Date: Thu, 18 May 2006 02:59:48 -0700 From: the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: The_Dojang digest, Vol 13 #224 - 17 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: kma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: The Internet's premier discussion forum on Korean Martial Arts. 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Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The Internet's premier discussion forum devoted to Korean Martial Arts. 2,100 members. See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of The_Dojang at http://MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! Today's Topics: 1. Mike Tomlinson's Loss (rdnhjms@aol.com) 2. VA Law (Frank Clay) 3. Condolensces (Frank Clay) 4. RE: VA Law (Joseph Cheavens) 5. Mike's Father (Kevin Janisse) 6. RE: VA Law (joconnor@cybermesa.com) 7. self-defense and courts (Don Ross) 8. June 3rd Seminar (kat_kelly@sbcglobal.net) 9. BAKS conference (Ray) 10. instructor pleads guilty (Thomas Gordon) 11. kiaijutsu (instructor@realtaekwondo.com) 12. ATTENTION ALL USAT REFEREES (The_Dojang) 13. Any thoughts on this phrase? (Mike Donahoo) 14. Michael Tomlinson (Don Kirsch) 15. RE: Any thoughts on this phrase? (Kay Ethier at Above and Beyond Learning) 16. Re: Any thoughts on this phrase? (steven riggs) 17. Racial Purity in North/South Korea (Ray) --__--__-- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 02:51:26 -0400 From: rdnhjms@aol.com To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Mike Tomlinson's Loss Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Just saw the post on Mike Tomlinson's loss. My thoughts are with you buddy. Still deployed again for IRAQI FREEDOM, but hope to be home soon. I hope to get together with Mike when I get back to catch up on all that's going on in the Hapkido world. Rick Nabors --__--__-- Message: 2 From: "Frank Clay" To: Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 06:12:18 -0400 Subject: [The_Dojang] VA Law Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net VA law would not support the defense that he needed killing. VA law requires that self defense be used as a last resort. In fact, when I was still involved in law enforcement there there was a gentleman whose house was being broken into by someone wielding an ax and yelling I'm going to kill you. The home owner shot him through the door killing him and he was charged. The prosecuted was contending that he was not in immediate jeopardy. The charges were dismissed by the court. In Texas that would not have been questioned but in VA it was rigorously reviewed. f. --__--__-- Message: 3 From: "Frank Clay" To: Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 06:46:32 -0400 Subject: [The_Dojang] Condolensces Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Michael, In this most trying of moments its hard to know what to say. All I can say is that you and yours are in our prayers. He sounds like a great man and we are very sorry for you deep loss. Frank --__--__-- Message: 4 From: "Joseph Cheavens" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] VA Law Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 08:51:15 -0500 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Heck, in Texas we might have pinned a medal on him. [IMAGE] Joe Cheavens -------------------------------------------------------------------- From:  "Frank Clay" Reply-To:  the_dojang@martialartsresource.net To:   Subject:  [The_Dojang] VA Law Date:  Wed, 17 May 2006 06:12:18 -0400 >VA law would not support the defense that he needed killing. > >VA law requires that self defense be used as a last resort. In fact, when I >was still involved in law enforcement there there was a gentleman whose house >was being broken into by someone wielding an ax and yelling I'm going to kill >you. The home owner shot him through the door killing him and he was charged. >The prosecuted was contending that he was not in immediate jeopardy. The >charges were dismissed by the court. In Texas that would not have been >questioned but in VA it was rigorously reviewed. > >f. >_______________________________________________ >The_Dojang mailing list, 2,100 members >The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net >Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource >Standard disclaimers apply >http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang --__--__-- Message: 5 Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 08:10:51 -0700 From: "Kevin Janisse" To: Subject: [The_Dojang] Mike's Father Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Hello Mike, I am very sorry to hear about your Father. Our prayers of comfort go out to you and your family. Sincerely, Kevin M. Janisse --__--__-- Message: 6 From: joconnor@cybermesa.com To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] VA Law Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 09:11:47 -0600 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I