Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2006 10:52:27 -0700 From: the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: The_Dojang digest, Vol 13 #245 - 14 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: kma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: The Internet's premier discussion forum on Korean Martial Arts. 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Today's Topics: 1. video clip: o-sensei (Jye nigma) 2. video clip: deaths and injuries in mma (Jye nigma) 3. wow (Jye nigma) 4. Response to fight club (poesel darren) 5. video clips: ksw (Jye nigma) 6. Women In UFC (Amcreva Drogovah) 7. RE: STUDENT MOVING (Lehr, Sage) 8. RE: Response to fight club (Woodard Brian (ChP/TEF8)) 9. RE: korean swordsmith site (Joseph Cheavens) 10. Re:David Sgro in Fayetteville (ISA Headquarters) 11. Re: Women In UFC (joconnor@cybermesa.com) 12. Re: Women In UFC (joconnor@cybermesa.com) 13. Re: Master Sgro (Samurai Latino) 14. Velencia seminar (Martial Arts Seminars) --__--__-- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 21:43:26 -0700 (PDT) From: Jye nigma To: MartialArtsTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: [The_Dojang] video clip: o-sensei Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EEdsT-R9Pys&search=ueshiba --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Get on board. You're invited to try the new Yahoo! Mail Beta. --__--__-- Message: 2 Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 22:10:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Jye nigma To: MartialArtsTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: [The_Dojang] video clip: deaths and injuries in mma Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iucJvMl_B7M&search=itf --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Get on board. You're invited to try the new Yahoo! Mail Beta. --__--__-- Message: 3 Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 22:15:20 -0700 (PDT) From: Jye nigma To: itf-taekwondo@yahoogroups.com, the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] wow Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net This woman makes being flexible look so good! her kicks are nice (as far as being high and done with control): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gcYR16CTTGI&search=taekwondo Jye --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail Beta. --__--__-- Message: 4 Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 22:42:05 -0700 (PDT) From: poesel darren To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Response to fight club Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Ladies, Why does this forum waste its time commenting on something that does not even merit discussion on a page for martial arts. If you want to fight, join the Marines! If not, shut up you wanna be! This is my second combat tour in Iraq, not to mention tours in Afghanistan, the Balkans and the first Gulf War. Semper Fi, Darren C. Poesel LtCol USMC - (5th Dan) Baghdad, Iraq --__--__-- Message: 5 Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 23:03:19 -0700 (PDT) From: Jye nigma To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] video clips: ksw Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pczyaE7_3AI&search=kuk%20sool http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OYwjI0is15I&search=kuk%20sool --------------------------------- Talk is cheap. Use Yahoo! Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great rates starting at 1¢/min. --__--__-- Message: 6 From: "Amcreva Drogovah" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2006 08:27:24 -0300 Subject: [The_Dojang] Women In UFC Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I agree with you guys. Now, with MMA, something disturbs me about the whole thing. I enjoy seeing the bouts that are true martial arts ability, but it becomes too gresome for me when the fight becomes about ground and pound. (And a few other things) I understand that having the ref call the fight or have your opponent become unresponsive to anyone is the point of the bout.  I don't like it. I'll stick with my very flawed point system. I personally always want to think that in sparring (Not self defence) that my oppenent is going to let me get up. Instead of punce the crap out of my face until the ref vcalls a stop to the match. I see no honor in the UFC. Some fighters have some of the martial arts training and the 'do' seems to have rubbed off on them. However, I think in the next few years, these martial artists will be showboating, arrogant and the fights will be. (As you said) More for the blood then the art and ability of the fighters. I"m more of a history girl myself, still stuck with the honor code and strikes. The gound game, grappleing and joint locks. Not really my thing, I do not like inflicting pain to someone else. However, I guess you'll never know how you will react until you are in the ring and fighting. However, I have no intention of going into a UFC for women. (However, I do think you for the contact) Well, perhaps someone can tell me. Why is the women version of sports (Rugby, Football, Taekwondo, boxing etc.) always less exciting then the men's? ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Reward your sense of adventure with MSN World Tour --__--__-- Message: 7 Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] STUDENT MOVING Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2006 07:45:10 -0500 From: "Lehr, Sage" To: Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Gordon, I would suggest checking out All American Combat Hapkido. I am not sure how old your son is, but Kevin Myers is a solid Hapkido instructor and is located on Ft. Bragg. http://www.allamericancombathapkido.com/ Sage Lehr -----Original Message----- From: Gordon [mailto:gordon@baes.com] Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2006 5:11 PM To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] STUDENT MOVING Hi all, We have a student moving to Hope Hills, NC (South West Feyetteville area). He's a good boy and just received 1st Dan in Tae Kwon Do with the ITF Tuls (Chon Ji, Dan Gun, etc). He is a military brat and dad is moving the family to Ft. Bragg. He loves the UFC stuff and says he wants to try a mixed martial arts school that offers TKD and Ju Jit Tsu. I'm trying to keep him in a KMA TKD/HKD school but, we're open to suggestions. So, does