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Re: Re: Knife defense (Jye nigma) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: "imakikr" To: Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Knife attacks and defense Date: Sat, 20 May 2006 23:24:38 -0700 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Very good point Ray, Reactive knife defense is great to teach and very effective. It is simple and quick, both of which are important. Then use lots of drills after the students have been through the reactive training based on the body zones they might be attacked on. We use drills with the eyes shut, the instructors yells and the attacker strike which ever zone he or she wants with either hand. On the yell the defender opens the eyes and has to block and imediately take the attacker to transition. We also do a drill with the attacker behind the student, on the yell the student turns and has to block and take the attacker to transition. The attacker may use either hand and attack any zone they want. In the beginning there is a lot of dying, if it were a real knife that is, but the students pick it up pretty fast and then after a while they live half of the time, then it keeps improving. We make it a sort of contest between the partners to see who lives the most times. It is harder than you think at first, just try it and you will see. Soon the students start moving faster and react better to the zone being attacked and etc. It is also a good time to ingrain in them the concept that if you are attacked with a knife you will probably get cut so don't freak out, because you will choose where you will get cut, if you do, and it will be a non - vital area Good luck in training, Sean Kay ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ray" To: Sent: Saturday, May 20, 2006 3:00 PM Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Knife attacks and defense >> Question - other than staying alert and well clear of >> situations where you may be vunerable to a knife >> attack, what advice can members give on effective >> knife self defense. > > Many people think that a knife fight is two people facing off in > a dark alley, each with a knife in their hand. Therefore many like > to learn knife-on-knife skills, and it really is fun stuff to work on, > but it isn't too likely you'd ever use those skills in real life. > > What is more likely to be used is something like Reactive Knife Defense > (RKD). This is VERY basic empty hand knife defense. A simple block the > attack (should you actually see it) with the closest hand/arm and then > try to control the attacker's weapon arm. Then Nike-do, run the other > way... > > Ray Terry > rterry@idiom.com > _______________________________________________ > The_Dojang mailing list, 2,100 members > The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource > Standard disclaimers apply > http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang --__--__-- Message: 2 From: "Michael Atamian" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: Subject: [The_Dojang] Patch thanks Date: Sun, 21 May 2006 06:57:03 -0400 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Patch thanks Ray: It was my pleasure. Keep up the excellent work you are doing in trying to maintain integrity within the martial arts while giving everyone a forum. I enjoy reading the daily messages but do not often put my two cents in. I am from a generation of martial artists who believe in the sanctity of honor, respect and truth in martial arts, and there are still many of us alive and kicking in every sector of the arts. On October 22 of this year I will be celebrating the 50th anniversary of my being awarded a First Dan in South Korea, along with my best friend and Brother, Hyman V. Didia, and am honored to have been the vehicle in which Choson Do came to America. Please know that you can call upon me at any time if you wish any information on Choson Do. regards, Michael A. Atamian Doju The Choson Do Society --__--__-- Message: 3 From: "Michael Atamian" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net, "Ray Terry" , "Ray Terry" Date: Sun, 21 May 2006 07:48:36 -0400 Subject: [The_Dojang] CORRECTION Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Ray: 50th anniversary should be 48th anniversary. Hope you get this in time to correct before you publish my note back to you. I guess I was thinking about when Vic Didia and I first became friends...that will be 50 years this October 22nd. regards, Mike Atamian ----- Original Message ----- From: Michael Atamian To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Sent: 5/21/2006 6:57:02 AM Subject: Subject: [The_Dojang] Patch thanks Subject: [The_Dojang] Patch thanks Ray: It was my pleasure. Keep up the excellent work you are doing in trying to maintain integrity within the martial arts while giving everyone a forum. I enjoy reading the daily messages but do not often put my two cents in. I am from a generation of martial artists who believe in the sanctity of honor, respect and truth in martial arts, and there are still many of us alive and kicking in every sector of the arts. On October 22 of this year I will be celebrating the 50th anniversary of my being awarded a First Dan in South Korea, along with my best friend