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Re: Taekwondo Major at Concordia University (Ray) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: "rwood" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 07:28:13 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] Self Protection Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Mr. Banham, Let us not get bogged down in a pro-firearm v. anti-firearm debate; this is a martial arts forum. The topic of concern is the British stance on self defense. Please correct the following if need be. If someone were to invade a home in the UK and that home owner met the intruder with the intent of using force to protect family members or driving the intruder from the home, chances are the home owner would be in the cell next to the criminal. As martial artists we train for a variety of reasons; whoever defense of others and self are at the very core of our training. If a training hall/dojo/dojang can not offer viable techniques for use in perilous situations, it will not be open long. If a person cannot defend themselves when the need arises, how can they NOT live in fear? IHS, Rob Wood He who ignores disciple comes to poverty and shame, but whoever heeds correction is honored. Proverbs 13:18 This electronic communication is from Moberly Public Schools, and is confidential, privileged, and intended only for the use of the recipient(s) named above. If you are not the intended recipient, unauthorized disclosure, distribution, or use of the contents of this transmission is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please notify the CIS Department immediately at the following e-mail address: tech@moberly.k12.mo.us or by calling 660-269-2665. --__--__-- Message: 2 Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 13:28:32 +0100 (BST) From: SlaneSavage To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] RE Derense against knife attack - Teenagers Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Master Terry wrote "I guess at some point we should get back to KMA..." Agreed, when I posted the original message in was in context to young people in the UK increasing carrying knifes with no legimate use in mind and being prepared to use them to attack other teenagers with sometimes tragic circumstances. I did not mean this to stir up yet another diatribe on the USA / UKs vastly different approaches to the protection of its citizens from the more repusive members of our respective communities. Nor was I passing judgement on either approach. Personally I feel it is far to easy to air an opinion on another culture based on one's own set of values and principles without any sound basis or understanding of that culture. Back to my original post - as a parent of a young teenager, I would greatly appreciate some sound practical advice (and many thanks to all who provided feedback) on how I can help my child learn practical self defense techniques from an attacker who is armed with a knife. In the UK this is incresing more likely to happen, and the perpetrator is more likely to be an inexperienced gung-ho youth rather than an experienced knife user. Please note that my kids already practice the art of Nike-Do (Thanks Master Terry). Yours Respectfully Slane --------------------------------- Copy addresses and emails from any email account to Yahoo! Mail - quick, easy and free. Do it now... --__--__-- Message: 3 From: "Joseph Cheavens" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] Scottish Drs. and knives Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 09:35:56 -0500 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Don, handgun crime in the UK, along with other serious crimes (e.g. robbery, rape, burglary), has actually gone up since they passed their gun ban.  Kind of illustrates the NRA's old saw, "If guns are outlawed, only the outlaws will own guns." Good point with regards to the US basing its legal concepts of self-defense (including the 2nd Amendment) on the British legal tradition. Too bad the Brits allowed their government to start trampling their rights in the first place (e.g. the first firearm restrictions following WWI, passed out of fear of out of work soldiers). Joe Cheavens -------------------------------------------------------------------- From:  "Don Ross"  . . . of course, >since the UK has virtually outlawed self-defense and handguns, criminals who >don't have guns will use knives, and woe be to any citizen who dares attempt >to defend themselves. --__--__-- Message: 4 From: "Don Ross" To: "dojang_digest" Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 10:23:11 -0400 Subject: [The_Dojang] 'young knives, etc. Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I neither intend nor imply any disrespect to any UK citizens, martial artists or otherwise. To date 37 or more of the 50 US States have handgun 'shall-issue' permit programs. More law-abiding people than ever before are legally carrying concealed handguns, and violent crime rates are declining, even though we have an increasing population, and more guns than ever. In the UK, with your increasingly restrictive prohibitions on even handgun possession [and now a campaign to ban 'young' knives apparently ], how's YOUR violent crime rate? FWIW, here in Washington, DC, with its VERY restrictive gun laws, the death-by-firearms rate has been calculated as being higher than for US troops in Iraq . ANY ban on personal weapons [guns, knives (young or old ones ), ball bats, fly swatters, rolled up newspapers, chewing gum wrappers, etc. will never dissuade the bad guys from obtaining and using them. Why do you think they are called 'outlaws?' Rather, prohibitions only affect adversely the law-abiding. The US experimented with our own 'Prohibition' - banning the manufacture and sale of alcoholic beverages. The end result was a decade of violence and the rise of powerful, big-money organized crime organizations which still infect our society 70+ yrs later. We Americans owe our common law foundation to Great Britain, 'a man's home is his castle', to be secure in our possessions and person, a right of self-defense, etc. It saddens us to see those basic liberties being diluted and destroyed in the Mother country. It frightens us to ponder the possibility of our country following suit - may that day never come. If the citizens of the UK are satisfied with the laws their politicians implement, and the attendant results, so be it. The best of luck to you. "The reason that our people suffer this way... is that our ancestors failed to rule wisely." - Gen. Choi, Hong Hi pil seung, Don Ross Beginning is easy. Continuing is hard. - Japanese proverb [demime 0.98e removed an attachment of type image/gif which had a name of Emoticon1.gif] --__--__-- Message: 5 From: "Don Ross" To: "dojang_digest" Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 10:54:35 -0400 Subject: [The_Dojang] violent crime deaths Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net -- __--__-- Message: 1 From: "Bob Banham" > To: > Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 12:11:54 +0100 Subject: [The_Dojang] Weapons Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net With all due respect I think you will find that most Brits are quite happy with the law on offensive weapons and look at the situation in US with some concern. Very few people who aren't criminals carry any form of weapon. Although I owned and shot handguns before the law changed here, I don't feel agrieved or cheated because I am no longer