Date: Fri, 05 May 2006 03:01:47 -0700 From: the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: The_Dojang digest, Vol 13 #198 - 6 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: kma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: The Internet's premier discussion forum on Korean Martial Arts. 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Re: The_Dojang digest, Forms and "secret meanings" (TKDgalSamm@aol.com) --__--__-- Message: 1 Date: Thu, 4 May 2006 10:38:57 -0700 From: The_Dojang To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] USA Taekwondo Poomsae Team Trials Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net USA Taekwondo Poomsae Team Trials Slated for July 14-15 in San Diego May 2, 2006 USA Taekwondo is pleased to announce that the first USAT Poomsae Team Trials will be held in San Diego, Calif., July 14-15. The event will be hosted by the National Association of State Taekwondo Organizations (NASTO) and will determine the U.S. team to compete in the 1st WTF World Poomsae Taekwondo Championship in Seoul, Korea, September 4–6. "We are pleased to announce our first official partnership with NASTO as co-hosts of this important event," said USAT CEO David Askinas. "We expect that this will be the start of a productive and cooperative partnership between NASTO and USAT. We are expecting that all of the hard working Poomsae competitors in the United States will be excited to have a chance to compete for a spot on the USA's first-ever Poomsae National Team. You need not have competed before in a USAT Poomsae event or have been a member of USAT. All you have to do is sign up for the USAT Championships, become a USAT member and compete for your spot on the team." The U.S. Poomsae Championships will be held at the University of San Diego's Jenny Craig Pavilion. The proceeds of the event will be utilized to subsidize the air travel of the competitors and coaches for the event. "NASTO is honored to host the 1st USAT Poomsae Team Trials," said NASTO Vice President and Event Chairman Randy Chambliss. "This will be a great opportunity for our USAT members to compete on the International stage in poomsae." "USAT is committed to the development of Forms instruction, officiating and competition," added Askinas. "This first event, hosted by our partners at NASTO, is evidence of that commitment. This will be the first of many initiatives to reach out to the numerous Forms practitioners across the nation." Registration for the event will be available beginning Thursday, May 4, 2006. For more information, visit http://www.nasto.us/USAT_Poomsae.htm. --__--__-- Message: 2 Date: Thu, 4 May 2006 13:55:20 -0600 (GMT-06:00) From: Dante To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Discrimination in Children Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I would agree with this. As an instructor who is Black, this is not something I would tolerate, but it must be coming from somewhere. The parents must be involved to support your explanations and decisions that the dojang and dobok are the great equalizers. How would you address this if she refused to work with any boys? Take race out of the equation and deal with it as any other refusal to do as the instructor requires. More sensitive, maybe. But only if you address it more sensitively than it needs to be. It's not about race, it's about directions from the adult instructor. And the parents need to be on the same page, at the doang and at home. Best wishes Dante -----Original Message----- >From: Tim >Sent: May 4, 2006 7:37 AM >To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net >Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Discrimination in Children > >I would involve the parents. I think that taking time off is the last thing >that the child needs. She clearly needs to experience more cultures than >just her own. In my experience, children are always the last people to see a >difference in race. They aren't born with any preconceived notions of >anything or anyone. Keep this in mind when talking to the parents. > >Goodluck, >Tim >> Dante J. James, Esq. Project Director AA-VIP 303-830-1105 www.aavip.org Change is Inevitable, Growth is Optional VOTE - Your future depends on it! --__--__-- Message: 3 Date: Thu, 4 May 2006 13:04:36 -0700 (PDT) From: Samurai Latino Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Discrimination in Children To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net When you talk to the parent's you should be able to tell if the way she express is something she hears at home. Sometimes children will act the way the parents do thinking is OK to be that way. Either way Good Luck. "Rafael" Choson Martial Arts Sierra Vista, AZ Tim wrote: I would involve the parents. I think that taking time off is the last thing that the child needs. She clearly needs to experience more cultures than just her own. In my experience, children are always the last people to see a difference in race. They aren't born with any preconceived notions of anything or anyone. Keep this in mind when talking to the parents. Goodluck, Tim ----- Original Message ----- From: "BJ Pritchett" To: Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2006 9:15 PM Subject: [The_Dojang] Discrimination in Children > All, > > I instruct a youth class and recently had a young African-American child > join my class. I think I have a case of discrimination going on at the > child level and am unsure how to address it. I should point out that I > tend > to be very direct, and not always real diplomatic, hence my looking for > input. > > This student has attended approximately 4 classes. She has made comments > in > class such as "Why do I have to stand next to the white girl?" (her exact > words). I told her that we lined up in belt order and because she was a > beginner white belt, she would stand next to the other white belts. On > another class she told me it was not fair that I had a black belt because > I > was a white person and her brother's last instructor was black, so he had > a > black belt. (She and her brother joined up for class together, he has > prior > experience, she is new). I explained to her that I had trained for a > really > long time and earned my black belt and that was why I had it. Last but > not > least, I always close my classes by asking does anyone have any questions > or > concerns before we close class. This little girl raised her hand and > asked > why do I have to listen to you? In this case I simply reversed the > question > to her and asked her why did