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Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The Internet's premier discussion forum devoted to Korean Martial Arts. 2,100 members. See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of The_Dojang at http://MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! Today's Topics: 1. Re: Concordia University TKD major (sidtkd@aol.com) 2. Knife culture (Bob Banham) 3. RE: Knife Drill....loosen up!!!! (Boit Clinton Maj AF/A1MP) 4. Re: RE: Knife Drill....loosen up!!!! (Jye nigma) 5. Weapons (Amcreva Drogovah) 6. All-Women's Taekwondo (The_Dojang) 7. RE: Weapons (Joseph Cheavens) 8. Re: Re: Concordia University TKD major (imakikr) 9. Re: Re: Concordia University TKD major (Ray) 10. Who? (Ray) 11. Martial Arts Teacher "Conviced" (Thomas Gordon) 12. RE: Who? (Thomas Gordon) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: sidtkd@aol.com Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 06:29:37 EDT To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: Concordia University TKD major Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Point of correction here. Concordia is NOT the first to offer a TKD major outside of Korea. Not to mention those universities abroad in Australia and elswhere, but simply to point out that Radford University and more recently University of Bridgeport have had programs leading to a BA in Taekwondo. Concordia is not the first but a welcome addition. Sincerely, Sid Rubinfeld --__--__-- Message: 2 From: "Bob Banham" To: Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 12:14:49 +0100 Subject: [The_Dojang] Knife culture Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net >Personally I feel it is far to easy to air an opinion on another culture based on one's own set of values and principles without any sound basis or understanding >of that culture. Well said Slane! --__--__-- Message: 3 Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 09:06:54 -0400 From: "Boit Clinton Maj AF/A1MP" To: Subject: [The_Dojang] RE: Knife Drill....loosen up!!!! Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Do you guys go to bars feeling confident in your training and view everyone as potential attackers? Seems like you need to loosen up a bit. Nothing is funnier than seeing a marital artist at a bar with TKD shoes on ready to kick someone in the head.... Don't let your paranoia and ego spill into every fiber of your being. Yes, be aware of your surroundings, but the chances of you getting attacked at a reputable establishment is low--if you are being a friendly person. What's the ol' saying "if you are looking for a fight, you can probably find it." Relax a bit....geeshhh.... -- __--__-- Message: 16 Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 15:14:53 -0500 To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net From: Bert Edens Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: Knife Drill Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net At 05:00 05/22/2006, you wrote: >i just thought of a cool drill for knife defense. have three guys >line up. now one of the 3 guys is a knife specialist but the trainee >doesn't know it. The traineegets to pick their attacker (all the >attackers are knife weilders, but they represent the "unknown" skill >level of a potential opponent) so for instance, one will be >unskilled, another average skilled and the last very skilled. Now >the attackers all have a goal ...to kill the trainee. in a martial >art school I'd video tape each student's abilities but not allow the >other students to see the attackers until it's their turn so they >can't see who's the skilled person. a variation would be to simulate >a bar scene, the 3 would be attackers are at the bar and the trainee >doesn't know which attacker (at the bar) will attack him and when >nor will they know what the skill level of the attacker will be.that >variation sounds better. > > Jye Greetings, sir... We have done the same, but also add in the variant that of the three attackers, you don't know which is armed, much less with what they are armed... Certainly helps the defender to always assume the attacker is intent on having them (the defender) end up on the wrong side of the grass, and then they can scale down the defense as necessary... **bows** - Bert Edens Springdale, Arkansas --__--__-- Message: 4 Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 07:24:30 -0700 (PDT) From: Jye nigma Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] RE: Knife Drill....loosen up!!!! To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net A big part of martial arts is being aware. Being aware and alert is not being paranoid. It's the people who are not alert, aware and/or careful that get "got". so be careful. also a reputable location means nothing, because it's not the location that could hurt you, it's the people in that location that can hurt you. People need to wake up and get real with their training and the world around them or they wont be here long. Jye Boit Clinton Maj AF/A1MP wrote: Do you guys go to bars feeling confident in your training and view everyone as potential attackers? Seems like you need to loosen up a bit. Nothing is funnier than seeing a marital artist at a bar with TKD shoes on ready to kick someone in the head.... Don't let your paranoia and ego spill into every fiber of your being. Yes, be aware of your surroundings, but the chances of you getting attacked at a reputable establishment is low--if you are being a friendly person. What's the ol' saying "if you are looking for a fight, you can probably find it." Relax a bit....geeshhh.... --------------------------------- Sneak preview the all-new Yahoo.com. It's not radically different. Just radically better. --__--__-- Message: 5 From: "Amcreva Drogovah" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 13:43:48 -0300 Subject: [The_Dojang] Weapons Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net (((((With all due respect I think you will find that most Brits are quite happy with the law on offensive weapons and look at the situation in US with some concern. Very few people who aren't criminals carry any form of weapon. Although I owned and shot handguns before the law changed here, I don't feel agrieved or cheated because I am no longer allowed to do so. I don't know the figures but how many people are killed unlawfully in US with the sort of weapon we aren't allowed to carry/own here?     