --__--__-- Message: 10 Date: Wed, 3 May 2006 19:55:48 -0700 From: The_Dojang To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] CS Kim hosts event Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Martial arts competition here Wednesday, May 03, 2006 Pittsburgh Post-Gazette About 1,200 martial artists from the U.S. and Canada will be in Pittsburgh Saturday for the 32nd All Martial Arts Championship. Competitions in more than 300 divisions will be held at the Fitzgerald Field House at the University of Pittsburgh. There will be bouts between martial arts students as young as 4 and as old as 65 plus. Many of the bouts will be cross disciplinary, in which a student of one of the various schools of karate squares off against a student of kung fu, or judo. Chief organizer for the All Martial Arts Championship is Master C.S. Kim, who teaches the Tang Soo Do version style of Korean karate at his studio at 3955 Monroeville Boulevard in Monroeville. Registration begins at 7 a.m. Saturday at the Fitzgerald Field House, with opening ceremonies at 9 a.m. The field house is located at the intersection of Allequippa and Darragh streets. --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang http://the-dojang.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/the_dojang Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and http://MartialArtsResource.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of The_Dojang Digest