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Kick # 25 (David Weller) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: Klaas Barends Date: Mon, 15 May 2006 12:16:02 +0200 To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: big guys and wristlocks Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > When dealing with a larger stronger opponent, you will have a > greater degree of difficulty in successfullly applying a wristlock > or any lock without a distraction. Your opponent will not stand > there and allow you to change positions and techniques without > smashing your face in. If you will deliver a pain distraction, eye > jab, palm strike, front kick to groin etc... you will change his > focus to the pain and immediately continue with your technique. I > think you will find this method more effective in applying locks in > an actual self defense situation. Actually I rather enjoy doing the wrist locks and big, though guys. Especially those who have done a lot of weightlifting/body building and have a body that is hard as a brick. Their joints have absolutely no flexibility whatsoever. You only have to twist the wrist just a few degrees and they will start screaming that it hurts. Also remember that your speed is important. When you apply the pressure slow, the muscles inside the joint give way and stretch with the movement. However, when the pressure is applied very rapid, the reaction of the muscles in the joint is to freeze and try to block the movement. It is breaking through this 'freeze' that actually damages the joint most. -- kind regards, Klaas Barends www.hapkidoforum.com --__--__-- Message: 2 From: "Joseph Cheavens" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Re: kwanjulki Date: Mon, 15 May 2006 08:55:48 -0500 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Agreed with regards to your critique of this technique. One fix if you find yourself in this position is to pull the hand in against your chest, crank the hand clockwise with your right hand while pushing forward with your chest and sliding your left hand forward and placing it inside the uke's elbow and pulling back so that he doesn't have a straight arm anymore. Joe Cheavens -------------------------------------------------------------------- From:  "michael tomlinson" Reply-To:  the_dojang@martialartsresource.net To:  the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject:  Re: [The_Dojang] Re: kwanjulki Date:  Sat, 13 May 2006 01:16:14 +0000 >Looking at that picture,, now I know this is off base but we call >that a downward wrist break...in the terminology Master Hal Whalen >developed to replace the Korean number system with the KHA... > >the photo shows some bad technique IMHO...elbows extended out away >from the ribcage cuts down on your strength and creates what we call >the tug of war syndrome..(very weak), the opponents hand should be >rotated more in a clockwise position so the opponents palm lines up >with their face,(this takes all the slack out and stops the muscle >on muscle feel of that technique),,they are also using what I call a >cheeseburger grip..(very weak)..that is when someones grip leaves >too much wiggle room between their palms and the opponents >hand...kind of like when you hold up a cheeseburger to eat it...you >are mainly just holding it with your fingers instead of your whole >hands...I know I equate everything back to food but hey..you got to >go with what you know right? > >One variation I learned from Hal Whalen that is pretty serious is >when someone is possibly weaker and or in a hurry to break something >and move on is to hold the wrist lock like the photo shows for a >nanosecond with both hands and then use your right hand to palm >strike quick and hard over your own left hand that is holding the >wrist lock...so in essence you set up the wrist break as usual but >in a split second you use the palm strike to multiply the >effectiveness....kind of like a "turbo wrist break"...it works on >quite a few of the standard Hapkido wrist techniques...               >                                                                     >        Michael Tomlinson > > >>From: "Thomas Gordon" >>Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net >>To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net >>Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Re: kwanjulki >>Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 17:32:58 -0500 (CDT) >> >>First off, a clarification, I meant to say, "But I don't think a >>small >>framed person like my bride could every cause a lot of pain TO ME >>via the >>straight arm wrist lock regardless of how good she was at it." >> >>With that said, yes, she can cause some serious discomfort and even >>excruciating pain with certain locks.  What I was saying was a >>specific >>lock being the straight arm wrist lock.  Closest picture I could >>find is >>at >>http://karenmitchellstaekwondo.com/Hwa-Rang%20Pics/selfdef2c.jpg. >>(used google search for images). >> >>Now if we’re discussing catching them off balance, distraction >>prior to >>lock, etc, then sure, a much smaller framed person may be able to >>pull it >>off.  My reply was to a specific statement being, "If done >>correctly, >>kwanjyelki (joint manipulation techniques) is not restricted by >>someone's >>size or strength."  And I gave a specific example with specific >>people >>using a specific joint lock that I know doesn’t work.  