anyone know of a good instructor, in the area, to recommend to him? Gordon Okerstrom _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list, 2,100 members The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang --__--__-- Message: 8 Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] Response to fight club Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2006 09:28:04 -0400 From: "Woodard Brian (ChP/TEF8)" To: Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net My sincerest thank you for your continued service to our country and the Marines. Best Regards, Brian D. Woodard -----Original Message----- From: poesel darren [mailto:poeseldc2000@yahoo.com] Sent: Thursday, June 01, 2006 1:42 AM To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Response to fight club Ladies, Why does this forum waste its time commenting on something that does not even merit discussion on a page for martial arts. If you want to fight, join the Marines! If not, shut up you wanna be! This is my second combat tour in Iraq, not to mention tours in Afghanistan, the Balkans and the first Gulf War. Semper Fi, Darren C. Poesel LtCol USMC - (5th Dan) Baghdad, Iraq _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list, 2,100 members The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang --__--__-- Message: 9 From: "Joseph Cheavens" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] korean swordsmith site Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2006 08:44:03 -0500 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Cool site. Thanks for sharing. One correction on Japanese swords, though.  The so-called "blood groove" is actuall a lightening technique and is not common on Japanese swords. Here are a few helpful links on Japanese swords. The article on Niku talks a lot about the profile of Japanese blades. http://home.earthlink.net/~steinrl/niku.htm http://home.earthlink.net/~steinrl/terms/terms.htm http://www.jpsword.com/files/basic/basic.html Hope this helps. Joe Cheavens --__--__-- Message: 10 From: "ISA Headquarters" To: Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2006 09:59:56 -0400 Subject: [The_Dojang] Re:David Sgro in Fayetteville Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I agree with Steve in recommending David Sgro for your student. He is a gentleman and a scholar in my book. Respectfully, George I. Petrotta ISA Director www.sungjado.org/ isahdq@sc.rr.com -- ---------------------------------------- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter for private users. It has removed 5171 spam emails to date. Paying users do not have this message in their emails. Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len --__--__-- Message: 11 From: joconnor@cybermesa.com To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Women In UFC Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2006 09:16:00 -0600 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > Well, perhaps someone can tell me. Why is the women version of sports > > (Rugby, Football, Taekwondo, boxing etc.) always less exciting then the > men's? I've thought about that before and my thought is that it's the same reason that Majors baseball is more exciting than AAA or AA level baseball usually. When you want to see people performing at their best, you want to see the best performing. A lot of times when women play sports that are about physical speed and power, they don't have as much speed and power as the men would, so it's less exciting to watch, if you want to see the ultimate perfomaners and performance. As a contrast, I think gymnastics and ice-skating are *excellent* examples of how to have a sport that involves both men and women but does them slightly differently in a way that plays to the strengths of both sides. Men's gymnastsics and women's gymnastics...they are both doing gymnastaics but with a different set of events; whereas the men are doing the rings with power and control, the women are doing the balance beam, which still requires a lot strengeht but also a lot of balance, finesse, and grace. The best male gymnast could never be as good as even an average female gymnast on the beam or the uneven bars, and the best female gymnast could never be as good as the the avaerage male gymnast on the rings or parallel bars. So when you see a woman doing the beam or the uneven bars, you are not seeing a woman doing a scaled down or substandard version of a sport designed for men, you are seeing the *best* the a human body can do on that event, which is a lot more exciting. Pairs skating is great because you take the best a woman can do and the best a man can do and putting them together in a complimentary way to get the best of both, and in a way that could not be reversed. By contrast, when women compete in sports that were designed to push the male body to the limit, it looks substandard and is thus less exciting because you are pushing the female body to do things that a male body is better at, naturally, and maybe a given women will beat a given man but if you are looking for the ultimate competition and the highest level the human body can achieve, some things a man is just going to be better at. And some things a woman is going to be better at, as gymnastics and figure skating show. As was once said "Ginger Rogers did everything Fred Astaire did, but backwards and in high heels" Take care, Jay --__--__-- Message: 12 From: joconnor@cybermesa.com To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Women In UFC Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2006 09:54:59 -0600 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net All, I hope that did not come across that I think women are substandard athletes or second-class performers to men. My only point was that men and women are physiologically different and taht difference is going to become noticeable when you are pushing the human body to it's ultimate acheivable level; because 'ultimate acheivable'' is going to mean different things. As an analogy, I hope, in the way that an IRL car is different than a top-fuel drag racer. Put an IRL car on a drag strip...not as exciting, because the IRL has design limitations that keep it from performing in that way as well as a dragster. Put the dragster in the Indy 500...and the same result. So when you want to see the best that can be pushed, from a viewing perspective, you