Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 02:59:59 -0700 From: the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: The_Dojang digest, Vol 13 #223 - 15 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: kma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: The Internet's premier discussion forum on Korean Martial Arts. 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Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The Internet's premier discussion forum devoted to Korean Martial Arts. 2,100 members. See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of The_Dojang at http://MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! Today's Topics: 1. Re: Not even bring it to court (Beungood8@aol.com) 2. Re: The_Dojang digest, Pain Distraction (tim walker) 3. Justice (rwood) 4. Caring (Rudy Timmerman) 5. condolences (James Allison) 6. Re: Re: Pain Distraction (imakikr) 7. Re:KFCI Seminar (ISA Headquarters) 8. condolences (Dunn, Danny J GARRISON) 9. RE: Re: The_Dojang digest, Pain Distraction (Thomas Gordon) 10. RE: Re: The_Dojang digest, Pain Distraction (Thomas Gordon) 11. from another group: suggestion on wristlocks (Jye nigma) 12. Taekwondist refuses surgery (The_Dojang) 13. 7th Dan test (The_Dojang) 14. Re: Mr. Tomlinson's father (Lila Ralston) 15. WTF-ETU Seminar for Sports Journalists (The_Dojang) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: Beungood8@aol.com Date: Tue, 16 May 2006 13:58:45 EDT To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: Not even bring it to court Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net In a message dated 5/16/2006 1:40:11 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net writes: The incident involved two guys fighting outside a bar one night. During the fight, one guy tripped over the curb and went down with a broken ankle. The other guy then kicked him a few times. The cops arrived and saw those last couple of kicks. The guy then told the cop, "I had to get my licks in." The guy who did the kicking plead self-defense, saying the guy with the broken ankle started it. As the prosecutor, I did not focus on who started the fight. My arguement was that at the time the three kicks Most of us around here rolling up seeing that and knowing it was a street fight might not have even brought anyone in or filed a report. It would be a waste of time jamming court up with fools like this unless it was a robbery. --__--__-- Message: 2 From: "tim walker" To: Date: Tue, 16 May 2006 14:33:02 -0400 Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: The_Dojang digest, Pain Distraction Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net And in many parts of Virginia, "He needed killin'" is a valid defense. < To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Tue, 16 May 2006 14:03:26 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] Justice Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net God Bless Texas! IHS, Rob He who ignores disciple comes to poverty and shame, but whoever heeds correction is honored. Proverbs 13:18 This electronic communication is from Moberly Public Schools, and is confidential, privileged, and intended only for the use of the recipient(s) named above. If you are not the intended recipient, unauthorized disclosure, distribution, or use of the contents of this transmission is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please notify the CIS Department immediately at the following e-mail address: tech@moberly.k12.mo.us or by calling 660-269-2665. --__--__-- Message: 4 To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net From: Rudy Timmerman Date: Tue, 16 May 2006 15:16:16 -0400 Subject: [The_Dojang] Caring Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > Rudy, > thank you and I hope to see you before too long for some > training...Mike That would be awesome Mike... I look forward to it. Again, the best to you and your family during this sad time. Rudy --__--__-- Message: 5 From: "James Allison" To: Date: Tue, 16 May 2006 15:43:21 -0400 Subject: [The_Dojang] condolences Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net -----Original Message----- From: the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net [mailto:the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net] Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2006 1:43 PM To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: The_Dojang digest, Vol 13 #222 - 19 msgs Send The_Dojang mailing list submissions to the_dojang@martialartsresource.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net You can reach the person managing the list at the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of The_Dojang digest..." <<------------------ The_Dojang mailing list ------------------>> Serving the Internet since June 1994. Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The Internet's premier discussion forum devoted to Korean Martial Arts. Michael, I would like to send my condolences to you and your family. And in honor of your father we will have a extra hard workout tonight. Take care. Respectfully yours in Hapkido, James Allison, Georgia Sin Moo Hapkido --__--__-- Message: 6 From: "imakikr" To: Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Re: Pain Distraction Date: Tue, 16 May 2006 12:44:15 -0700 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I seem to remember hearing about an assault years ago. When the police arrived on the scene the would be attacker was laying on the ground and he was busted up real bad. The lady he assaulted was a blackbelt, (his bad). When the police asked her why she busted him up so bad she said, "He kept getting up"!!! I Guess that's basically going to be my answer to the police if attacked by some guy, that or, I don't know officer, but I think he fell down about seventeen times. Good luck in training. Sean Kay ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2006 8:26 AM Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: Pain Distraction >>>>ok so we've been talking about joint locks lately, but here's a side > question....supposed you get in a fight, use some type of distraction > technique > like an eye jab, and then you do a joint lock and finish the attacker with > another technique like a throw in which the attacker is seriously > injured....would you be in trouble with the law for going over board? > > Jye<<< > > Jye, > > There is no simple answer, as with self-defense and the law, the only > answer is "it depends." > > Whenever you hurt another person, there is the possibility you will end up > in a court room. "Self-defense" or justified use of force is an > affirmative defense where you admit you hurt someone, or even killed > someone in some situations, but you did so to protect yourself. > > I'm sort of short on time this morning to go into everything, but I will > share an incident that happened when I was working at the City Attorney > Office. I prosecuted a guy for assault. The incident involved two guys > fighting outside a bar one night. During the fight, one guy tripped over > the curb and went down with a broken ankle. The other guy then kicked him > a few times. The cops arrived and saw those last couple of kicks. The > guy then told the cop, "I had to get my licks in." > > The guy who did the kicking plead self-defense, saying the guy with the > broken ankle started it. As the prosecutor, I did not focus on who > started the fight. My arguement was that at the time the three kicks were > thrown at the guy while he was down on the ground, he was no longer a > threat, so those three kicks were not self-defense. That is what I > focused on, and he was found guilty because of those kicks, and because > when he was throwing those kicks it was no longer self-defense. > > Also remember, even if you get off of criminal charges based on > self-defense, you may also find yourself in a civil lawsuit over the same > thing, and the burden is not as hard to prove. Remember O.J.? He was > found not guilty in the criminal court, but had to pay a large sum of > money after the civil trial. > > If the attacker or attacker's family can convince a jury that you went > overboard, you may be paying them a lot of money. > > Obviously, first and foremost you must survive and go home to your family, > and I don't want people worried about going to court when they should be > protecting themselves, but the reality is you may end up there. This is > why awareness and avoidance are so important. Personally, my survival > plan also includes staying out of jail and keeping my house and money for > my family. > > If you do ever have to defend yourself, don't make things worse by stupid > statements like the guy above told the cop, "I had to get my licks in." > And don't go around saying how you'll "kill" the guy at the bar who was > acting up. Let people hear you say you don't want trouble. You don't want > to fight. Learn to difuse situations without violence. Be aware and avoid > being a victim. And if you can't do that, attack back and do what you > must to go home safely. > > Yours in Training, > Alain > > > www.burrese.com > For Your Safety - For Your Success > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > Check out AOL.com today. Breaking news, video search, pictures, email and > IM. All on demand. Always Free. > _______________________________________________ > The_Dojang mailing list, 2,100 members > The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource > Standard disclaimers apply > http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang --__--__-- Message: 7 From: "ISA Headquarters" To: Date: Tue, 16 May 2006 16:00:49 -0400 Subject: [The_Dojang] Re:KFCI Seminar Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net On June 24th, the Karate for Christ International Seminar will take place in Fayetteville, North Carolina. For details, go to: http://www.sungjado.org/News.html Respectfully, George I. Petrotta ISA Director www.sungjado.org/ isahdq@sc.rr.com -- ---------------------------------------- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter for private users. It has removed 4524 spam emails to date. Paying users do not have this message in their emails. Try www.SPAMfighter.com/pro for free now! --__--__-- Message: 8 Date: Tue, 16 May 2006 15:11:29 -0500 From: "Dunn, Danny J GARRISON" To: Subject: [The_Dojang] condolences Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Michael, Sorry to hear about your father. Sounds like he was a true hero. I will keep you and your family in my prayers. Danny Dunn --__--__-- Message: 9 From: "Thomas Gordon" To: Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] Re: The_Dojang digest, Pain Distraction Date: Tue, 16 May 2006 15:46:38 -0500 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Read the Florida law: http://licgweb.doacs.state.fl.us/weapons/self_defense.html A few quotable quotes: Q. When can I use my handgun to protect myself? A. Florida law justifies use of deadly force when you are: Trying to protect yourself or another person from death or serious bodily harm; Trying to prevent a forcible felony, such as rape, robbery, burglary or kidnapping. ************ Q. What if someone is attacking me in my own home? A. The courts have created an exception to the duty to retreat called the "castle