And I've had >>it >>done by some people that I consider fairly proficient and it still >>didn't >>cause a lot of pain. >> >>Thomas Gordon >>Florida >>_______________________________________________ >>The_Dojang mailing list, 2,100 members >>The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net >>Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource >>Standard disclaimers apply >>http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang >_______________________________________________ >The_Dojang mailing list, 2,100 members >The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net >Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource >Standard disclaimers apply >http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang --__--__-- Message: 3 From: "Joseph Cheavens" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Re: kwanjulki Date: Mon, 15 May 2006 09:11:43 -0500 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Changes my analysis a bit. Lets see, as the defender tries to execute the kick, the attacker lunges forward and either cuts the defender's rib cage or punctures his spleen. As the defender puts his leg over the attacker's arm while the attacker is still holding the knife (Holy Cow!!!), the attacker rolls forward and pulls back and up with his knife hand and immasculates the defender. The attacker then rolls over, cuts the defenders achile's tendon and his hamstrings as he stands up, then cuts the defender's throat as he drops to the ground. Did I miss anything? Joe Cheavens -------------------------------------------------------------------- From:  joconnor@cybermesa.com Reply-To:  the_dojang@martialartsresource.net To:  the_dojang@martialartsresource.net, the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject:  Re: [The_Dojang] Re: kwanjulki Date:  Sat, 13 May 2006 07:22:34 -0600 >---------- Original Message ----------- >From: "michael tomlinson" >To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net >Sent: Sat, 13 May 2006 01:16:14 +0000 >Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Re: kwanjulki > > > Looking at that picture,, now I know this is off base but we call > > that a downward wrist break...in the terminology Master Hal Whalen > > developed to replace the Korean number system with the KHA... > > > > the photo shows some bad technique IMHO...elbows extended out away > > from the ribcage cuts down on your strength and creates what we call > > the tug of war syndrome..(very weak), the opponents hand should be > > rotated more in a clockwise position so the opponents palm lines up > > with their face,(this takes all the slack out and stops the muscle > > on muscle feel of that technique),,they are also using what I call a > > cheeseburger grip..(very weak)..that is when someones grip leaves > > too much wiggle room between their palms and the opponents > > hand...kind of like when you hold up a cheeseburger to eat it...you > > are mainly just holding it with your fingers instead of your whole > > hands...I know I equate everything back to food but hey..you got to > > go with what you know right? > >I don't know if it matters but that picture is part of a series of pictures >as part of a defense against a knife thrust (you can't really see the knife >in the attacker's hand in that picture but it's in the prior and subsequent >pictures).   So I don't know how closely the picture really illustrates the >proper technique that is being talked about here or is just an approximation >of the body positioning and, as such, is really about something else... > >The series is... >http://karenmitchellstaekwondo.com/Hwa-Rang%20Pics/selfdef2a.jpg >http://karenmitchellstaekwondo.com/Hwa-Rang%20Pics/selfdef2b.jpg >http://karenmitchellstaekwondo.com/Hwa-Rang%20Pics/selfdef2c.jpg >http://karenmitchellstaekwondo.com/Hwa-Rang%20Pics/selfdef2d.jpg >http://karenmitchellstaekwondo.com/Hwa-Rang%20Pics/selfdef2e.jpg > >Don't know if that changes the analysis of that given picture. > >Take care, >Jay >_______________________________________________ >The_Dojang mailing list, 2,100 members >The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net >Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource >Standard disclaimers apply >http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang --__--__-- Message: 4 Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] Movie links Date: Mon, 15 May 2006 15:12:35 +0100 From: To: Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I really liked the clips re tae kyon. I've never seen it before. MBAKAM is quite popular here in the UK so I have seen a lot of that stuff. Keep posting those clips! VICTORIA CONCORDIA CRESCIT (Victory through harmony) -----Original Message----- From: Jye nigma [mailto:kingjye@yahoo.com] Sent: 14 May 2006 16:37 To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Movie links you're quite welcome! That's why I share them. Typically, if I come across a good clip I share it. Some clips actually come from my 'private stock'. Jye "Burdick, Dakin Robert" wrote: Actually, I enjoy seeing those links -- I don't have time to go youtubing and it is nice break in my day. Thanks Jye! Dakin [demime 0.98e removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef which had a name of winmail.dat] _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list, 2,100 members The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang --------------------------------- Blab-away for as little as 1¢/min. Make PC-to-Phone Calls using Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list, 2,100 members The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang **************************************************************************** SMOKE ALARMS SAVE LIVES Go to London Fire at www.london-fire.gov.uk/firesafety This email is confidential to the addressee only. If you do not believe that you are the intended addressee, do not use, pass on or copy it in any way. If you have received it in error, please delete it immediately and telephone the supplied number, reversing the charges if necessary. --__--__-- Message: 5 From: "Joseph Cheavens" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] Movie links Date: Mon, 15 May 2006 09:18:17 -0500 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I second that emotion.  