want to see the best that can be done. And in some sports which women are now competing at, sports that have been traditional men's sports, it's not as exciting to watch because the women are pushing there bodies to excel in ways that men have a design edge in. And I think that it's great that they are doing it for their own sake and for the sake of their desire to compete and excel, but it's just not as interesting to watch. And as a man who loves the womanly difference and uniqueness of my wife and who has two daughters who I would like to see excel in their own lives, I would love to see more sports that are tailored toward female physioloogy such that the best women would always be better then the best men at it, simply to take the female body and push *it* to it's utlimate limits as we have been doing with men's bodies for so long I think, like gymnastics and skating, as I mentioned, Poomse would be an interesting area to explore how that could be done... Take care, Jay ---------- Original Message ----------- From: joconnor@cybermesa.com To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Sent: Thu, 1 Jun 2006 09:16:00 -0600 Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Women In UFC > > Well, perhaps someone can tell me. Why is the women version of sports > > > > (Rugby, Football, Taekwondo, boxing etc.) always less exciting then the > > men's? > > I've thought about that before and my thought is that it's the same > reason that Majors baseball is more exciting than AAA or AA level > baseball usually. When you want to see people performing at their > best, you want to see the best performing. A lot of times when > women play sports that are about physical speed and power, they > don't have as much speed and power as the men would, so it's less > exciting to watch, if you want to see the ultimate perfomaners and performance. > > As a contrast, I think gymnastics and ice-skating are *excellent* > examples of how to have a sport that involves both men and women but > does them slightly differently in a way that plays to the strengths > of both sides. Men's gymnastsics and women's gymnastics...they are > both doing gymnastaics but with a different set of events; whereas > the men are doing the rings with power and control, the women are > doing the balance beam, which still requires a lot strengeht but > also a lot of balance, finesse, and grace. The best male gymnast > could never be as good as even an average female gymnast on the beam > or the uneven bars, and the best female gymnast could never be as > good as the the avaerage male gymnast on the rings or parallel bars. > So when you see a woman doing the beam or the uneven bars, you are > not seeing a woman doing a scaled down or substandard version of a > sport designed for men, you are seeing the *best* the a human body > can do on that event, which is a lot more exciting. Pairs skating > is great because you take the best a woman can do and the best a man > can do and putting them together in a complimentary way to get the > best of both, and in a way that could not be reversed. > > By contrast, when women compete in sports that were designed to push > the male body to the limit, it looks substandard and is thus less > exciting because you are pushing the female body to do things that a > male body is better at, naturally, and maybe a given women will beat > a given man but if you are looking for the ultimate competition and > the highest level the human body can achieve, some things a man is > just going to be better at. And some things a woman is going to be > better at, as gymnastics and figure skating show. As was once said > "Ginger Rogers did everything Fred Astaire did, but backwards and in > high heels" > > Take care, > Jay > _______________________________________________ > The_Dojang mailing list, 2,100 members > The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource > Standard disclaimers apply > http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang ------- End of Original Message ------- --__--__-- Message: 13 Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2006 10:18:12 -0700 (PDT) From: Samurai Latino To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: Master Sgro Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I too agree. I had the chance to meet Master Sgro a few months ago in a tournament in Tucson. He mentioned that he knew my master from way back. He had some students competing and I must say, WOW! 2 of them took the Grand champion trophy in the Black Belt Div's. I was a great honor and priviledge meeting him. Sincerely, Rafael Amill Choson Martial Arts Club Sierra Vista, AZ 85635 http://www.geocities.com/samurai_latino/Choson_Main_Page.html steven riggs wrote: "He is an excellent instructor and just all around fine person who has some excellent students and assistant instructors who assist in the various programs. --------------------------------- Ring'em or ping'em. Make PC-to-phone calls as low as 1¢/min with Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. --__--__-- Message: 14 Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2006 10:35:57 -0700 From: "Martial Arts Seminars" To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net, the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Velencia seminar Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Fowarding... Ray --- House Of Champions Proudly Presents Felix Valencia Sunday - June 4th, 2006 10:00AM-1:00PM This three hour seminar will emphasize reality based situations and practical Defensive Edged Weapon Techniques. Covered topics include: Unarmed Tactics versus Knife Attacks Ground Fighting and Control Close Range Knife Fighting Techniques Long Range Knife fighting Space is limited! Register early and reserve your place in class! Cost : Only $50.00 in advance, $65.00 at the door. Location: HOUSE OF CHAMPIONS 17228 Saticoy Street, Van Nuys, CA 91406 Register/Info: House Of Champions Phone: (818) 996-7180 or E-mail mparrahoc@sbcglobal.net Wear appropriate workout attire. Groin protector and water are recommended. --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang http://the-dojang.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/the_dojang Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and http://MartialArtsResource.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of The_Dojang Digest