Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 02:59:24 -0700 From: the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: The_Dojang digest, Vol 13 #242 - 13 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: kma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: The Internet's premier discussion forum on Korean Martial Arts. 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School in Huntsville, AL (Thomas Gordon) 2. RE: contracts (Thomas Gordon) 3. New Korean swordsmith internet site (gregory brundage) 4. RE: RE Derense against knife attack - Teenagers (PETER.MCDONALDSMITH@london-fire.gov.uk) 5. RE: Contracts (enforceability) (Master Mark Seidel) 6. Re: UFC for women (Lila Ralston) 7. RE: UFC for Women (Stovall, Craig) 8. Hughes Vs Gracie (Gladewater SooBahkDo) 9. Re: Contracts (aburrese@aol.com) 10. Re: ADHD (tkdgalsamm@aol.com) 11. Silicon Valley fight clubs (Nathan Miller) 12. Re: Silicon Valley fight clubs (Ray) 13. video clip: childhood (Jye nigma) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: "Thomas Gordon" To: Date: Tue, 30 May 2006 00:03:39 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] School in Huntsville, AL Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Looking for a school in Huntsville, AL. We have a student moving that way. We are Taekwondo based and prefer the same but I'll take a good school with an honest instructor over a style preference. He's a good kid and we hate to see him go. Thanks! Thomas Gordon Florida --__--__-- Message: 2 From: "Thomas Gordon" To: Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] contracts Date: Tue, 30 May 2006 00:06:15 -0500 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Mr. Riggs, Please pardon the long reply. I'll answer your question with a question. You're a school owner. Do you make enough money to go full time without the aid of outside income? Another question, if you went full time, would your family fair well? As well as they are now? I mean that by quality time AND disposable income. And don't think I'm being harsh on you, I ask myself that all the time. And right now, my answer for our own school is a resounding NO and we offer a full time professional staff in a clean & large facility that offers the best martial art training in our area. We've got an edge there with my bride running the school...so no "dungeon dojang" funky smells. :) We don't offer contracts because they had a really bad reputation in our area when we opened up. However, a business has to survive. You can get a similar fashion of "contractual protection" via EFT (Electronic Funds Transfer). We use PPS (www.ppsbilling.com - POC is Kristen). To help protect us and secure payment, we have a 30 day cancellation clause. Pretty tame I'd say. For those that don't want to do contracts or EFT, they can pay 3-6 months in advance so that shuts down the whole "I don't want anyone to access my account" noise. A buddy of mine uses contracts and I listened to his pitch. Pretty straight forward that the student is signing a 12 month obligation. The contract protects the student and the school. The school is guaranteed income and the student is guaranteed training. Like most things in life, the contract is only as good as the signatures on it. Some people think a person shouldn't be locked into 12 months. Heck, would you want them if they can't commit to 12 months?! At this particular school, they get the first 30 days to try it out. I think that's about 2 weeks too long but it works for the fella...so who am I to say anything? If a student can't commit to 12 months after a 30 day test drive, let em hit da door. Now a lot of people are against contracts and I was too at one time. But when you hear the nay sayers, ask why. 1 - Are they looking at it from a student's prospective with no regard for the person taking the risk to open a martial art school. We put our home on the line and my bride quit her job (with benefits) so guess how much I care about someone not wanting to commit to $1K or someone that wants to sit in judgment of how we run our school. 2 - Or perhaps they work their butt off in a full time job and teach part time (and wonder why they have burned out bulbs they can't afford to replace). And you know, I respect some of these people but they have to understand that I'm not willing for my children to have an absentee parent(s) just so I don't break some sacred grail kinda crap about selling out. 3 - Or they have outside income to support their school (like they married a sugar-momma - LOL!). Some have retirement, no/little rent (a penny saved is a penny earned - which is why I lumped it here), live in their school (the liability makes my head swim), etc. In regards to upgrades, it's a part of life and we see it everywhere from fast food, tires, phone service, lawyer service, etc. Personally, I don't like upgrades that equates to supersizing where you get more kicks/locks/throws for more money. To me, that sucks. However, offering upgrade/add-on for different programs is a whole different thing. Best of luck to you and your school and training. Thomas Gordon Florida --__--__-- Message: 3 Date: Tue, 30 May 2006 04:02:45 -0700 (PDT) From: gregory brundage To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] New