Thanks Jye. Joe Cheavens -------------------------------------------------------------------- From:  "Burdick, Dakin Robert" Reply-To:  the_dojang@martialartsresource.net To:   Subject:  [The_Dojang] Movie links Date:  Sun, 14 May 2006 10:13:32 -0400 ><<video.google.com and type in taekkyon or hapkido or taekwondo. So that it >isn't really necessary to post links to ever single MA movie to be found on >those site on this list???>> > >Actually, I enjoy seeing those links -- I don't have time to go youtubing and >it is nice break in my day. > >Thanks Jye! > >Dakin > >[demime 0.98e removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef which had a name of winmail.dat] >_______________________________________________ >The_Dojang mailing list, 2,100 members >The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net >Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource >Standard disclaimers apply >http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang --__--__-- Message: 6 From: "Master Mark Seidel" To: Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] wristlocks on big guys Date: Mon, 15 May 2006 10:42:32 -0400 Organization: The Midtown Academy Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I don't know call me crazy but I am not interested in locking any ones wrist; if I am at risk I want to knock them out and move out of harms way. Pain compliance is for law enforcement not general self defense and a few whacks with a baton or slap jack will certainly facilitate the placement of hand restraints. I would not want to risk as another poster said the other arm clobbering me as I go from lock to lock try to find the right one. Mark Master Mark Seidel Martial Arts /PE Program The Midtown Academy http://www.midtownacademy.org -----Original Message----- From: burnniemfrazier@aol.com [mailto:burnniemfrazier@aol.com] Sent: Sunday, May 14, 2006 1:54 PM To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] wristlocks on big guys When dealing with a larger stronger opponent, you will have a greater degree of difficulty in successfullly applying a wristlock or any lock without a distraction. Your opponent will not stand there and allow you to change positions and techniques without smashing your face in. If you will deliver a pain distraction, eye jab, palm strike, front kick to groin etc... you will change his focus to the pain and immediately continue with your technique. I think you will find this method more effective in applying locks in an actual self defense situation. I spent many years as a police officer and have encountered many larger and stronger people. The techniques are great to bring down an opponent, but unless he is caught by surprise you will have trouble without distractions. Shihan Mike Frazier --__--__-- Message: 7 From: "Joseph Cheavens" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] Re: Not showing pain / is Rick the only sane one out there?.... Date: Mon, 15 May 2006 09:33:04 -0500 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Those are some really funny FAQs. Joe Cheavens -------------------------------------------------------------------- From:  "Lila Ralston" Reply-To:  the_dojang@martialartsresource.net To:   Subject:  [The_Dojang] Re: Not showing pain / is Rick the only sane one out there?.... Date:  Sun, 14 May 2006 11:44:57 -0400 >Sean Kay's remarks reminded me of this FAQ from an aikido dojo in >Memphis: > >Q: What about self defense? >Aikido isn't a quick course in self defense. It takes a while before >you could use the techniques. In Brooklyn, we'd answer this question >with, "Look, you live in New York City. Sometime in the next five >years you'll probably be mugged. They'll take your money, and maybe >they'll hurt you. Or you can study Aikido. Here we will take your >money every month, and guarantee to hurt you every time you come!" >( http://home.earthlink.net/~jimbaker6/aa/askjim.htm ) > >--Lila Ralston, Live Oak Martial Arts >_______________________________________________ >The_Dojang mailing list, 2,100 members >The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net >Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource >Standard disclaimers apply >http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang --__--__-- Message: 8 From: "michael tomlinson" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Re: kwanjulki Date: Mon, 15 May 2006 14:38:57 +0000 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Joseph, hey that's an excellent idea....yeah I left out that the arm is too straight and parallel with the floor which gives the opponent more strength...if you raise the arm some then you take his strength away.... >From: "Joseph Cheavens" >Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net >To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net >Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Re: kwanjulki >Date: Mon, 15 May 2006 08:55:48 -0500 > >Agreed with regards to your critique of this technique. One fix if you >find yourself in this position is to pull the hand in against your chest, >crank the hand clockwise with your right hand while pushing forward with >your chest and sliding your left hand forward and placing it inside the >uke's elbow and pulling back so that he doesn't have a straight arm >anymore. > >Joe Cheavens > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > > From:  "michael tomlinson" > Reply-To:  the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > To:  the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > Subject:  Re: [The_Dojang] Re: kwanjulki > Date:  Sat, 13 May 2006 01:16:14 +0000 > >Looking at that picture,, now I know this is off base but we call > >that a downward wrist break...in the terminology Master Hal Whalen > >developed to replace the Korean number system with the KHA... > > > >the photo shows some bad technique IMHO...elbows extended out away > >from the ribcage cuts down on your strength and creates what we call > >the tug of war syndrome..