she have to listen to her school teachers and > why did she have to listen to adults? I was an adult teacher that her > parents wished for me to teach her Tae Kwon Do. Therefore she should > listen > to me, and if she did not want to do this, we could talk it over with her > mom and dad. I'll see her at our next class tomorrow night... > > Now that you have the background, my thought is to have a talk with the > parents and let them know that Jayde is having difficulty in class right > now > and does not work well with others as she has difficulty following what > they > ask her to do. Maybe if she takes the summer off and tries at the > beginning > of the school year when she starts school she may be a bit more prepared. > > I realize this does not address the possible issue of discrimination, but > I'm not sure how to address it and I'm not sure it's really there. Maybe > I > am being to sensitive and drawing opinions to quickly. I know if it's not > a > black belt, and the person is white, Jayde simply chooses not to do what > they say, which simply does not work in class because I often pair my > students together to help each other. She always tells me she wants to > work > with one of five kids (always the other African american children) and I > don't feel that should be the only children she works with. > > The whole situation takes me quite by surprise because I've never seen > this > attitude in someone so young before. Jayde is only 5. Any thoughts or > ideas on how you all have dealt with this in your pasts would be greatly > appreciated. > > Yours in the Arts, > BJ Pritchett > _______________________________________________ > The_Dojang mailing list, 2,100 members > The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource > Standard disclaimers apply > http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list, 2,100 members The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang --------------------------------- Blab-away for as little as 1¢/min. Make PC-to-Phone Calls using Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. --__--__-- Message: 4 Date: Thu, 4 May 2006 13:48:28 -0700 (PDT) From: Samurai Latino To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Anyone in the Upper Marlboro, MD Area? Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Hello everyone, I've been trying to catch-up on e-mail since I was out on a work related trip. Anyways, I met a nice young lady while in class, that is interested in enrolling her 6 yrs. old son in martial arts. She's located in Upper Marlboro, Maryland. I told her that I would help her find a school around the area. Any information will be appreciated. Sincerely, Sincerely, Rafael Amill Choson Martial Arts Club E-mail: samurai_latino@yahoo.com http://www.geocities.com/samurai_latino/Choson_Main_Page.html --------------------------------- Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls to the US (and 30+ countries) for 2¢/min or less. --__--__-- Message: 5 Date: Thu, 04 May 2006 18:19:13 -0400 From: aburrese@aol.com To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Buddha's Birthday Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Happy Buddha's Birthday! May 5th is Buddha's Birthday this year. It is the 8th day of the 4th month of the lunar calendar. This is a National Holiday in Korea. Just passing this along to fellow Korean Martial Artists, Alain www.burrese.com For Your Safety - For Your Success --__--__-- Message: 6 From: TKDgalSamm@aol.com Date: Thu, 4 May 2006 21:14:48 EDT To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: The_Dojang digest, Forms and "secret meanings" Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net In a message dated 5/4/2006 2:37:38 AM Central Standard Time, the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net writes: I was giving this some thought this morning and while there are certain combinations that can be put together to form more complex, compound movements if you will, there are also times when a block is just a block. When I learned the basics of hyung I was taught that there are no secrets in hyung, only that your understanding matures. I think that if we look for secret techniques then we are missing the point. Forms were not only meant to help us workout and ingrain muscle memory with various skill sets but to also stimulate us. If I do a billion low blocks for example, that neural response becomes highly conditions and almost reflexive. If I have done it only a few times, I will not be as fast or as strong. This is basic physiology. But I do need to correct one thing... there is one secret to hyung. The "boring" repetition does cause you to eventually face the only opponent of true value. This opponent is the self. I'd like to respond to this post, even if I'm off topic. Honestly, practicing forms never had much meaning to me until I studied with an instructor who had us practice our forms in a circle. You stood in the middle of the circle and practiced every movement, block and counter, on every person in the circle. This way, you are familiar with how the techniques work on lots of different body types. This kind of practice completely changes the mind set when afterward you practice a form individually. There is a HUGE difference practicing a series of blocks and counters against a 12 year old, or a 5 foot 90 pound female and a 6 foot 2 inch 250 pound man, WOW bigtime. You don't get the same effect practicing forms alone, if that is all you do in your training. (No offense if there are people in here who are training that way.) If there is a form that cannot be taught this way, then I don't think it has much use besides what you talk about in your post ... physical fitness. And frankly, heck ... I can do jumping jacks or tae bo for that. That's my beef with most TKD is they do not teach forms this way and I don't know why. THAT seems to be the secret meaning ;-) They SHOULD ... people always understand technique when they understand the practical application behind it. That's why IMHO there are so many people who think TKD forms are useless. Maybe the forms in TKD can't be taught this way ..... ??? Maybe this will provoke some discussion of the tried and true subject of "are forms useless" ??? Respectfully, Loretta --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang http://the-dojang.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/the_dojang Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and http://MartialArtsResource.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of The_Dojang Digest