and Brother, Hyman V. Didia, and am honored to have been the vehicle in which Choson Do came to America. Please know that you can call upon me at any time if you wish any information on Choson Do. regards, Michael A. Atamian Doju The Choson Do Society regards, Mike Atamian maakaa@earthlink.net Support our Armed Forces - The World's Best! --__--__-- Message: 4 Date: Sun, 21 May 2006 05:34:42 -0700 (PDT) From: "Jason E. Thomas" Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] do wrist locks work To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net >Jason wrote: Of course wrist locks work. The trick is getting them to grab >your wrist! :) Yes sir, that's what the smiley face ":)" indicates. Don Kirsch wrote: Jason wrote: Of course wrist locks work. The trick is getting them to grab your wrist! :) Jason I think (hope you are joking)...we learn wrist locks from a wrist grab position in HapKiDo to teach the technique, the feeling of unbalancing your opponent and many other aspects of the various techniques. In the same vein I guess one could say if you are a TKD stylist.. I hope the attacker goes into a front stance, down blocks and attacks just like a one step sparring pattern so the TKD counter attack works! Regards, your friend Don Kirsch _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list, 2,100 members The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang --__--__-- Message: 5 From: "Don Ross" To: "dojang_digest" Date: Sun, 21 May 2006 10:24:42 -0400 Subject: [The_Dojang] Scottish Drs. and knives Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net While I understand the good Drs comments re a knife-wielder's potential to kill unintentionally, his thought that EVERY knife carrier is a potential murderer is like saying that every female is a prostitute and every male is a rapist - after all, they DO possess the requisite equipment... of course, since the UK has virtually outlawed self-defense and handguns, criminals who don't have guns will use knives, and woe be to any citizen who dares attempt to defend themselves. How absurd have their anti-self defense laws become? Well, the British Olympic pistol team has to actually go to another country to practice! Hopefully our UK martial artist cousins will keep the flame of self-defense, personal responsibility, respect for tradition alive. Our American ideals owe more than a nodding reference to British tradition and common law. May we be ever vigilant to stem such corrosion of our personal rights in this country. pil seung Don Ross Beginning is easy. Continuing is hard. - Japanese proverb --__--__-- Message: 6 From: "Don Ross" To: "dojang_digest" Date: Sun, 21 May 2006 10:47:05 -0400 Subject: [The_Dojang] doing kicks slowly Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Mr Riggs, Well, going beyond the stretching/strength aspects of practicing kicks slowly, I see several other benefits: balance, improved awareness of what your hands and arms are doing during the kick, ability to fine-tune the body mechanics of set-up, execution, follow-through, and recovery. Slow-mo is especially effective if done before a mirror, or videoed for review. Try it, you might like it. pil seung, Don Ross Beginning is easy. Continuing is hard. - Japanese proverb --__--__-- Message: 7 Date: Sun, 21 May 2006 10:30:49 -0700 (PDT) From: Jye nigma Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] doing kicks slowly To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I couldn't have said it better Mr. Ross. Jye Don Ross wrote: Mr Riggs, Well, going beyond the stretching/strength aspects of practicing kicks slowly, I see several other benefits: balance, improved awareness of what your hands and arms are doing during the kick, ability to fine-tune the body mechanics of set-up, execution, follow-through, and recovery. Slow-mo is especially effective if done before a mirror, or videoed for review. Try it, you might like it. pil seung, Don Ross Beginning is easy. Continuing is hard. - Japanese proverb --------------------------------- Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls to the US (and 30+ countries) for 2¢/min or less. --__--__-- Message: 8 Date: Sun, 21 May 2006 10:32:02 -0700 From: The_Dojang To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Iran wins Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Iran wins world university taekwondo Sunday, May 21, 2006 Iran was crowned at the 9th World University Taekwondo Championship in the port city of Valencia, east of Spain, IRNA reported. LONDON, May 21 (IranMania) - Iran was crowned at the 9th World University Taekwondo Championship in the port city of Valencia, east of Spain, IRNA reported. This is the first time a team other than South Korea lifts the trophy. The Iranian team, which had already taken three golds, two silvers and one bronze, needed another medal to topple South Korea in the 9th edition. Hadi Afshar helped Iran steal the show as he advanced to the final showdown with a 3-1 victory over his Spanish rival. Behzad Khodadad, Alireza Nasr-Azadani, and Mehdi Bibak won the three golds while Hamid Sar-Abadani and Mohammad Baqeri-Motamed snatched silver medals and Hamed Khameseh bagged bronze. Fifty-six countries pitted taekwondo players at the prestigious university event. Iran finished runner-up in the previous edition that was held in Greece in 2004. --__--__-- Message: 9 From: Ray Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] RE: wristlocks To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Sun, 21 May 2006 10:47:33 -0700 (PDT) Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > we do a thing to check and see if you have your opponents balance...we draw > an imaginary line from the top of the head down to each shoulder and then > across on our opponent...we call that the balance triangle.... I'm confused. I see a triangle using the top of the head and then down to each shoulder, but you lose me with the 'and then across on our opponent'. Are you turning the 2-D triangle into a 3-D solid? Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 10 Date: Sun, 21 May 2006 19:37:50 +0100 (BST) From: SlaneSavage To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: Knife defense Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net "try checking out jim wagners website...i had it bookmarked but can't seem to find it...just try a search on the web for "jim wagner police and military knife survival" "What is more likely to be used is something like Reactive Knife Defense (RKD). This is VERY basic empty hand knife defense. A simple block the attack (should you actually see it) with the closest hand/arm and then try to control the attacker's weapon arm. Then Nike-do, run the other way..." Thanks for the feedback, its very much appreciated. As the parent of a young teenager I am keen to find a few simple and effective techniques (not the fancy "demo" stuff) that I can practice with them and only to be used as a last resort, avoidance and "Nike-do" being the primary actions. Kindest regards Slane Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com --__--__-- Message: 11 From: "Sharon Tkach" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Sun, 21 May 2006 13:39:32 -0700 Subject: [The_Dojang] Seminar Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Sanshou (Sanda) Seminar by Wim Demeere of Belgium Saturday, July 1, 2006 1-5pm, $40 Kim's Hapkido Dojang, San Dimas, CA (northeastern Los Angeles County) Mr. Demeere was the coach of the Belgium National Team and won several Gold Medals in National Full-Contact Fighting. He is the co-author with Loren Christensen (who was recently named one of the toughest men alive by Black Belt Magazine) of "The Fighter's Body," "Timing in the Fighting Arts," and also contributed to "Warriors" by Loren. For more info, please email me: stkach@hotmail.com ~Sharon Tkach --__--__-- Message: 12 From: "Thomas Gordon" To: Date: Sun, 21 May 2006 19:03:21 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] Newspaper Coverage Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net The local newspaper did over a full page worth of articles about our school covering our recent Korea trip with Grandmaster Timmerman's National Korean Martial Arts Association and Grandmaster Seo's World KidoHae Federation. The was another article discussing our April testing. As usual, a few typos but thankful for the coverage. What a weekend. Mr. Michael Munyon (ITF) did a seminars this weekend and I'm beat. Great time! Thomas Gordon Florida --__--__-- Message: 13 From: "Thomas Gordon" To: Date: Sun, 21 May 2006 20:28:50 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] Newspaper Coverage (oops!) Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Doh! Forgot the link! http://www.cewnb.com/?p=147 Thomas Gordon Florida --__--__-- Message: 14 From: "jakskru" To: Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Seminar Date: Sun, 21 May 2006 23:57:23 -0400 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net "san dimas high school football rules!" --bill and teds excellent adventure NEO's first movie ----- Original Message ----- > Sanshou (Sanda) Seminar by Wim Demeere of Belgium > Saturday, July 1, 2006 1-5pm, $40 > Kim's Hapkido Dojang, San Dimas, CA (northeastern Los Angeles County) --__--__-- Message: 15 Date: Sun, 21 May 2006 21:21:26 -0700 (PDT) From: Jye nigma Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Re: Knife defense To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net i just thought of a cool drill for knife defense. have three guys line up. now one of the 3 guys is a knife specialist but the trainee doesn't know it. The traineegets to pick their attacker (all the attackers are knife weilders, but they represent the "unknown" skill level of a potential opponent) so for instance, one will be unskilled, another average skilled and the last very skilled. Now the attackers all have a goal ...to kill the trainee. in a martial art school I'd video tape each student's abilities but not allow the other students to see the attackers until it's their turn so they can't see who's the skilled person. a variation would be to simulate a bar scene, the 3 would be attackers are at the bar and the trainee doesn't know which attacker (at the bar) will attack him and when nor will they know what the skill level of the attacker will be.that variation sounds better. Jye --------------------------------- Sneak preview the all-new Yahoo.com. It's not radically different. 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