(very weak), the opponents hand should be > >rotated more in a clockwise position so the opponents palm lines up > >with their face,(this takes all the slack out and stops the muscle > >on muscle feel of that technique),,they are also using what I call a > >cheeseburger grip..(very weak)..that is when someones grip leaves > >too much wiggle room between their palms and the opponents > >hand...kind of like when you hold up a cheeseburger to eat it...you > >are mainly just holding it with your fingers instead of your whole > >hands...I know I equate everything back to food but hey..you got to > >go with what you know right? > > > >One variation I learned from Hal Whalen that is pretty serious is > >when someone is possibly weaker and or in a hurry to break something > >and move on is to hold the wrist lock like the photo shows for a > >nanosecond with both hands and then use your right hand to palm > >strike quick and hard over your own left hand that is holding the > >wrist lock...so in essence you set up the wrist break as usual but > >in a split second you use the palm strike to multiply the > >effectiveness....kind of like a "turbo wrist break"...it works on > >quite a few of the standard Hapkido wrist > techniques...               > >                                                                     > >        Michael Tomlinson > > > > > >>From: "Thomas Gordon" > >>Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > >>To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > >>Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Re: kwanjulki > >>Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 17:32:58 -0500 (CDT) > >> > >>First off, a clarification, I meant to say, "But I don't think a > >>small > >>framed person like my bride could every cause a lot of pain TO ME > >>via the > >>straight arm wrist lock regardless of how good she was at it." > >> > >>With that said, yes, she can cause some serious discomfort and even > >>excruciating pain with certain locks.  What I was saying was a > >>specific > >>lock being the straight arm wrist lock.  Closest picture I could > >>find is > >>at > >>http://karenmitchellstaekwondo.com/Hwa-Rang%20Pics/selfdef2c.jpg. > >>(used google search for images). > >> > >>Now if we’re discussing catching them off balance, distraction > >>prior to > >>lock, etc, then sure, a much smaller framed person may be able to > >>pull it > >>off.  My reply was to a specific statement being, "If done > >>correctly, > >>kwanjyelki (joint manipulation techniques) is not restricted by > >>someone's > >>size or strength."  And I gave a specific example with specific > >>people > >>using a specific joint lock that I know doesn’t work.  And I've had > >>it > >>done by some people that I consider fairly proficient and it still > >>didn't > >>cause a lot of pain. > >> > >>Thomas Gordon > >>Florida > >>_______________________________________________ > >>The_Dojang mailing list, 2,100 members > >>The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net > >>Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource > >>Standard disclaimers apply > >>http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang > >_______________________________________________ > >The_Dojang mailing list, 2,100 members > >The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net > >Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource > >Standard disclaimers apply > >http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang >_______________________________________________ >The_Dojang mailing list, 2,100 members >The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net >Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource >Standard disclaimers apply >http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang --__--__-- Message: 9 From: "michael tomlinson" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Re: kwanjulki Date: Mon, 15 May 2006 14:52:40 +0000 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net just the cool soundtrack music!!!! Michael Tomlinson >From: "Joseph Cheavens" >Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net >To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net >Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Re: kwanjulki >Date: Mon, 15 May 2006 09:11:43 -0500 > >Changes my analysis a bit. Lets see, as the defender tries to execute the >kick, the attacker lunges forward and either cuts the defender's rib cage >or punctures his spleen. As the defender puts his leg over the attacker's >arm while the attacker is still holding the knife (Holy Cow!!!), the >attacker rolls forward and pulls back and up with his knife hand and >immasculates the defender. The attacker then rolls over, cuts the >defenders achile's tendon and his hamstrings as he stands up, then cuts >the defender's throat as he drops to the ground. Did I miss anything? > >Joe Cheavens > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > > From:  joconnor@cybermesa.com > Reply-To:  the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > To:  the_dojang@martialartsresource.net, > the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > Subject:  Re: [The_Dojang] Re: kwanjulki > Date:  Sat, 13 May 2006 07:22:34 -0600 > >---------- Original Message ----------- > >From: "michael tomlinson" > >To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > >Sent: Sat, 13 May 2006 01:16:14 +0000 > >Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Re: kwanjulki > > > > > Looking at that picture,, now I know this is off base but we call > > > that a downward wrist break...in the terminology Master Hal > Whalen > > > developed to replace the Korean number system with the KHA... > > > > > > the photo shows some bad technique IMHO...elbows extended out > away > > > from the ribcage cuts down on your strength and creates what we > call > > > the tug of war syndrome..