Date: Sat, 13 May 2006 02:59:57 -0700 From: the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: The_Dojang digest, Vol 13 #216 - 9 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: kma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: The Internet's premier discussion forum on Korean Martial Arts. 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Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The Internet's premier discussion forum devoted to Korean Martial Arts. 2,100 members. See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of The_Dojang at http://MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! Today's Topics: 1. Re: Re: kwanjulki (Jye nigma) 2. Re: RE: Wrist locks on big guys (Ray) 3. RE: video clips (J R Hilland) 4. Re: Re: kwanjulki (Thomas Gordon) 5. Seminar in Montreal: Silat Kuntao Tekpi (kenbocan@dsuper.net) 6. Kiai (Don Kirsch) 7. Re: Re: kwanjulki (michael tomlinson) 8. Re: Re: kwanjulki (Ray) 9. Merced Spring TKD Chip (Ray) --__--__-- Message: 1 Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 11:28:16 -0700 (PDT) From: Jye nigma Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Re: kwanjulki To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net LMAO....that was funny to read. The first thing that came to mind was my teacher's student Mike Reid who used to play for the Atlanta Falcons. I remember the first time I met him and shook his hand....lol. He hand was the size of both of my hands together, lol. He's a huge guy. Jye Klaas Barends wrote: when the attacker's wrist is thesize of the defender's knee, --------------------------------- Talk is cheap. Use Yahoo! Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great rates starting at 1¢/min. --__--__-- Message: 2 From: Ray Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] RE: Wrist locks on big guys To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 12:02:52 -0700 (PDT) Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Ok, my big guy story... Back in the early 70s I worked in the football dorm at The Ohio State University... back in the days of Woody Hayes. A lot of my friends there went on to play in the NFL, several of them linemen. One good friend was Doug "Bubba" France. I think he went on to be an NFL All Pro offensive tackle from the Rams. These guys were big, strong and fast. I always thought it unfair, not only were they bigger and far stonger than the average fellow, but you couldn't even run away from them. Most of these fellows could simply power out of any wrist lock you could apply on them... -if- that was all you did to them. The trick is to not get too focused on only applying one technique. Even with their wrist fully bent and locked out they were strong enough to power out of it. So you have to mix it up. If you feel them powering out of one lock, use that movement to flow into a different lock or technique. In other words, they will be stronger than you will be so you have to use your brain and your training... or carry a Glock. Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 3 From: "J R Hilland" To: Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 14:47:21 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] RE: video clips Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net <<> Thanks for saying what many are thinking. --__--__-- Message: 4 Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 17:32:58 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Re: kwanjulki From: "Thomas Gordon" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net First off, a clarification, I meant to say, "But I don't think a small framed person like my bride could every cause a lot of pain TO ME via the straight arm wrist lock regardless of how good she was at it." With that said, yes, she can cause some serious discomfort and even excruciating pain with certain locks. What I was saying was a specific lock being the straight arm wrist lock. Closest picture I could find is at http://karenmitchellstaekwondo.com/Hwa-Rang%20Pics/selfdef2c.jpg. (used google search for images). Now if we’re discussing catching them off balance, distraction prior to lock, etc, then sure, a much smaller framed person may be able to pull it off. My reply was to a specific statement being, "If done correctly, kwanjyelki (joint manipulation techniques) is not restricted by someone's size or strength." And I gave a specific example with specific people using a specific joint lock that I know doesn’t work. And I've had it done by some people that I consider fairly proficient and it still didn't cause a lot of pain. Thomas Gordon Florida --__--__-- Message: 5 Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 18:41:10 -0400 (EDT) From: kenbocan@dsuper.net To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Seminar in Montreal: Silat Kuntao Tekpi Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Silat Instructor Omar Hakim, of Dallas Texas, will be in Montreal at GAMMA to conduct a Silat Kuntao Tekpi workshop from Noon to 5pm on Saturday, May 20, 2006. Omar Hakim has spend quite a few years in Indonesia and Malasia to aquire this method and has been entrusted with spreading this knowlege here in North America by the leaders in Malasia. Prior to this study Omar had spend many years under the tuitilage of Grand Tuhon Leo Gaje and is still considered one of his top representatives in the US. Cost of this