Mr. Banham,     2 points in your reply I must comment on:     l. You may not feel 'agrieved or cheated'  because you cannot possess or carry a handgun for personal defense, but will you always be able to trump a criminal's knife, gun or bludgeon with your martial arts skills? How about when you become aged, infirm, cornered, or cannot physically use Mr. Terry's "Nike-Do"? We Americans called the Colt .45 SAA revolver 'the Equalizer' for a valid reason. I sincerely hope neither you, your family or friends ever pay the ultimate price because your politicians have 'protected' you. 2.re the number of deaths by weapons you cannot legally possess or carry in the UK: every death by knife or firearm IS NOT A TRAGEDY - if two drug dealers or gangbangers stab or shoot each other to death, this is considered in the US to be THE GOOD-RIDDANCE FACTOR, and society is none the poorer by their absence. ))))) I would also like to mention if it is hard for us to get guns, it would be harder for criminals to get the guns. With that law in place getting a gun stirs up some attention and the last thing some mugger wants is more attention then he or her needs. You cannot always protect yourself. But, I really don't think that having a gun in your hand makes it any better. But, Thank you for your points, however I would also like to point out that Martial Arts are what Martial arts does. We are not taught to kill people and we are not taught to deflect bullets with our hands. Martial Arts isn't just about protection. It is a sport, An art and a way of life. Now the focus may shift more to one then anbother at schools but Martial arts is a multi-faceted subject. I haven't followed this subject from the beginning so please excuse my sudden intrusion on this topic. But, Any death is a sad experience, the drug dealer could have two children and a wife that use that money, because he has a family doesn't make it right. Try to put it in perpective, it is hard to do, but I know for a fact that you do not shed a tear for every death on CNN.  Your personal opinion is it is a GOOD RIDDANCE FACTOR, not all people from the states think that.  When that wife finds out her man is dead. Do you think it was good riddance? I don't think so. Please keep things in perpective. Guns are not a solution, and don't think for a second that I think that Martial arts are a solution over guns. Just remember that guns may have history, but guns almost never teach us how to live a better life, be more healthy, learn to be more self controlled, to perservere and look upon out challenges without a defeated mind. Just my opinion, Amcreva ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Test your trivia skills! Play MSN World Tour today! --__--__-- Message: 6 Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 12:47:52 -0700 From: The_Dojang To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] All-Women's Taekwondo Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net 500 Vie in All-Women's Taekwondo 24 May 2006 Philippines (Peoples Journal) - The country's female jins, led by members of the national pool, take the spotlight on Sunday, May 28 with the staging of the Petron all-women's taekwondo championships at the Ninoy Aquino Stadium. According to Philippine Taekwondo Association president Robert N. Aventajado, no less than 500 athletes from chapters and branches in Metro Manila and the provinces including the various military services are expected to vie for honors. Competition will be conducted in senior women, junior women, mid-junior women and gradeschool girls. The event provides an opportunity for lady jins to show their talents and skills in the sport which has attracted thousands of buffs from all over the country, including children. Organizing committee chair Sung Chon Hong says the event is part of the PTA's commitment to the development of sports and the government's grassroots program. The tourney is supported by Petron, Philippine Sports Commission, Accel and Milo. Competition starts at 9 a.m. (Story from the Peoples Journal on May 24, 2006) --__--__-- Message: 7 From: "Joseph Cheavens" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] Weapons Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 16:34:27 -0500 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net How do you figure? 70% of the guns used in crime in the US were obtained illegally (BATFE). If criminals can get heroine, don't you think that they can get guns, too? On a more apples to apples comparison, machine gun ownership in the US is very tightly regulated. Despite these restrictions, there are still incidences of machine guns being used in crimes in the US. However, there has been only one incident since these regulations were first put in place in which a legally owned machine gun was used (ironically, it was an off duty police officer). So, despite the tight regulation on machine guns, criminals are still able to obtain machine guns. In fact, it is probably a lot easier to get a machine gun illegally than legally. With regards to your statement about guns not being a "solution," I don't think anyone suggested that they are. They are a tool, though. Just like the knives in the original post, they can be used responsibly or misused. If someone is intent on hurting another person, restricting the types of tools available will not deter them. Ban guns, they'll use knives; ban knives, they'll use a hammer. Of