Korean swordsmith internet site Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Hi! I searched for information about Korean swords and didn't find a lot. So, I interviewed several Korean swordsmiths and manufacturers and took some pictures. I'm not finished, but the preliminary site looks OK and may be useful to someone looking for a Korean Sword... Address: http://gregorybrundage.tripod.com/koreanswords --------------------------------- Be a chatter box. Enjoy free PC-to-PC calls with Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. --__--__-- Message: 4 Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] RE Derense against knife attack - Teenagers Date: Tue, 30 May 2006 12:16:54 +0100 From: To: Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net This is a fairly accurate points you have made. Peter -----Original Message----- From: Ray [mailto:rterry@idiom.com] Sent: 26 May 2006 20:24 To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] RE Derense against knife attack - Teenagers > ... However I can think of > very few legitimate reasons why some urban dwelling kid reared on MTV and > computer games needs to carry even a pocket knife. As a tool. I carry a simple single bladed pocket knife, not a multi-tool. Yet I use that knife at least a half-dozen times each day to cut, to pry, to open, to reach, to screw... yes, lots of things that I should probably not be using a good knife to do. But there are a multitude of good reasons for a person of (almost) any age to carry a knife, male or female. The ways I use my knife daily probably differ little from the ways my grandfathers used theirs. > I am sure quite a number of DD members have teenage children, do you teach > them self defense against knife attacks ? FWIW, I have taught RKD (Reactive Knife Defense) to kids as young as 10 or 11. Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list, 2,100 members The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang **************************************************************************** SMOKE ALARMS SAVE LIVES Go to London Fire at www.london-fire.gov.uk/firesafety This email is confidential to the addressee only. If you do not believe that you are the intended addressee, do not use, pass on or copy it in any way. If you have received it in error, please delete it immediately and telephone the supplied number, reversing the charges if necessary. --__--__-- Message: 5 From: "Master Mark Seidel" To: Date: Tue, 30 May 2006 07:43:19 -0400 Organization: The Midtown Academy Subject: [The_Dojang] RE: Contracts (enforceability) Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Contracts are not enforceable in court because they ask for money for services yet to be performed. If someone is in arrears you can prevail but trying to collect for money for lessons not given is difficult. The exception is if you declare in the contract that the value of the contract may be sold or used as collateral and have them initial that paragraph. This is called factoring (selling or putting up as collateral your contracts to a bank or company for operating cash. Then you must prove that you did that. The number one reason a student gives for why they quit id injury which is a valid defense followed by being taught by other students that are not qualified to teach and then moving to far away. IMHO contracts are at best a bluff as most people do not want to go to court. Mark -----Original Message----- From: the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net [mailto:the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net] Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2006 6:00 AM To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: The_Dojang digest, Vol 13 #241 - 11 msgs Send The_Dojang mailing list submissions to the_dojang@martialartsresource.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net You can reach the person managing the list at the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of The_Dojang digest..." --__--__-- Message: 6 From: "Lila Ralston" To: Date: Tue, 30 May 2006 08:00:49 -0400 Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: UFC for women Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I'd be happy if they'd just get rid of the "ring girls". As for women's UFC...I don't know. I interviewed Forrest Griffin for my local city magazine and asked him what he wished people knew about UFC. He said he wished people knew the difference between UFC and pro wrestling. If I were a woman fighter of that caliber, I wouldn't want to participate in something that people would confuse with the "Gorgeous Ladies of Wrestling"--I'd stick to one of the less theatrical martial arts. Women boxers are beginning to be taken seriously, for example, and I think even the general public can distinguish judo or taekwondo from pro wrestling (the uniforms are a clue!). --Lila Ralston, Live Oak Martial Arts --__--__-- Message: 7 Date: Tue, 30 May 2006 08:44:17 -0500 From: "Stovall, Craig" To: Subject: [The_Dojang] RE: UFC for Women Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Actually, it already exists. 