seminar is $60 and participation is limited. Contact Philip Gelinas at (514) 281-9928 or email him at bttcanada@videotron.ca for more information and to make reservations. --__--__-- Message: 6 From: "Don Kirsch" To: "the_dojang" Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 18:30:49 -0700 Subject: [The_Dojang] Kiai Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Damn, I didn't know it but my mother must have lived in Japan for a while and studied Kiai. It usually took my dad with a belt to stop me but mom could knock me down with just her voice. Much like the guy in the video...Happy Mother's Day to all you Mothers. Regards, Don Kirsch --__--__-- Message: 7 From: "michael tomlinson" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Re: kwanjulki Date: Sat, 13 May 2006 01:16:14 +0000 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Looking at that picture,, now I know this is off base but we call that a downward wrist break...in the terminology Master Hal Whalen developed to replace the Korean number system with the KHA... the photo shows some bad technique IMHO...elbows extended out away from the ribcage cuts down on your strength and creates what we call the tug of war syndrome..(very weak), the opponents hand should be rotated more in a clockwise position so the opponents palm lines up with their face,(this takes all the slack out and stops the muscle on muscle feel of that technique),,they are also using what I call a cheeseburger grip..(very weak)..that is when someones grip leaves too much wiggle room between their palms and the opponents hand...kind of like when you hold up a cheeseburger to eat it...you are mainly just holding it with your fingers instead of your whole hands...I know I equate everything back to food but hey..you got to go with what you know right? One variation I learned from Hal Whalen that is pretty serious is when someone is possibly weaker and or in a hurry to break something and move on is to hold the wrist lock like the photo shows for a nanosecond with both hands and then use your right hand to palm strike quick and hard over your own left hand that is holding the wrist lock...so in essence you set up the wrist break as usual but in a split second you use the palm strike to multiply the effectiveness....kind of like a "turbo wrist break"...it works on quite a few of the standard Hapkido wrist techniques... Michael Tomlinson >From: "Thomas Gordon" >Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net >To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net >Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Re: kwanjulki >Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 17:32:58 -0500 (CDT) > >First off, a clarification, I meant to say, "But I don't think a small >framed person like my bride could every cause a lot of pain TO ME via the >straight arm wrist lock regardless of how good she was at it." > >With that said, yes, she can cause some serious discomfort and even >excruciating pain with certain locks. What I was saying was a specific >lock being the straight arm wrist lock. Closest picture I could find is >at http://karenmitchellstaekwondo.com/Hwa-Rang%20Pics/selfdef2c.jpg. >(used google search for images). > >Now if we’re discussing catching them off balance, distraction prior to >lock, etc, then sure, a much smaller framed person may be able to pull it >off. My reply was to a specific statement being, "If done correctly, >kwanjyelki (joint manipulation techniques) is not restricted by someone's >size or strength." And I gave a specific example with specific people >using a specific joint lock that I know doesn’t work. And I've had it >done by some people that I consider fairly proficient and it still didn't >cause a lot of pain. > >Thomas Gordon >Florida >_______________________________________________ >The_Dojang mailing list, 2,100 members >The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net >Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource >Standard disclaimers apply >http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang --__--__-- Message: 8 From: Ray Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Re: kwanjulki To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 20:17:44 -0700 (PDT) Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > the photo shows some bad technique IMHO...elbows extended out away from the > ribcage cuts down on your strength and creates what we call the tug of war > syndrome..(very weak)... This looks very much like some of the typical hoshinsul taught in many TKD dojangs. Poor technique Hapkido... Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 9 From: Ray To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net (The_Dojang) Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 20:51:39 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [The_Dojang] Merced Spring TKD Chip Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Merced Spring TKD Championship Saturday, May 20 Green Valley High School 2121 E. Childs Ave Merced, California 95340 8AM Check-in 10AM Poomsae begins Info: call 209.947.5425 --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang http://the-dojang.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/the_dojang Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and http://MartialArtsResource.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of The_Dojang Digest