course, since criminals aren't prone to obeying laws in the first place, such bans have little effect on their choice of tools. It does have an impact on what law abiding citizens can choose for their defense, though. According to research by Dr. John Lott, US citizens use firearms approximately 2 million times a year to deter crime, the vast majority of which does not involve the weapon being fired. Even according to the DoJ's victim surveys, which are prone to innacuracy in this particular area because of the way they phrase the question and because people are less likely to answer this honestly in response to a government agency, US citizens use firearms for self defense approximately 700,000 times a year. By comparison, according to the FBI crime statistics, firearms are used in approximately 2,000 crimes a year (again, 70% of those fierarms were obtaine illegally). Even taking the DoJ's conservative estimate, firerearms are used 350 times more often in self-defense than they are to commit crimes. According to interviews of criminals in US prisons, their #1 fear is not being caught by the cops but in running into armed citizens while attempting to victimize them. Just a few things to consider. Joe Cheavens >I would also like to mention if it is hard for us to get guns, it would >be harder for criminals to get the guns. --__--__-- Message: 8 From: "imakikr" To: Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Re: Concordia University TKD major Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 15:18:35 -0700 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net It is great that Taekwondo is spreading to the universities.. Grandmaster Chang Jin Kang that is involved in bringing the TKD program on at Concordia University was one of General Choi's students and set a record in Korea for the highest point totals ever scored at a korean national testing. He was also the Korean national Taekwondo champion. He was also sent by the Korean government to teach taekwondo to the special forces that were in vietnam during the vietnam war and under the direction of the Korean Government led a Korean Taekwondo demonstration team on a tour through Europe. Grandmaster Kang was one of the few that was invited to attend the last training workout directed by Genral Choi before his death. It was an "invitation only" event from General Choi. The reason I know this about Professor Kang, is that he is my Grandmaster and I have been honored to know him and train under him since 1995 when I was a 3rd degree. His whole goal in life is to spread Taekwondo and its positive effects throughout the world. He definately brings credibility to TKD. Good luck in training, Sean Kay ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2006 3:29 AM Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: Concordia University TKD major > Point of correction here. Concordia is NOT the first to offer a TKD major > outside of Korea. Not to mention those universities abroad in Australia > and > elswhere, but simply to point out that Radford University and more > recently > University of Bridgeport have had programs leading to a BA in Taekwondo. > Concordia is not the first but a welcome addition. > > > Sincerely, > > > Sid Rubinfeld > _______________________________________________ > The_Dojang mailing list, 2,100 members > The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource > Standard disclaimers apply > http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang --__--__-- Message: 9 From: Ray Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Re: Concordia University TKD major To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 18:27:08 -0700 (PDT) Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > Grandmaster Chang Jin Kang that is involved in bringing the TKD program on > at Concordia University was one of General Choi's students... > ... > last training workout directed by Genral Choi before his death. It was an > "invitation only" event from General Choi. But this fellow is Kukki-TKD now, not ITF? Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 10 From: Ray To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net (The_Dojang) Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 18:56:03 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [The_Dojang] Who? Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net This weekend... Matt or Royce? Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 11 From: "Thomas Gordon" To: Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 22:27:00 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] Martial Arts Teacher "Conviced" Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net The subject matter isn't funny....at all. But the title is funny. Was the instructor convinced or convicted or is "conviced" a new word? LOL! http://wjz.com/topstories/local_story_144073641.html Martial Arts Teacher Conviced Of Sex Abuse (AP) TOWSON, Md. The owner of a karate studio in Overlea has been found guilty of sexually abusing a teenage girl. Prosecutors say 41-year-old Howard Mitchell was accused of abusing the girl at his studio and at his home in Abingdon over a three-and-a-half year period beginning in September 2001, when the girl was 15. Mitchell is to be sentenced in August. --__--__-- Message: 12 From: "Thomas Gordon" To: Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] Who? Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 22:28:19 -0500 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I think Hughes will win. I just hope it's not by decision. Get together at our house Saturday night to watch it. :) Thomas Gordon Florida --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang http://the-dojang.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/the_dojang Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and http://MartialArtsResource.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of The_Dojang Digest