Date: Mon, 15 May 2006 03:00:21 -0700 From: the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: The_Dojang digest, Vol 13 #218 - 11 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: kma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: The Internet's premier discussion forum on Korean Martial Arts. 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Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The Internet's premier discussion forum devoted to Korean Martial Arts. 2,100 members. See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of The_Dojang at http://MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! Today's Topics: 1. Re: Wrist Locks on Big Guys (WTSDA Bruce) 2. Movie links (Burdick, Dakin Robert) 3. Re: Movie links (Jye nigma) 4. Re: Not showing pain / is Rick the only sane one out there?.... (Lila Ralston) 5. Re: Re: Not showing pain / is Rick the only sane one out there?.... (Ray) 6. Re: The_Dojang digest Wrist Locks On Big Guys (Foxfiremd@aol.com) 7. wristlocks on big guys (burnniemfrazier@aol.com) 8. Re: Mike T on knife defense (ABurrese@aol.com) 9. RE: Re: The_Dojang digest Wrist Locks On Big Guys (Thomas Gordon) 10. RE: Re: Mike T on knife defense (michael tomlinson) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: "WTSDA Bruce" To: Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Wrist Locks on Big Guys Date: Sun, 14 May 2006 07:24:59 -0500 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net My 2 cents on wrist locks. Wrist locks will work on big men/women, small men/women etc., provided the technique is not anticipated (a distraction technique can help to overcome this). However there are those 5-10 percent of the population that have joints, tendons and ligaments that are not affected by wrist locks. I have trained with the tiniest of women that, well you might as well just pick them up and body slam them. Same is true with pressure points, not to many techniques will work 100% of the time. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Timmy Sr. Kearney" To: Sent: Saturday, May 13, 2006 6:01 AM Subject: [The_Dojang] Wrist Locks on Big Guys >I too have had the experience of applying a wrist lock on a student who had >wrists like 2 by 4s.It was quit difficult to do the technigue ,and get the >desired results because of his size and strength.Like it was stated >earlier,when dealing with big guys like this,you must keep focused,and just >slide right into a different technique,and eventually you will find >something that is effective. > > > > Master Tim Kearney > _______________________________________________ > The_Dojang mailing list, 2,100 members > The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource > Standard disclaimers apply > http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang --__--__-- Message: 2 Date: Sun, 14 May 2006 10:13:32 -0400 From: "Burdick, Dakin Robert" To: Subject: [The_Dojang] Movie links Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net <<> Actually, I enjoy seeing those links -- I don't have time to go youtubing and it is nice break in my day. Thanks Jye! Dakin [demime 0.98e removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef which had a name of winmail.dat] --__--__-- Message: 3 Date: Sun, 14 May 2006 08:36:43 -0700 (PDT) From: Jye nigma Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Movie links To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net you're quite welcome! That's why I share them. Typically, if I come across a good clip I share it. Some clips actually come from my 'private stock'. Jye "Burdick, Dakin Robert" wrote: Actually, I enjoy seeing those links -- I don't have time to go youtubing and it is nice break in my day. Thanks Jye! Dakin [demime 0.98e removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef which had a name of winmail.dat] _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list, 2,100 members The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang --------------------------------- Blab-away for as little as 1¢/min. Make PC-to-Phone Calls using Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. --__--__-- Message: 4 From: "Lila Ralston" To: Date: Sun, 14 May 2006 11:44:57 -0400 Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: Not showing pain / is Rick the only sane one out there?.... Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Sean Kay's remarks reminded me of this FAQ from an aikido dojo in Memphis: Q: What about self defense? Aikido isn't a quick course in self defense. It takes a while before you could use the techniques. In Brooklyn, we'd answer this question with, "Look, you live in New York City. Sometime in the next five years you'll probably be mugged. They'll take your money, and maybe they'll hurt you. Or you can study Aikido. Here we will take your money every month, and guarantee to hurt you every time you come!" ( http://home.earthlink.net/~jimbaker6/aa/askjim.htm ) --Lila Ralston, Live Oak Martial Arts --__--__-- Message: 5 From: Ray Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Re: Not showing pain / is Rick the only sane one out there?.... To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Sun, 14 May 2006 08:54:56 -0700 (PDT) Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > ... Here we will take your money every month, and > guarantee to hurt you every time you come!" > ( http://home.earthlink.net/~jimbaker6/aa/askjim.htm ) Love it!!! :) Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 6 