have to ask how much od this was due simply to the prosecuter wanting to prosecute the case and thinking he could make it stick. The thing to remember about the law is that the law is enforced and interpreted by people; people with differing opinions, experiences, biases and motivations Just because the law says "you can do..." doesn't mean that if you *do*, it won't still be as hassle to prove that you were allowed to do what you did Take care, Jay ---------- Original Message ----------- From: "Joseph Cheavens" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Sent: Wed, 17 May 2006 08:51:15 -0500 Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] VA Law > Heck, in Texas we might have pinned a medal on him. [IMAGE] > > Joe Cheavens > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > > From:  "Frank Clay" > Reply-To:  the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > To:   > Subject:  [The_Dojang] VA Law > Date:  Wed, 17 May 2006 06:12:18 -0400 > >VA law would not support the defense that he needed killing. > > > >VA law requires that self defense be used as a last resort. In > fact, when I >was still involved in law enforcement there there > was a gentleman whose house >was being broken into by someone > wielding an ax and yelling I'm going to kill >you. The home owner > shot him through the door killing him and he was charged. >The > prosecuted was contending that he was not in immediate jeopardy. > The >charges were dismissed by the court. In Texas that would not have > been > >questioned but in VA it was rigorously reviewed. > > > >f. > >_______________________________________________ > >The_Dojang mailing list, 2,100 members > >The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net > >Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource > >Standard disclaimers apply > >http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang > _______________________________________________ > The_Dojang mailing list, 2,100 members > The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource > Standard disclaimers apply > http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang ------- End of Original Message ------- --__--__-- Message: 7 From: "Don Ross" To: "dojang_digest" Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 11:29:28 -0400 Subject: [The_Dojang] self-defense and courts Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Others have pointed out the probability of a civil lawsuit resulting from a successful self-defense event even in the absence of a criminal proceeding. The burden of proof in criminal court = 'beyond a reasonable doubt,' while in civil court it is 'by a preponderance of the evidence.' FWIW, my personal self-defense strategy includes NEVER making a fist unless I intend to immediately strike with it, only knife-hand guarding positions... 'gee, Officer, I never even made a fist.', and the witnesses will confirm it. Also, my TKD instructors ingrained the 'crushing block' philosophy in me. If I have to block, its gonna be with the full power and destructive effect of an 'offensive' strike. 'Gee, Officer, I only blocked him from punching me. Maybe he shouldn't have assaulted me.' Again, witness will confirm, .. Don't get me wrong, a counter-strike would probably follow closely the block - after all, I have the 'right' to counter force with 'equal' force. In using that 'lawful' 'equal' force, I will inflict MAXIMUM pain and/or genuine injury on an assailant to stop them. IMVHO and experience, following a strict quid pro quo continium of force will get you hurt or killed on the street - the weasel will continue the attack until STOPPED DECISIVELY, not merely matched in force. If you only match them, they think, 'hey, he's fighting back, but I'm holding my own, so I just have to fight a bit harder to win.' pil seung, Don Ross Beginning is easy. Continuing is hard. - Japanese proverb --__--__-- Message: 8 From: To: Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 11:00:28 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] June 3rd Seminar Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Master Don Kirsch Seminar Houston, TX Saturday June 3rd 2006 10:00AM - 4:00PM Master Don Kirsch http://www.texashapkido.com 5th Dahn Hapkido Registration forms available http://www.braeswoodmartialart.com/Kirsch_Seminar_Reg.htm Braeswood Martial Arts www.braeswoodmartialart.com 4122 Willowbend Houston, TX 77025 713-283-6000 BE THERE OR BE SQUARE!!!!! --__--__-- Message: 9 From: Ray To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net (The_Dojang) Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 10:21:02 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [The_Dojang] BAKS conference Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Forwarding... CONFERENCE REMINDER THE BRITISH ASSOCIATION FOR KOREAN STUDIES Conference Announcement and Call for Papers The British Association for Korean Studies announces