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Today's Topics: 1. Re: weapons, paranoia, lighten up, etc. (Jye nigma) 2. Re: GOOD RIDDANCE FACTOR (Jye nigma) 3. Mr. Stovall, was what happened to Bruce (Stovall, Craig) 4. Oxymoron (David Weller) 5. Re: Self Protection (imakikr) 6. Bruce Simms (Gordon) 7. Local Guard Services (The_Dojang) 8. RE: Self Protection (PETER.MCDONALDSMITH@london-fire.gov.uk) 9. bare arms........ (George Peters) 10. Who? (Ray) --__--__-- Message: 1 Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 12:41:37 -0700 (PDT) From: Jye nigma Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] weapons, paranoia, lighten up, etc. To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Heck yeah guns just about any type are available to criminals. All you need is 2 things....the connection and the money. Simple as that. I could write volumes on how US gangs get their weapons with specific info and from personal experience, but hey even I'm not that crazy...lol Jye --------------------------------- Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. PC-to-Phone calls for ridiculously low rates. --__--__-- Message: 2 Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 12:43:37 -0700 (PDT) From: Jye nigma Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] GOOD RIDDANCE FACTOR To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Speaking of which 3 young children and 2 adults were ran down in a McDonalds parking lot in GA. The youngest child (age 2) died. sad world we live in...and get this, the guy was said to be smiling the whole time. Jye Don Ross wrote: re the GOOD RIDDANCE FACTOR: if you choose to mourn the death of a career felon during the commission of yet another violent felony, get your own kleenex. Mine are reserved for the truly innocent victims of such animals, not their families and allies. --------------------------------- Be a chatter box. Enjoy free PC-to-PC calls with Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. --__--__-- Message: 3 Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 14:53:50 -0500 From: "Stovall, Craig" To: Subject: [The_Dojang] Mr. Stovall, was what happened to Bruce Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net <<>> LOL!!! Naw, that hatchet finally got buried...I think. Actually, it would get buried, dug back up, buried again, dug back up, etc. --__--__-- Message: 4 From: David Weller Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 15:06:33 -0500 To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Oxymoron Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Is this not a wonderful example of an oxymoron?? On May 25, 2006, at 2:49 PM, the_dojang- request@martialartsresource.net wrote: > Bruce can be found at www.hapkidoforum.com where he is a moderator > on many > of the forums. peace, dave "guns don't kill people, the projectile does" --__--__-- Message: 5 From: "imakikr" To: Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Self Protection Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 13:17:31 -0700 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Dear Peter, My condolances. Sorry about the terrible incident where your wife was stabbed, I had no idea and do not know if she or your twins were ok, but obviously hope they are still fine. I too would have lost it if someone had stabbed my wife or anyone in my family. My comment about our law in the U.S. was geared to be negative toward our courts and laws because unfortunately there have been cases where a criminal broke into a house and injured himself and then sued the homeowners and won even though he was there illegally and there to steal or potetially do harm. Why should these thugs have any rights when they break in illegally. I read the article about the young boy, a soccer player, that was stabbed to death, a tragic and deplorable act. The sad thing is bad people will always find, buy or make some kind of weapon to help them perpetrate their act of violence. It seems that no act of law banning weapons has ever been successful in keep those weapons out of criminal hands. While it does keep those weapons out of the hands of law abiding citizens and may help prevent some acts of passion crime where someone just reacts to an immediate emotional situation, grabs a gun and shoots someone and then sometimes shoots themselves, it doesn't seem to stop criminals intent to posess such weapons. Again I hope all is well for your family and I truely am glad you were able to defend yourself and family. Best regards. Sean ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2006 12:01 PM Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] Self Protection > Dear Sean, HOOOOLD ON A MINUTE! My very first post, which now seems > lost in the wave after wave of comments that have come through. My post > was in response to the tragic teenage death a boy outside of school. > This murder was committed by another youth using a knife. I never meant > to get into constitutional rights and so on. However what seems said to > me was that someone said in a post "that wouldn't make the news in US" > If I may add this, I abhor violence for violence sake. I love martial > arts for a number of reasons none them is to hurt anyone. > > The violent incident that I mentioned in a previous post involved an > approx 9" blade. It was about 13 years ago when my wife was carrying > our twins. She was poke in the belly by the above mentioned blade. I > lost it > > -----Original Message----- > From: imakikr [mailto:imakikr@cox.net] > Sent: 25 May 2006 15:26 > To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Self Protection > > Dear Peter, > The problem with the U.S. case you refered to was that the burglar > probably > tripped over a kids toy and fell and banged his head on the coffee table > or > something stupid and sued for injuries, whereas if the owners had just > shot > his butt or beat him with nunchucks and he fell over the coffe table, > there > would'nt have been a case. The problem is not in the gun law here it's > in > injuries on property because of being irresponsible, ie. you