From: Foxfiremd@aol.com Date: Sun, 14 May 2006 13:54:29 EDT To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: The_Dojang digest Wrist Locks On Big Guys Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net In a message dated 5/14/2006 5:00:01 AM Central Standard Time, the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net writes: Message: 1 From: "Timmy Sr. Kearney" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Sat, 13 May 2006 08:01:36 -0300 Subject: [The_Dojang] Wrist Locks on Big Guys Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I too have had the experience of applying a wrist lock on a student who had wrists like 2 by 4s.It was quit difficult to do the technigue ,and get the desired results because of his size and strength.Like it was stated earlier,when dealing with big guys like this,you must keep focused,and just slide right into a different technique,and eventually you will find something that is effectiive. I think all this sliding from one technique to another in hope of finding the right one is just great. It would be fun and instructive to watch, as you say, on the mat. It would be even more interesting to see when you have a whopper by the arm and his other hand is ringing your head like a temple bell while you slide from one cool move to another. Best of luck with that. Mike --__--__-- Message: 7 Date: Sun, 14 May 2006 13:54:24 -0400 From: burnniemfrazier@aol.com To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] wristlocks on big guys Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net When dealing with a larger stronger opponent, you will have a greater degree of difficulty in successfullly applying a wristlock or any lock without a distraction. Your opponent will not stand there and allow you to change positions and techniques without smashing your face in. If you will deliver a pain distraction, eye jab, palm strike, front kick to groin etc... you will change his focus to the pain and immediately continue with your technique. I think you will find this method more effective in applying locks in an actual self defense situation. I spent many years as a police officer and have encountered many larger and stronger people. The techniques are great to bring down an opponent, but unless he is caught by surprise you will have trouble without distractions. Shihan Mike Frazier --__--__-- Message: 8 From: ABurrese@aol.com Date: Sun, 14 May 2006 14:26:43 EDT To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: Mike T on knife defense Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Michael Tomlinson posted: x block against a knife...trying the disarm up by your stomach..and then stepping over the arm so that you are staddling the opponent with the knife....yikes....not anything I was taught or would try...just my opinion.. **************************** What's your problem Mike? You act like if you are attacked with a knife that you want to stay alive or something.... :-) Alain www.burrese.com --__--__-- Message: 9 From: "Thomas Gordon" To: Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] Re: The_Dojang digest Wrist Locks On Big Guys Date: Sun, 14 May 2006 16:13:07 -0500 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net "It would be even more interesting to see when you have a whopper by the arm and his other hand is ringing your head like a temple bell while you slide from one cool move to another. Best of luck with that." Well, that was were I was going next but you said it very well. LOL! And that's not limited to specific joint locks and such. I've seen brute men be able to take a strike that would set 99% of the people down on their backside. A buddy of mine took three front kicks to the groin when he was in high school. He's just an average guy but he just had a high threshold. Well, for the moment. He missed the next day of school (from the bleeding - ACK!) Thomas Gordon Florida --__--__-- Message: 10 From: "michael tomlinson" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] Re: Mike T on knife defense Date: Sun, 14 May 2006 23:30:43 +0000 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Alain, LOL,, I guess you all can call me crazy but self preservation is actually something I like to practice... Michael Tomlinson >From: ABurrese@aol.com >Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net >To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net >Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: Mike T on knife defense >Date: Sun, 14 May 2006 14:26:43 EDT > >Michael Tomlinson posted: > >x block against a knife...trying the >disarm up by your stomach..and then stepping over the arm so that you are >staddling the opponent with the knife....yikes....not anything I was >taught >or would try...just my opinion.. >**************************** > >What's your problem Mike? You act like if you are attacked with a knife >that you want to stay alive or something.... > >:-) > >Alain > >www.burrese.com >_______________________________________________ >The_Dojang mailing list, 2,100 members >The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net >Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource >Standard disclaimers apply >http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang http://the-dojang.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/the_dojang Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and http://MartialArtsResource.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of The_Dojang Digest