'King of the Cage' has been putting on women's fights for years now, and there is a promotion in Japan called 'Smackgirl' that is gaining some prestige. I'm not sure if there are any plans by the UFC to have such bouts in the future, but I would urge you to send a letter or e-mail to Dana White to let him know that the interest is out there. Personally, I'm not against this type of fighting, but I really don't enjoy watching it either. I don't care for women's boxing either. The strange thing is that I can't tell you why. Just something about seeing two women beat on each other. Doesn't do a thing for me even if there are bikinis and jello involved. --__--__-- Message: 8 From: "Gladewater SooBahkDo" To: "the_dojang" Date: Tue, 30 May 2006 07:27:23 -0700 Subject: [The_Dojang] Hughes Vs Gracie Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Well the fight is over and Hughes won. Just as I expected it went to the ground, but when Matt landed in side control I new Gracie would have a hard time. I have been there with guys that are very strong. Gracie did try some very slick moves from his back that are hard to appreciate unless you know the ground game. However in the end he gave up his back and Matt was just to strong, and punched him from the back getting Big John to stop the fight. Although Gracie lost the fight, and lost it bad, you have to give credit to him for not submitting to the armbar. Matt had his elbow bend in an ugly position. I would have liked to see Gracie win but Matt earned it, and you can't take that away from him. JCGet more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com --__--__-- Message: 9 Date: Tue, 30 May 2006 11:13:27 -0400 From: aburrese@aol.com To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: Contracts Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Mark, Great news about opening your own school. I know we talked about this in Boise during lunch and after the seminar. I wish you all the best with it. I hope it is a huge success and that you will enjoy the journey. Regarding the contracts. It is a good idea to see what others are using, but when you get yours drafted it would be a good idea to run it past a local attorney. Contracts will be governed by the law of your state, so you want to make sure it works for you where you are. Again, I wish you all the best with opening your school! Alain www.burrese.com For Your Safety - For Your Success --__--__-- Message: 10 Date: Tue, 30 May 2006 14:05:52 -0400 From: tkdgalsamm@aol.com To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: ADHD Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net <<<<<<<<<>>>>>>> All good points to be sure, but in my humble opinion, it's running rampant because it's over diagnosed. I've seen children that are friends of my children that are no more ADHD than the man in the moon. In my opinion the problem with the kids I'm talking about is their parents. These kids are failing because the parents aren't involved. Leave any kid to their own devices and see how many do homework and complete assignments! All the proof you need is seeing my daughter when she is not on medication. I don't give it to her on weekends or during summer, unless she asks (which she will if they are going to a museum, etc.). With medication, she is able to maintain honor roll grades and functions quite well. Without medication, she is not able to focus long enough on her work or lessons to function. Possibly this wasn't on topic, but I thought I'd throw my 2 cents in. Just my opinion. Loretta --__--__-- Message: 11 Date: Tue, 30 May 2006 22:54:31 -0500 From: "Nathan Miller" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Silicon Valley fight clubs Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net USA Today ran a brief article on an upsurge in the popularity of underground fight clubs amongst tech workers in California. http://www.usatoday.com/tech/news/2006-05-29-fight-club_x.htm Frying pans? Pillowcases stuffed with soda cans? Nathan --__--__-- Message: 12 From: Ray Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Silicon Valley fight clubs To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Tue, 30 May 2006 21:46:11 -0700 (PDT) Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > USA Today ran a brief article on an upsurge in the popularity of > underground fight clubs amongst tech workers in California. > > http://www.usatoday.com/tech/news/2006-05-29-fight-club_x.htm > > Frying pans? Pillowcases stuffed with soda cans? Strange as it may seem, a few don't even meet in the same place twice to reduce visibility. No frying pans or pillowcases, just sticks. Interesting groups... Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 13 Date: Tue, 30 May 2006 21:52:39 -0700 (PDT) From: Jye nigma To: MartialArtsTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: [The_Dojang] video clip: childhood Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net http://www.shaolinkungfu.claranet.de/childhood_kungfu1.mpg --------------------------------- Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls to the US (and 30+ countries) for 2¢/min or less. --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang http://the-dojang.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/the_dojang Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and http://MartialArtsResource.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of The_Dojang Digest