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Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The Internet's premier discussion forum devoted to Korean Martial Arts. 2,100 members. See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of The_Dojang at http://MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! Today's Topics: 1. Weapons (Bob Banham) 2. Re: Weapons (Alida) 3. Knife attacks and defense (Gordon) 4. Re: Weapons (Ray) 5. Re: Weapons (Tim) 6. Re: Weapons (AequitasResolved@aol.com) 7. Knife culture (Bob Banham) 8. Re: Random Break (Bert Edens) 9. Re: Knife culture (Ray) 10. RE: Knife culture (PETER.MCDONALDSMITH@london-fire.gov.uk) 11. RE: Scottish Drs. and knives (PETER.MCDONALDSMITH@london-fire.gov.uk) 12. Knife Culture (Gordon) 13. Re: Knife culture (Ray) 14. Bill and Ted's Excellent MuDo (Bert Edens) 15. Two new provisional MNAs (The_Dojang) 16. Re: Knife Drill (Bert Edens) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: "Bob Banham" To: Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 12:11:54 +0100 Subject: [The_Dojang] Weapons Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net With all due respect I think you will find that most Brits are quite happy with the law on offensive weapons and look at the situation in US with some concern. Very few people who aren't criminals carry any form of weapon. Although I owned and shot handguns before the law changed here, I don't feel agrieved or cheated because I am no longer allowed to do so. I don't know the figures but how many people are killed unlawfully in US with the sort of weapon we aren't allowed to carry/own here? Bob --__--__-- Message: 2 Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 09:41:13 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time) From: "Alida" To: Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Weapons Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I thought even in Great Britain there are those permitted weapons for hunting. If you mean that as a general statement, however - I'm afraid I must take offense. Both I and my husband carry handguns, with the proper concealed carry permits. Neither of us are criminals ;-) Alida -------Original Message------- From: Bob Banham Date: 05/22/06 09:38:04 To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Weapons With all due respect I think you will find that most Brits are quite happy with the law on offensive weapons and look at the situation in US with some concern. Very few people who aren't criminals carry any form of weapon. Although I owned and shot handguns before the law changed here, I don't feel agrieved or cheated because I am no longer allowed to do so. I don't know the figures but how many people are killed unlawfully in US with the sort of weapon we aren't allowed to carry/own here? Bob _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list, 2,100 members The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.1.344 / Virus Database: 268.6.0/342 - Release Date: 5/17/2006 --__--__-- Message: 3 From: "Gordon" To: Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 08:42:40 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] Knife attacks and defense Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Master Terry writes: LOL!!!!! Ha! Hah-hah-hah-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha! That's a hoot! Gordon Okerstrom --__--__-- Message: 4 From: Ray Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Weapons To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 06:45:06 -0700 (PDT) Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > .... I don't know the > figures but how many people are killed unlawfully in US with the sort of > weapon we aren't allowed to carry/own here? The figures show that more people are saved/protected by the weapons we can own here than are killed unlawfully w/them. Not something you see reported every day in the mainstream media, esp internationally, but true none-the-less. Freedom is a good thing. Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 5 From: "Tim" To: Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Weapons Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 09:57:12 -0400 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I don't know the figure either. What I can say is that after my brother -in-law worked in London for a year, he said that the US has much more violent crime. I strongly disagree that only criminals carry weapons in the US. Almost all of the states have a concealed carry law allowing non-criminals to arm themselves. The restrictions are on carrying them in establishments that serve liquor, Govt. buildings and schools for obvious reasons. I wasn't sure what to think when the laws passed allowing all non- criminals to carry, but now that the laws have been inplace a while the statistics of violent crime has dropped. I guess that its better for the good guys to be atleast even with the bad guys. After all isn't self defense what its all about? Tim Tim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Banham" To: Sent: Monday, May 22, 2006 7:11 AM Subject: [The_Dojang] Weapons > With all due respect I think you will find that most Brits are quite happy > with the law on offensive weapons and look at the situation in US with > some > concern. Very few people who aren't criminals carry any form of weapon. > Although I owned and shot handguns before the law changed here, I don't > feel > agrieved or cheated because I am no longer allowed to do so. I don't know > the > figures but how many people are killed unlawfully in US with the sort of > weapon we aren't allowed to carry/own here? > > Bob > _______________________________________________ > The_Dojang mailing list, 2,100 members > The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource > Standard disclaimers apply > http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang --__--__-- Message: 6 From: AequitasResolved@aol.com Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 10:00:26 EDT Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Weapons To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net In a message dated 5/22/2006 9:55:36 AM Eastern Standard Time, rterry@idiom.com writes: The figures show that more people are saved/protected by the weapons we can own here than are killed unlawfully w/them. I also read recently that the numbers of home invasions in the US when people are at home is a lot lower than in the UK, due to the fact that the criminal in questions doesn't know if the US residents are armed or not. --Amy --__--__-- Message: 7 From: "Bob Banham" To: Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 16:10:23 +0100 