doctrine." Under the castle doctrine, you need not retreat from your own home to avoid using deadly force against an assailant. The castle doctrine applies if you are attacked in your own home by an intruder or an invited guest. ************ Q. What if I am in my place of business and someone comes in to rob me? Do I have to retreat before using deadly force? A. The castle doctrine also applies when you are in your place of business. If you are in danger of death or great bodily harm or you are trying to prevent a forcible felony, you do not have to retreat before using deadly force in self-defense. --__--__-- Message: 10 From: "Thomas Gordon" To: Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] Re: The_Dojang digest, Pain Distraction Date: Tue, 16 May 2006 15:46:44 -0500 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net "And in many parts of Virginia, 'He needed killin' is a valid defense." Geesh, I can think of some folks that may need to avoid Virginia.... Thomas Gordon Florida --__--__-- Message: 11 Date: Tue, 16 May 2006 15:26:53 -0700 (PDT) From: Jye nigma To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] from another group: suggestion on wristlocks Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net this all depends [ once again ] on who you grab-------i like to pressure test the stuff--i always say lets try it! take your classmate, instructor , let him come at you---both of you wearing enough of protection to help, but not enough to let you feel the exp.---tell him to use everything [punches, knees, elbows, choking, hideen plastic or rubber weapons] then try to apply a wristlock--do this with people that can fight, because a street thug with exp. -can fight!--------------things like this cause innovation! look at dog brothers stickplay, it is not traditional kali, arnis or eskrima/escrima---ralph g. --------------------------------- Blab-away for as little as 1¢/min. Make PC-to-Phone Calls using Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. --__--__-- Message: 12 Date: Tue, 16 May 2006 16:26:49 -0700 From: The_Dojang To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Taekwondist refuses surgery Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Taekwondist refuses surgery, pursues Olympic title (Xinhua/chinadaily.com.cn) Updated: 2006-05-16 14:10 Double Olympic champion Chen Zhong, targeting her third Olympic taekwondo title in a row, decided not to repair her torn cruciate ligament until the end of Beijing Games. "I have decided to let it be because it would need a long period to recover after surgery, which would seriously affect my training and preparations for the 2008 Games," the 24-year-old told Xinhua at the National Championships here on Monday. Chen won women's +67kg in Sydney, where the sports was formally introduced into an Olympic Games, but has been suffering from right knee problems since 2002. She overcame the injury to retain her title in the 2004 Athens Games before undergoing an operation to remove her seriously damaged meniscus last year. "Doctors told me it's better also to have the ligament reconstruction surgery now. But the 2008 Olympic Games is a very precious opportunity, maybe the sole in my life, to realize my dream of snatching three successive Olympic titles." she said. "It's worthwhile to take the risk. And in Athens, I made it with the torn ligament. I did it once, and I think I could do it for a second time." Chen, who did not compete in the national championships, was working hard on her rehabilitation course, which was designed to strengthen lower limbs muscle. Her coach Chen Liren, who had guided her to Sydney and Athens glory, said he had to respect her decision. "The muscle tissue, to some degree, could substitute for the mechanical strength of the knee ligament," he said. --__--__-- Message: 13 Date: Tue, 16 May 2006 16:44:48 -0700 From: The_Dojang To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] 7th Dan test Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Missourian News May 16, 2006 Kicking it up a notch After nearly 30 years of training, Larry Winn earned Master status in tae kwon do By NICOLE FARRELLY If Larry Winn was nervous, you would never know it by his calm, focused and even jovial manner. In the gymnasium of the Harrisburg elementary school, he kicked, punched or sliced through the air, practicing intricately choreographed movements with Tom Cope, regional director for the United States Taekwon Do Federation. Earlier this spring, the two tested for their seventh-degree black belts, or Master status, in tae kwon do. The task requires performing patterns, kicking techniques, step-sparring, self-defense methods and breaking as well as demonstrating in-depth knowledge of the tenets of tae kwon do: courtesy, integrity, perseverance, self-control and spirit. Tae kwon do is one of the most commonly practiced martial arts and combines combat technique with sport and philosophy. It is different from karate and kung fu, mainly because of tae kwon do's famous kicking techniques — the kind that Winn had to demonstrate. "It took me at least nine or 10 years to where I got comfortable with it," Winn said, referring to breaking five boards with a 360-degree kick in the air and a concrete tile with his hand. There are more than 10,300 people with black belts in the U.S. Taekwon Do Federation, Master Renee Sereff said. After passing his test this spring, Winn is the 42nd of 43 master instructors in the federation, she said. "It's a pretty big deal," Sheila Winn, Larry's sister-in-law, said while she and other family members watched from the bleachers as Winn demonstrated his skills. For