should pick > up > your rubber ducks so the moron breaking into your house doesn't hurt > himself, but you can hurt him if that's what it takes to subdue and > restrain > him until the police arrive. You are right in the regard that we have > property liability laws or courts that need serious overhauling, but > don't > muddy the water with those laws and our gun laws and our right to > protect; > its not the same thing. > Congrats on protecting yourself and not being charged, that's what > self-defense is all about. > Good luck in training, > Sean Kay > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2006 12:56 AM > Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] Self Protection > > >> Dear Rob, there has been a high profile case in this country in which >> someone used a shot gun against a burglar. He was sent to prison as > was >> the burglar. I also know of a case in the US where a burglar broke > into >> someone's home got injured and then sued. I don't think I have to >> defend the law of either country. I have been attacked by 3 people. >> They were put in hospital. I got arrested but then released without >> charge. Then my assailants were charged. >> >> Again I cannot comment on every point of US or even UK law. But > please >> do not preach piety regarding the US law system. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: rwood@moberly.k12.mo.us [mailto:rwood@moberly.k12.mo.us] >> Sent: 23 May 2006 13:28 >> To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net >> Subject: [The_Dojang] Self Protection >> >> Mr. Banham, >> >> Let us not get bogged down in a pro-firearm v. anti-firearm >> debate; this is a martial arts forum. The topic of concern >> is the British stance on self defense. Please correct the >> following if need be. If someone were to invade a home in >> the UK and that home owner met the intruder with the intent >> of using force to protect family members or driving the >> intruder from the home, chances are the home owner would be >> in the cell next to the criminal. As martial artists we >> train for a variety of reasons; whoever defense of others >> and self are at the very core of our training. If a >> training hall/dojo/dojang can not offer viable techniques >> for use in perilous situations, it will not be open long. >> If a person cannot defend themselves when the need arises, >> how can they NOT live in fear? >> >> >> IHS, >> Rob Wood >> >> He who ignores disciple comes to poverty and shame, >> but whoever heeds correction is honored. >> Proverbs 13:18 >> >> >> >> >> This electronic communication is from Moberly Public Schools, >> and is confidential, privileged, and intended only for the >> use of the recipient(s) named above. If you are not the >> intended recipient, unauthorized disclosure, distribution, >> or use of the contents of this transmission is strictly prohibited. >> If you have received this message in error, please notify the >> CIS Department immediately at the following e-mail address: >> tech@moberly.k12.mo.us or by calling 660-269-2665. >> _______________________________________________ >> The_Dojang mailing list, 2,100 members >> The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net >> Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource >> Standard disclaimers apply >> http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang >> > ************************************************************************ > **** >> >> >> >> SMOKE ALARMS SAVE LIVES >> >> >> >> Go to London Fire at www.london-fire.gov.uk/firesafety >> >> >> >> This email is confidential to the addressee only. If you do not > believe >> that >> you are the intended addressee, do not use, pass on or copy it in any > way. >> If you have received it in error, please delete it immediately and >> telephone >> the supplied number, reversing the charges if necessary. >> _______________________________________________ >> The_Dojang mailing list, 2,100 members >> The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net >> Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource >> Standard disclaimers apply >> http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang > _______________________________________________ > The_Dojang mailing list, 2,100 members > The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource > Standard disclaimers apply > http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang > _______________________________________________ > The_Dojang mailing list, 2,100 members > The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource > Standard disclaimers apply > http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang --__--__-- Message: 6 From: "Gordon" To: Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 15:20:42 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] Bruce Simms Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net One of my most favorite quotes I've read was from Mr. Simms. "You are only as good a fighter as your last technique, and you are only as good a warrior as the last promise you kept." Even if it wasn't his quote, he posted it and it struck me. Thank you Bruce. Gordon Okerstrom --__--__-- Message: 7 Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 13:27:38 -0700 From: The_Dojang To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Local Guard Services Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Local Guard Services American Consulate General – Hong Kong Call for Interest POSITION SUMMARY Homeland Security Corporation (HSC) / PPCT Management Systems is currently recruiting individuals for possible work in Hong Kong serving the American Consulate in the positions of Project Manager, Guard Force Commander and Surveillance Detection Supervisor. We are seeking successful, highly qualified and energetic professionals who will bring dynamics and enthusiasm to this very important project. The contract is for one base year period of performance with four additional years optional. This is an exciting opportunity for qualified applicants to contribute to a successful and demanding