allowed to do so. I don't know the figures but how many people are killed unlawfully in US with the sort of weapon we aren't allowed to carry/own here? Mr. Banham, 2 points in your reply I must comment on: l. You may not feel 'agrieved or cheated' because you cannot possess or carry a handgun for personal defense, but will you always be able to trump a criminal's knife, gun or bludgeon with your martial arts skills? How about when you become aged, infirm, cornered, or cannot physically use Mr. Terry's "Nike-Do"? We Americans called the Colt .45 SAA revolver 'the Equalizer' for a valid reason. I sincerely hope neither you, your family or friends ever pay the ultimate price because your politicians have 'protected' you. 2.re the number of deaths by weapons you cannot legally possess or carry in the UK: every death by knife or firearm IS NOT A TRAGEDY - if two drug dealers or gangbangers stab or shoot each other to death, this is considered in the US to be THE GOOD-RIDDANCE FACTOR, and society is none the poorer by their absence. pil seung, Don Ross Beginning is easy. Continuing is hard. - Japanese proverb --__--__-- Message: 6 From: Ray Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] RE Derense against knife attack - Teenagers To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 12:41:31 -0700 (PDT) Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > "I guess at some point we should get back to KMA..." > > Agreed, when I posted the original message in was in context to young > people in the UK increasing carrying knifes with no legimate use in mind > and being prepared to use them to attack other teenagers with sometimes > tragic circumstances. The final portion of the above is no doubt the operative part, however I do worry about the statement at the beginning. What is wrong with a young person carrying a knife? Most of my friends and I were carrying pocket knives daily from about the age of 8 or 10 onwards. And only a few of us ever did hard time... (I'm kidding!!! :) So I'm lost here. Is it that they are carrying fighting daggers or something similar? I just see nothing wrong with a kid carrying around good ole Case pocket knife, or something similar. A good pocket knife has a million and one uses in daily life. Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 7 From: "Greenbrier Tae Kwon Do Academy" To: "Dojang Digest" Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 19:22:08 -0400 Subject: [The_Dojang] Korean Under Japanese Rule Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I found an interesting site with several pictures taken in Korea while under Japanese rule. I thought I would pass it along. http://www.dgedu.net/student/tfokuk/menu/il.html James Morgan GTKDA Lewisburg, WV --__--__-- Message: 8 Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 18:32:21 -0700 From: The_Dojang To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Taekwondo Major at Concordia University Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net New Taekwondo Major to Initiate at Concordia University, Irvine, USA WTF.com Concordia University in Irvine, California, the United States, will establish a new undergraduate emphasis in taekwondo this fall; the first taekwondo major of this kind outside Korea. According to the press release of Concordia University on May 18, 2006, the new Taekwondo major will be considered as one of the Exercise and Sports Sciences, where students will be taught taekwondo science and theory, taekwondo dojang (school) management and taekwondo business. The selection of the first batch of freshmen will start from Aug. 26, 2006. "I am heartened that Concordia University is demonstrating great vision for the future by investing in this new emphasis in taekwondo. I believe that the exciting collaboration between the World Taekwondo Federation and Concordia University in supporting this new emphasis would greatly enhance the lives of your students,"said WTF President Chungwon Choue. Students are required to accomplish the following compulsory courses, among others: sports science, biology, taekwondo, sport management and marketing, dojang management. Theoretical and practical courses will be given by Prof. Chang-jin Kang, an Irvine citizen who owns a taekwondo school. With a 9th Kukkiwon Dan and 48 years of experience in taekwondo practice and lecturing, Prof. Kang played a key role in establishing the taekwondo major at the university. According to Prof. Kang, students who graduate from the course could be granted a 3rd or 4th Dan by the examination committee. He will also be in charge of international referee courses, exchange programs with taekwondo-majored Korean students, seminars and other activities related to this sport. Concordia University Irvine is the first American university outside Korea where taekwondo will be lectured as a major. --__--__-- Message: 9 Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 18:48:20 -0700 (PDT) From: Luther Veuleman To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Jyes Knife Drill Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Jye/Digest, I was trying to catch up on 25 digests I missed, but gave up and went to the last 3 or 4. I saw jyes drill suggestion, and was thinking, what about the way people in prison knife fight. You know, One guy standing there, other guy casually walks up, covers his left hand with his right, makes 10-15 quick short stabs, rapid fire style less than 2 seconds, then turns into a crowd of people undetected. "I didn't see anything officer" I always see people do knife defense stuff against a person just attacking with the one attack, but never with a dozen quick thrusts low like that. What'dya do? I guess make a bigger toothbrush-knife to defend yourself with. Charlie Veuleman www.TSDofLA.com --__--__-- Message: 10 From: Ray To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net (The_Dojang) Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 19:06:21 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [The_Dojang] knife drills Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net On the topic of knife drills, here is one. T I S T T ---> I = Instructor S = Student T = Training Partner --> = the way I and S are facing. The Ts are facing toward S. The instructor is standing behind the student and directs the drill. The student cannot see what the instructor is doing, so the instructor will point to the T or Ts that should attack next. This way the instructor can control how much time should pass between attacks or if more than one T should attack. S has to stay put in this drill, i.e. no running around. Only have each student "in the soup" for a min or two at a time as it can get pretty stressful. Rotate in a different S and repeat. Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 11 From: Ray Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Taekwondo Major at Concordia University To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 19:10:40 -0700 (PDT) Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > According to Prof. Kang, students who graduate from the course could > be granted a 3rd or 4th Dan by the examination committee. I hope that is assuming they are coming in as a 1st or 2nd Dan... Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang http://the-dojang.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/the_dojang Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and http://MartialArtsResource.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of The_Dojang Digest