the Winns, tae kwon do is somewhat of a family tradition: Larry's brothers, a sister, his daughters, some nephews and his mother all have participated in the sport at some point. Winn, 56, of Harrisburg, has been training in tae kwon do for 29 years, he said. He began the sport after hearing it would help with his upper back and shoulder problems. "I got hooked on it and just never quit," Winn said. "I like it because it's not a team sport. It's individual. Everybody can grow and develop at their own pace and speed. You don't have to do it to win, just for your own approval." Tae kwon do has 10 levels of student ranks. Once a person has moved to a black-belt status, there are nine or 10 levels, depending on the federation. Different belt colors signify various levels of experience. A person taking tae kwon do for the first time, for example, would start with a white belt and work through the student levels to black-belt status. Once someone became a first-degree black belt, he or she would have to continually train for the number of years to move to the next level. For instance, to move from first-degree to second-degree, one would have to continually train for two years. To move to third-degree would require three years of continual training, and so on. "I didn't think it'd ever happen," Winn said. "You get to my age, and physically you're just unable to do it. It's a lot to do. I was pretty tickled that they allowed me to test." In order to be a master, Winn said, he not only had to concentrate on the physical aspects of tae kwon do — making sure the balls of his feet and his elbows were tough enough to endure breaking boards, for ­example — but he also made an effort to give back to the community by becoming an instructor and the federation's director for Missouri. "You know you can't be (the) absolute best," Winn said. "So you're trying to be the best you can be and try to give back to people. It takes a lot of dedication, lots of time away from you." To make it to the next level, Winn must train and teach for another seven years. Sereff said she has no doubt that both Winn and Cope will make it. Winn is approaching that milestone with humility. "There's a lot more qualified people than me, but you never know. I never thought I'd get here when I first started. If it happens, it happens." Winn said his tae kwon do career thus far has been good, and he is satisfied with his years of teaching. "If there (is) anyone out there that I have ever taught," Winn said, "Thank you for being a part of my life and, hopefully, I was something positive in yours. I have certainly enjoyed it." --__--__-- Message: 14 From: "Lila Ralston" To: Date: Tue, 16 May 2006 20:45:04 -0400 Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: Mr. Tomlinson's father Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Mr. Tomlinson: Please accept my condolences on your loss. My dad died in 1997 and I still see and hear things I wish I could share with him. --Lila Ralston, Live Oak Martial Arts --__--__-- Message: 15 Date: Tue, 16 May 2006 21:43:44 -0700 From: The_Dojang To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] WTF-ETU Seminar for Sports Journalists Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net WTF-ETU Seminar for Sports Journalists On the occasion of the 30th anniversary of the European Taekwondo Union and the European Senior Taekwondo Championships 2006, the European Taekwondo Union holds a seminar for sports journalists jointly with WTF. Date: May 25, 2006 Place: Hilton Hotel in Bonn, Berliner Freiheit, 2, 53111 BONN, Germany Tel: +49.228.7269-0, Fax: +49.228.7269700. Objective: To provide sports journalists with accurate and updated infomation about Taekwondo (history, rules, champions …) and its reform process toward a more media friendly Olympic sport Timetable: 09.30 a.m.: Registration 10.00: Welcome by Heinz Gruber, President of the German Taekwondo Federation 10.05: Welcome by Chungwon Choue, President of World Taekwondo Federation 10.10: Welcome by Athanasios Pragalos, President of the European Taekwondo Union 10.15: Introduction by Luc Sougne, Chairman of WTF TV Committee/ ETU PR Committee. 10.20: History, Technical challenges, by Rene Bundelli, ETU Technical Director 10.40: Competition rules, past, present and future by Chakir Chelbat ETU Referee Director 11.00: The role of the coach/trainer by Markus Kolhofel, German National Coach. 11.20: The champion's point of view by Laurence Rase (Belgium), selected for the Olympic Games in Athens, bronze medalist in the World Championships 11.40: Question and answer session 12.20: Closing of the meeting. Accommodation: Please go on the Web site of the Championships: http://www.taekwondo-em2006.de/ and click on hotels. You will find all the necessary information. Accreditation for the championships: You can also watch the European Senior Championships held in the Hardtberghalle, Gaustrasse, 1, Bonn (Tel +49.228.25.85.94.) from May 26-28 and get a press accreditation by sending a copy of your professional press ID to the German Taekwondo Federation (details on the EC Web site: www.taekwondo-em2006.de) Registration for the seminar: Fill the registration form and send it back to Luc Sougne no later than May 19. For more infomation, please contact Luc Sougne: Tel: +32.475.23.74.58., Fax :+32.2.426.54.68. or email: lucsougne@hotmail.com. --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang http://the-dojang.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/the_dojang Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and http://MartialArtsResource.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of The_Dojang Digest