(very weak), the opponents hand should > be > > > rotated more in a clockwise position so the opponents palm lines > up > > > with their face,(this takes all the slack out and stops the > muscle > > > on muscle feel of that technique),,they are also using what I > call a > > > cheeseburger grip..(very weak)..that is when someones grip leaves > > > too much wiggle room between their palms and the opponents > > > hand...kind of like when you hold up a cheeseburger to eat > it...you > > > are mainly just holding it with your fingers instead of your > whole > > > hands...I know I equate everything back to food but hey..you got > to > > > go with what you know right? > > > >I don't know if it matters but that picture is part of a series of > pictures > >as part of a defense against a knife thrust (you can't really see > the knife > >in the attacker's hand in that picture but it's in the prior and > subsequent > >pictures).   So I don't know how closely the picture really > illustrates the > >proper technique that is being talked about here or is just an > approximation > >of the body positioning and, as such, is really about something > else... > > > >The series is... > >http://karenmitchellstaekwondo.com/Hwa-Rang%20Pics/selfdef2a.jpg > >http://karenmitchellstaekwondo.com/Hwa-Rang%20Pics/selfdef2b.jpg > >http://karenmitchellstaekwondo.com/Hwa-Rang%20Pics/selfdef2c.jpg > >http://karenmitchellstaekwondo.com/Hwa-Rang%20Pics/selfdef2d.jpg > >http://karenmitchellstaekwondo.com/Hwa-Rang%20Pics/selfdef2e.jpg > > > >Don't know if that changes the analysis of that given picture. > > > >Take care, > >Jay > >_______________________________________________ > >The_Dojang mailing list, 2,100 members > >The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net > >Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource > >Standard disclaimers apply > >http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang >_______________________________________________ >The_Dojang mailing list, 2,100 members >The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net >Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource >Standard disclaimers apply >http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang --__--__-- Message: 10 From: "Gordon" To: Date: Mon, 15 May 2006 10:01:06 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] Movie Links Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Dakin Burdick wrote: I second that! Thanks Jye! Gordon Okerstrom --__--__-- Message: 11 From: blueknightpi@worldnet.att.net To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Mon, 15 May 2006 15:17:43 +0000 Subject: [The_Dojang] Effective Wrist Locks and Alternatives Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Chiming in on the do wrist locks work subject. Yes I have made them work usually with a strike or kick as an attitude adjustment. None of what I say next is any revaletion fromthe Almighty, just applied tactics for reallly bad situations. If you are teaching either seld defense to samll women as I do at the University of Scranton, they do not have the size, confidence or time to learn this to a high skill level. If you are trainng LEO unless they are going to be long-term students of yours, you must give them basic survival skills first...control and arrest are one thing...staying alive when someone has gotten too close, surpised you or for whatever reason you can't get to your sidearm is another matter. I teach pretty basic stuff first, get off the line of attack even if only a samll distance as you move in (V-step)....use high payoff strkes: eye jabs, palm heels /hammer fists to face and jaw line, forarms to neck and throat, elbows to head. Put your body weight into all either by drop step and rise or turnig hios and shoulders as strike is delivered Keep kicks easy to execute: heel stomp to top of foot close to ankle, scoop kicks to shin, front kicks with foot turned off 45 degrees (to make surafe of weapon larger) ar sjin and knee, knees to common perorneal or groin with a swing of hipos like that of a wrecking ball. I teach three throws only: judo slam (osoto gari), body drop (tai toshi), and a arm grab to a front roll so he is your matteress followed by elbow strikes to midline and hammer fists to groinand face. That's not all, but it is a set of survival tactics that does work in most cases for smaller people. --__--__-- Message: 12 From: David Weller Date: Mon, 15 May 2006 10:53:49 -0500 To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Kick # 25 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net What is kick #25 ?? Just curious, could not really get the full impact from the video. Thanks dave weller On May 14, 2006, at 5:00 AM, the_dojang- request@martialartsresource.net wrote: > Message: 8 > From: "michael tomlinson" > To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] video clips: Grandmaster Ji, Han Jae > Date: Sun, 14 May 2006 00:43:08 +0000 > Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > > those are kicks 19,22,and 24 on the 25 basic Sin Moo Hapkido > kicks..... > > Michael Tomlinson --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang http://the-dojang.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/the_dojang Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and http://MartialArtsResource.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of The_Dojang Digest