organization that embraces the importance of this mission in achieving our nation's security goals and objectives. Project Manager (PM) The PM fills a key position and oversees the daily operation of the guard force and reports directly to the Contract Manager. The PM supervises the guard force and security program, as well as the Administrative Staff, and ensures that all contractual obligations are met. The PM serves as the liaison to the Contracting Officer. Qualifications: · Fluent in English and any appropriate local language. · Completion of secondary school (or equivalent), and · A minimum of five years police, similar military, or local guard force management experience. · Desirable qualifications include university, police academy, or technical specialist training, prior guard-force management, with at least half of guard work experience being at senior supervisory or command levels. Guard Force Commander (GFC) The local guard force is led by the Guard Force Commander. The GFC is a key position reporting directly to the Project Manager (PM). The GFC serves as the senior operational officer, which provides overall supervision and control of all guards and supervisors assigned during the shift. The GFC's work hours are considered flexible and the PM may adjust the GFC's daily work schedule to include assignment to evening, weekend and holiday periods without a further equitable adjustment in the terms and conditions of the contract. Qualifications: · A minimum of five years of police, similar military, or local guard force management experience. · Experience with guard force supervision. · Desirable qualifications include secondary school completion and advance security training. Surveillance Detection Supervisor (SDS) The Surveillance Detection Supervisor primary duty is to command and supervise the SD Specialists. The SDS may be responsible for changes to guard orders, deployment of specialists and weekly scheduling, conducting inspections, investigates irregularities and making recommendations regarding discipline and termination actions. Qualifications: · A minimum of three years of police, similar military, or local guard force management experience. · Experience with guard force supervision. · Desirable qualifications include secondary school completion and advance security training. FOR CONSIDERATION Interested applicants are requested to e-mail their resume along with qualifications to the following address: recruitment@ppct.com Homeland Security Corporation Human Resources 102 Woodmont Blvd., Ste. 800 Nashville, TN 37205 615-234-6580 recruitment@ppct.com www.about-hsc.com www.ppct.com --__--__-- Message: 8 Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] Self Protection Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 22:43:55 +0100 From: To: Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Dear Sean, thank you for your concern. The skin on my wife's belly was barely broken but it was enough for me to see blood. My wife and twins are fine. Yes bad people will get knives or whatever tool to perpetrate their act of violence. However if carrying such a weapon is an arrestable offence. Then that should hopefully put would be offenders behind bars. Regards Peter -----Original Message----- From: imakikr [mailto:imakikr@cox.net] Sent: 25 May 2006 21:18 To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Self Protection Dear Peter, My condolances. Sorry about the terrible incident where your wife was stabbed, I had no idea and do not know if she or your twins were ok, but obviously hope they are still fine. I too would have lost it if someone had stabbed my wife or anyone in my family. My comment about our law in the U.S. was geared to be negative toward our courts and laws because unfortunately there have been cases where a criminal broke into a house and injured himself and then sued the homeowners and won even though he was there illegally and there to steal or potetially do harm. Why should these thugs have any rights when they break in illegally. I read the article about the young boy, a soccer player, that was stabbed to death, a tragic and deplorable act. The sad thing is bad people will always find, buy or make some kind of weapon to help them perpetrate their act of violence. It seems that no act of law banning weapons has ever been successful in keep those weapons out of criminal hands. While it does keep those weapons out of the hands of law abiding citizens and may help prevent some acts of passion crime where someone just reacts to an immediate emotional situation, grabs a gun and shoots someone and then sometimes shoots themselves, it doesn't seem to stop criminals intent to posess such weapons. Again I hope all is well for your family and I truely am glad you were able to defend yourself and family. Best regards. Sean ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2006 12:01 PM Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] Self Protection > Dear Sean, HOOOOLD ON A MINUTE! My very first post, which now seems > lost in the wave after wave of comments that have come through. My post > was in response to the tragic teenage death a boy outside of school. > This murder was committed by another youth using a knife. I never meant > to get into constitutional rights and so on. However what seems said to > me was that someone said in a post "that wouldn't make the news in US" > If I may add this, I abhor violence for violence sake. I love martial > arts for a number of reasons none them is to hurt anyone. > > The violent incident that I mentioned in a previous post involved an > approx 9" blade. It was about 13 years ago when my wife was carrying > our twins. She was poke in the belly by the above mentioned blade. I > lost it > > -----Original Message----- > From: imakikr [mailto:imakikr@cox.net] > Sent: 25 May 2006 15:26 > To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Self Protection > > Dear Peter, > The problem with the U.S. case you refered to was that the burglar > probably > tripped over a kids toy and fell and banged his head on the coffee table > or > something stupid and sued for injuries, whereas if the owners had just > shot > his butt or beat him with nunchucks and he fell over the coffe table, > there > would'nt have been a case. The problem is not in the gun law here it's > in > injuries on property because of being irresponsible, ie. you should pick > up > your rubber ducks so the moron breaking into your house doesn't hurt > himself, but you can hurt him if that's what it takes to subdue and > restrain > him until the police arrive. You are right in the regard that we have > property liability laws or courts that need serious overhauling, but > don't > muddy the water with those laws and our gun laws and our right to > protect; > its not the same thing. > Congrats on protecting yourself and not being charged, that's what > self-defense is all about. > Good luck in training, > Sean Kay > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2006 12:56 AM > Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] Self Protection > > >> Dear Rob, there has been a high profile case in this country in which >> someone used a shot gun against a burglar. He was sent to prison as > was >> the burglar. I also know of a case in the US where a burglar broke > into >> someone's home got injured and then sued. I don't think I have to >> defend the law of either country. I have been attacked by 3 people. >> They were put in hospital. I got arrested but then released without >> charge. Then my assailants were charged. >> >> Again I cannot comment on every point of US or even UK law. But > please >> do not preach piety regarding the US law system. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: rwood@moberly.k12.mo.us [mailto:rwood@moberly.k12.mo.us] >> Sent: 23 May 2006 13:28 >> To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net >> Subject: [The_Dojang] Self Protection >> >> Mr. Banham, >> >> Let us not get bogged down in a pro-firearm v. anti-firearm >> debate; this is a martial arts forum. The topic of concern >> is the British stance on self defense. Please correct the >> following if need be. If someone were to invade a home in >> the UK and that home owner met the intruder with the intent >> of using force to protect family members or driving the >> intruder from the home, chances are the home owner would be >> in the cell next to the criminal. As martial artists we >> train for a variety of reasons; whoever defense of others >> and self are at the very core of our training. If a >> training hall/dojo/dojang can not offer viable techniques >> for use in perilous situations, it will not be open long. >> If a person cannot defend themselves when the need arises, >> how can they NOT live in fear? >> >> >> IHS, >> Rob Wood >> >> He who ignores disciple comes to poverty and shame, >> but whoever heeds correction is honored. >> Proverbs 13:18 >> >> >> >> >> This electronic communication is from Moberly Public Schools, >> and is confidential, privileged, and intended only for the >> use of the recipient(s) named above. If you are not the >> intended recipient, unauthorized disclosure, distribution, >> or use of the contents of this transmission is strictly prohibited. >> If you have received this message in error, please notify the >> CIS Department immediately at the following e-mail address: >> tech@moberly.k12.mo.us or by calling 660-269-2665. >> _______________________________________________ >> The_Dojang mailing list, 2,100 members >> The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net >> Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource >> Standard disclaimers apply >> http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang >> > ************************************************************************ > **** >> >> >> >> SMOKE ALARMS SAVE LIVES >> >> >> >> Go to London Fire at www.london-fire.gov.uk/firesafety >> >> >> >> This email is confidential to the addressee only. If you do not > believe >> that >> you are the intended addressee, do not use, pass on or copy it in any > way. >> If you have received it in error, please delete it immediately and >> telephone >> the supplied number, reversing the charges if necessary. >> _______________________________________________ >> The_Dojang mailing list, 2,100 members >> The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net >> Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource >> Standard disclaimers apply >> http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang > _______________________________________________ > The_Dojang mailing list, 2,100 members > The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource > Standard disclaimers apply > http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang > _______________________________________________ > The_Dojang mailing list, 2,100 members > The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource > Standard disclaimers apply > http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list, 2,100 members The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang --__--__-- Message: 9 From: "George Peters" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 18:04:34 -0400 Subject: [The_Dojang] bare arms........ Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Hey guys, If this is a debate over sleeveless tee shirts, I wear them all the time , just try and stop me. Respectfully, George --__--__-- Message: 10 From: Ray To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net (The_Dojang) Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 18:45:02 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [The_Dojang] Who? Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Royce Media Workout http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8M6SKkeBBO4&search=royce%20gracie I hope he punches better this weekend. Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang http://the-dojang.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/the_dojang Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and http://MartialArtsResource.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of The_Dojang Digest