Subject: [The_Dojang] Knife culture Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net >From UK newspaper 22nd May. This was front page news in most newspapers.Would it even have got a mention in US? "Britain's "knife culture" has been blamed for the stabbing of 15-year-old Kiyan Prince, a talented young footballer. The youth team player with Championship club QPR was knifed as he tried to break up a fight outside his school. He staggered a few yards before collapsing in front of horrified pupils in the playground saying, "Please don't let me die," according to witnesses. There have been calls for the wider use of screening in schools following the attack, at the London Academy in Edgware, North London. The killing comes a week before a police knife amnesty, part of a Government crackdown on youth knife crime. Kiyan's mother Tracy Cumberbatch, a teacher, and his 18-year-old sister, are said to be "inconsolable". London mayor Ken Livingstone described Kiyan's death as a "senseless killing and a tragic loss of life". He is planning to write to the Home Secretary and the Lord Chancellor demanding maximum sentences for those caught carrying or using knives. Police are hunting a 16-year-old black youth seen running away towards Salisbury Court, a nearby block of flats. School principal Phil Hearne said there was a "real issue" of knives in the community but Kiyan's death was the first time it had affected the school. He added everyone there was in a state of shock. "We've got children sitting in corners either in tears or comforting someone in tears," said Mr Hearne. "Even youngsters who didn't know Kiyan are upset and very quiet. It's a genuine upset." Richard Taylor, whose son 10-year-old son Damilola died after being stabbed in the leg in 2000, said his heart went out to Kiyan's family. He told Sky News: "It is a really terrible thing that after six years we are still getting this form of lives being taken away innocently. "In my view our Government has done its best but it is not abating, it is becoming more and more each time." Bob --__--__-- Message: 8 Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 10:11:04 -0500 To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net From: Bert Edens Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: Random Break Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net >From: Jye nigma > >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6hn0NnOU0Kw&search=martialarts%20kung-fu Greetings, all... Interesting break for sure... But not what I think of when I picture an axe kick (the label applied by the uploader, not Jye)... But at the same time, I'd hate to think what he could do to a person's shin or knee cap with that kick... Ouch... **bows** - Bert Edens Springdale, Arkansas --__--__-- Message: 9 From: Ray Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Knife culture To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 08:48:39 -0700 (PDT) Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > ... The killing comes a week before a police knife > amnesty, part of a Government crackdown on youth knife crime. Amazing, simply amazing. Knife crime??? How does a knife commit a crime? Reminds me of something you hear the media speak of here in the US, gun violence. Just how is a gun violent? Why do we never hear of ball bat violence? It is the criminal that matters, not the tool. Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 10 Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] Knife culture Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 17:16:14 +0100 From: To: Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I don't want to seem disrespectful but please read within context; YOUTH knife crime. So when you state "how does a knife commit a crime", you forgot to mention the YOUTH PART. I won't go into the details of the culture of violence that of course can be maintained by any number of tools. Peter -----Original Message----- From: Ray [mailto:rterry@idiom.com] Sent: 22 May 2006 16:49 To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Knife culture > ... The killing comes a week before a police knife > amnesty, part of a Government crackdown on youth knife crime. Amazing, simply amazing. Knife crime??? How does a knife commit a crime? Reminds me of something you hear the media speak of here in the US, gun violence. Just how is a gun violent? Why do we never hear of ball bat violence? It is the criminal that matters, not the tool. Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list, 2,100 members The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang **************************************************************************** SMOKE ALARMS SAVE LIVES Go to London Fire at www.london-fire.gov.uk/firesafety This email is confidential to the addressee only. If you do not believe that you are the intended addressee, do not use, pass on or copy it in any way. If you have received it in error, please delete it immediately and telephone the supplied number, reversing the charges if necessary. --__--__-- Message: 11 Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] Scottish Drs. and knives Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 17:38:13 +0100 From: To: Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Mr Ross I must say that you sound like you are not aware of all the facts. I have lived in the US for a while. If I had the time I would go into the details of BRITISH law. Feel free to contact me separately if you wish. Peter -----Original Message----- From: Don Ross [mailto:YongKal3@msn.com] Sent: 21 May 2006 15:25 To: dojang_digest Subject: [The_Dojang] Scottish Drs. and knives While I understand the good Drs comments re a knife-wielder's potential to kill unintentionally, his thought that EVERY knife carrier is a potential murderer is like saying that every female is a prostitute and every male is a rapist - after all, they DO possess the requisite equipment... of course, since the UK has virtually outlawed self-defense and handguns, criminals who don't have guns will use knives, and woe be to any citizen who dares attempt to defend themselves. How absurd have their anti-self defense laws become? Well, the British Olympic pistol team has to actually go to another country to practice! Hopefully our UK martial artist cousins will keep the flame of self-defense, personal responsibility, respect for tradition alive. Our American ideals owe more than a nodding reference to British tradition and common law. May we be ever vigilant to stem such corrosion of our personal rights in this country. pil seung Don Ross Beginning is easy. Continuing is hard. - Japanese proverb _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list, 2,100 members The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang **************************************************************************** SMOKE ALARMS SAVE LIVES Go to London Fire at www.london-fire.gov.uk/firesafety This email is confidential to the addressee only. If you do not believe that you are the intended addressee, do not use, pass on or copy it in any way. If you have received it in error, please delete it immediately and telephone the supplied number, reversing the charges if necessary. --__--__-- Message: 12 From: "Gordon" To: Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 13:07:39 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] Knife Culture Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Master Terry writes: I agree. We need laws to govern the people, not their tools. (weapons of mass destruction excluded) Everyone has a kitchen knife at home yet, anything can become a weapon. From the empty hand of the trained martial artist, to a piece of paper, to an automobile, everything in our vision can be augmented into a weapon. On our outdoor training sessions, after the barefoot jog through the woods, after punching and kicking trees, after everyone is dog tired with their sweat-soaked dobalk heavy on their backs, we ask everyone to find a weapon in five seconds and demonstrate how they would use it. We get everything from a small rock as a projectile or hard point for a punch, to a crushed beer can as a knife or claw, to their belt as a parry or garrote. It's always eye opening what you can find just on the ground. Isn't that why we practice martial arts? We become the weapon. That way, we are no longer dependant on a weapon. Sure, we know how to use them, we practice with them and, they are handy to have around but, like Mr. Braithwaite said in Enter the Dragon; "Any bloody fool can pull a trigger." I would add: "Any bloody fool, with any imagination, can hurt you with anything at hand." Gordon Okerstrom --__--__-- Message: 13 From: Ray Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Knife culture To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 10:08:31 -0700 (PDT) Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > I don't want to seem disrespectful but please read within context; YOUTH > knife crime. So when you state "how does a knife commit a crime", you > forgot to mention the YOUTH PART. I won't go into the details of the > culture of violence that of course can be maintained by any number of > tools. So it was a young knife? Just kidding. But IMHO we should worry about the crime and the criminal, young or old, not the tool used. And worry about that which breeds crime and violence. Focusing on the tools of the trade simply turns our eyes from the real problems, perhaps because they are far more difficult problems to properly address. Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 14 Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 15:12:29 -0500 To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net From: Bert Edens Subject: [The_Dojang] Bill and Ted's Excellent MuDo Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net At 05:00 05/22/2006, you wrote: >From: "jakskru" > >"san dimas high school football rules!" >--bill and teds excellent adventure >NEO's first movie What can you say... There's on in every crowd... LOL **bows** - Bert Edens (whose 9 year old loves Bill and Ted too :)) Springdale, Arkansas --__--__-- Message: 15 Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 13:14:49 -0700 From: The_Dojang To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Two new provisional MNAs Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Announcement of two new provisional MNAs 22 May 2006 The World Taekwondo Federation is pleased to announce that two new nations have been accepted as provisional member national associations of WTF on May 19, 2006. Pursuant to Article 4 of the Rules and Regulations of WTF, the two new members, namely the Zambia Taekwondo Federation and the Sports Taekwondo Kiribati, will be provisional members until the official approval of their membership applications at the Executive Council Meeting and Extraordinary General Assembly of WTF to be held in Ho Chi Minh City, Vietnam, on July 24-25, 2006. With the inclusion of the two provisional members, the number of member national associations within WTF stands at 181 across five regional unions. In this regard, the African Taekwondo Union has 40 member nations, while the Oceania Taekwondo Union has 11. We, at WTF, congratulate and welcome the Zambia Taekwondo Federation and the Sports Taekwondo Kiribati into our global taekwondo family; together, for the betterment of taekwondo and WTF. --__--__-- Message: 16 Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 15:14:53 -0500 To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net From: Bert Edens Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: Knife Drill Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net At 05:00 05/22/2006, you wrote: >i just thought of a cool drill for knife defense. have three guys >line up. now one of the 3 guys is a knife specialist but the trainee >doesn't know it. The traineegets to pick their attacker (all the >attackers are knife weilders, but they represent the "unknown" skill >level of a potential opponent) so for instance, one will be >unskilled, another average skilled and the last very skilled. Now >the attackers all have a goal ...to kill the trainee. in a martial >art school I'd video tape each student's abilities but not allow the >other students to see the attackers until it's their turn so they >can't see who's the skilled person. a variation would be to simulate >a bar scene, the 3 would be attackers are at the bar and the trainee >doesn't know which attacker (at the bar) will attack him and when >nor will they know what the skill level of the attacker will be.that >variation sounds better. > > Jye Greetings, sir... We have done the same, but also add in the variant that of the three attackers, you don't know which is armed, much less with what they are armed... Certainly helps the defender to always assume the attacker is intent on having them (the defender) end up on the wrong side of the grass, and then they can scale down the defense as necessary... **bows** - Bert Edens Springdale, Arkansas --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang http://the-dojang.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/the_dojang Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and http://MartialArtsResource.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of The_Dojang Digest