the hosting of its 2006 Conference from Wednesday 6 September to Thursday 7 September, 2006 at Halifax Hall at the University of Sheffield. The Theme of the Conference will be 'Generations in Korea: Past, Present and Future'. In the last century Korea has undergone several major social, economic and political transformations. Born and schooled in a country occupied by the Japanese, the average seventy five year old citizen has experienced two major wars, the partition of Korea into ideologically opposed states, the emergence of democracy, industrialisation, urbanisation, and the eventual development of their nation into a major economic power. This conference seeks papers that explore aspects of the ‘lived lives and experiences’ of this generation and their relationships with those that preceded or followed them. Students and scholars interested in presenting a paper at the Conference should submit a 250- to 500-word abstract to the Conference Organiser, Prof. James H. Grayson at j.h.grayson@sheffield.ac.uk no later than 1 June, 2006. The Conference Committee will notify selected presenters within a fortnight of the submission date. If presenters intend to use data projected materials, an attachment should be included along with the proposal. Anyone interested in attending the Conference should contact Prof. James H. Grayson at j.h.grayson@shef.ac.uk for details of the conference and procedures for applying to attend. Applications to attend the Conference must be received by the Conference Organiser no later than Monday 21 August, 2006. --__--__-- Message: 10 Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 15:45:51 -0500 (CDT) From: "Thomas Gordon" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] instructor pleads guilty Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Martial arts instructor pleads guilty to sexual assault BY TRISH HOLLENBECK Northwest Arkansas Times Posted on Wednesday, May 17, 2006 URL: http://www.nwanews.com/nwat/News/40709/ A 47-year-old Fayetteville man who was a martial arts instructor pleaded guilty Tuesday in Washington County Circuit Court to first-degree sexual assault for having sexual contact with a 12-year-old girl in a Fayetteville home. Anthony Dwayne West entered the plea in Washington County Circuit Judge William Storey’s court. West had initially been charged with two counts of rape and one count of second-degree sexual assault in connection with a Dec. 28 incident in which he had sexual contact with the girl, a former student of his. West was sentenced to 20 years in the Arkansas Department of Correction. He also was ordered to provide a DNA sample at a cost of $250 and register as a sex offender at a cost of another $250. He is to have no contact with the victim. The two rape and the second-degree sexual assault charges were dropped and he pleaded guilty to the first-degree sexual assault charge as part of the plea arrangement. West reportedly had the sexual contact with the girl at her mother’s home in Fayetteville. He reportedly was a friend of the victim’s mother. The conduct reportedly occurred while her mother was asleep in another room. "Mr. West, clearly you violated a position of trust," Storey told West in court on Tuesday. He called the crime West committed "abhorrent." --__--__-- Message: 11 Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 15:33:46 -0700 From: instructor@realtaekwondo.com To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] kiaijutsu Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Its a real art. There is a chapter on it in the book Feudal arts of Japan (I think that is the name). I haven't seen it myself but I thought that Art had died a long time ago. I would definitely like to experience it for myself. Master Eddie Urbistondo --__--__-- Message: 12 Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 15:49:07 -0700 From: The_Dojang To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] ATTENTION ALL USAT REFEREES Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net ATTENTION ALL USAT REFEREES The biggest event of the year is nearly upon us and you are an integral part of making the Junior Olympic Championships in Atlanta run smoothly and effectively. Applications for this year's Junior Olympics are now available on the USAT website. Don't miss out on this exciting event which promises to be even more special as part of the 10-year anniversary of the 1996 Atlanta Olympic Games. --__--__-- Message: 13 Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 17:22:02 -0700 (PDT) From: Mike Donahoo To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Any thoughts on this phrase? Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I am looking for the meaning, philosophy, thinking,and origin behind the Korean phrase "Il Sok Pil Sai" or "One Strike Must Kill." Any thoughts or insight on this would be greatly appreciated. Mike Donahoo __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com --__--__-- Message: 14 From: "Don Kirsch" To: "the_dojang" Date: Tue, 16 May 2006 19:58:13 -0700 Subject: [The_Dojang] Michael Tomlinson Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Michael, I'm sorry to hear about your family's lose. Thank you for your father's service to our country. Warm regards, Don Kirsch --__--__-- Message: 15 From: "Kay Ethier at Above and Beyond Learning" To: Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] Any thoughts on this phrase? Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 21:01:52 -0400 Organization: Above and Beyond Language Learning Inc. Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Isn't that, "one technique to finish" or "defense in one technique" or something like that? -----Original Message----- From: Mike Donahoo [mailto:mike_gregg_d@yahoo.com] I am looking for the meaning, philosophy, thinking,and origin behind the Korean phrase "Il Sok Pil Sai" or "One Strike Must Kill." Any thoughts or insight on this would be greatly appreciated. Mike Donahoo --__--__-- Message: 16 Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 18:15:32 -0700 (PDT) From: steven riggs Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Any thoughts on this phrase? To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net My first thought would be the possible relationship to the Japanese phrase for "One strike, one kill:. For Shotokan, Wado etc. the intent is to be so focused that the bringing together energy from mind and body intensifies and peaks precisely at the moment of contact. This also ties in the pulling of the true Japanese Kia where it is not just a loud yell but rather a pulling up of deep spirit and tying it as an explosion at that one millisecond of contact. Just my two cents and I could be wrong. Steven Riggs Mike Donahoo wrote: I am looking for the meaning, philosophy, thinking,and origin behind the Korean phrase "Il Sok Pil Sai" or "One Strike Must Kill." Any thoughts or insight on this would be greatly appreciated. Mike Donahoo __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list, 2,100 members The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang --------------------------------- Talk is cheap. Use Yahoo! Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great rates starting at 1¢/min. --__--__-- Message: 17 From: Ray To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net (The_Dojang) Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 21:52:37 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [The_Dojang] Racial Purity in North/South Korea Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Fowarding... FYI, on the subject of racial purity... from Digital Chosun 17 May 2006: Two Koreas' Top Brass Resort to Racist Mudslinging The second day of talks between North and South Korean generals on Wednesday got off on the wrong foot when delegates stooped to mudslinging over the racial purity of Korea. The debate erupted in small talk between the two delegation leaders ahead of discussions that failed to agree on the re-alignment of the maritime border. The North's delegation leader Maj. Gen. Kim Yong-chul started off an unfortunate thread by quipping, "Since the climate in the South is warmer, the farmers must be hard at work." His South Korean counterpart Maj. Gen. Han Min-gu of the South replied, "The population of the farming communities is actually falling, and many bachelors from such areas marry women from Mongolia, Vietnam and the Philippines." Kim reportedly grimaced and snapped, "Our nation has always considered its pure lineage to be of great importance -- I am concerned that our singularity will disappear." Instead of contradicting him, the South Korean delegation said such dilution of the bloodline was "but a drop of ink in the Han River," adding this would cause no problems "if we all live together." But this failed to mollify the North Korean. "Since time immemorial, our nation has been a land of abundant beauty. Not even one drop of ink must be allowed to fall into the Han River," Kim thundered. "Our history shows that we were able to maintain the purity of the Korean race even while living together with the Jurchen and the Manchurians of the region," Han countered. "That may be true," Kim pressed on, "but from Old Chosun" -- the earliest Korean kingdom that ended in 108 BC and spanned from western Manchuria through the northwestern regions of the Korean Peninsula and according to legend started in 2333 BC ? "through the Middle Ages and the modern era, it is undeniable that we existed as one unified race." url: http://english.chosun.com/w21data/html/news/200605/200605170016.html --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang http://the-dojang.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/the_dojang Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and http://MartialArtsResource.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of The_Dojang Digest