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RE: Scottish Drs. and knives (Rick Clark) 2. Re: RE: Women In UFC (jakskru) --__--__-- Message: 1 Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2006 23:41:01 -0400 From: "Rick Clark" Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] Scottish Drs. and knives To: Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Hi Peter, I don't see how I could be making your point - no pun on knives. Perhaps I am not being very clear, perhaps I don't understand the thread very well. So I'll just blame jet lag and try to be a bit more clear in my thoughts. In Scotland you are more likely to be assaulted than in the US. In the US it is legal to carry firearms with a permit in many locations. So, the criminals do not know if the intended victim has a firearm or not, or if someone standing nearby has a firearm that come to the aid of an individual who is being assaulted. Criminals do not assault individuals whom they KNOW will be able to beat them senseless or blow their brains out with a .45 cal. They go after the weak victims (or at least the perceived weak individuals). A 95 year old in a wheel chair can defeat a 18 year old with just a single finger movement. . . . . In the UK violent crime is increasing and has been doing so for some time now, gun laws in the UK are very restrictive as are the laws on other types of weapons. Police officers in the UK do not carry weapons a general rule, when I was over there I heard of a report where about 1/3 of the police have felt that they were in danger from the public in the past year. A police officer (female) was killed a few weeks ago just outside her home with a knife. People are being killed in the UK with knives, and guns even though it is not legal to carry them. Making it illegal to have such weapons does not stop people killing each other. So why should a government take away the ability of an individual to defend themselves or their family? If the criminal knows in their heart of hearts that the victim can not defend themselves, what is to stop criminals from committing crimes? It reminds me of the old Monty Python skit where the cop was chasing the robber - he yelled "STOP - or I shall yell STOP again". Or do you think that a STOP or I'll blow your brains out just "might" be a bit more effective? >From my point of view if I am facing a guy who wants to hit me, I want a stick to whack them. If they have a stick I want a knife to cut them. If they have a knife I want a gun to shoot them. If they have a gun, I want a bigger gun and a bullet proof vest :-) Rick Clark "Arguments are extremely vulgar, for everyone in good society holds exactly the same opinion." Oscar Wilde www.ao-denkou-kai.org >From: PETER.MCDONALDSMITH@london-fire.gov.uk >In a way you have made my point. However would you be happier >if everyone carried a knife? > >-----Original Message----- >From: Rick Clark [mailto:rick.aodenkou@verizon.net] >Hi Peter, > >>Dear Joe, your right to bare arms. Has that made the USA a safer place to live? > >I am just back from the UK and I noticed a number of stabbing making the news in the UK. Do the restrictive laws on knives, guns, and the like >make you more secure in your person and possessions? > >"Scotland has been named the most violent country in the developed world by a United Nations report. > >The study found that, excluding murder, Scots were almost three times as likely to be assaulted as Americans. > >Victims of crime in 21 countries were interviewed by the UN, but senior Scots police officers criticised the study. > >The survey concluded that 2,000 Scots were attacked every week. That figure is 10 times the number recorded in official >police figures......." http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/4257966.stm > >With some research on the web I am confident you can find statistics that will show that in states (in the US) that >individuals have the right to carry canceled weapons (hand guns) there will be a lower rate of crime than in states with >more restrictive laws. > >I have a permit to carry a canceled handgun, and yes I do feel I am safer with the firearm than without. > > >Rick Clark Rick --__--__-- Message: 2 From: "jakskru" To: Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] RE: Women In UFC Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2006 00:07:29 -0400 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net good response...but my take on why mens sports are more interesting, esp. to men, is our inherant instinctual tendency towards aggressive behavior...men simply are, for the most part, more agressive and this translates onto the field of play... as for honor in the ufc, with a few exceptions, i have generally seen a great deal of sportsmanship....and isnt that honorable? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stovall, Craig" To: Sent: Thursday, June 01, 2006 5:42 PM Subject: [The_Dojang] RE: Women In UFC > <<>> > > > > IMHO, there's honor in it because it's a mutual combat. This is not > assault and battery on a defenseless opponent. Two men enter the cage, > they both understand the rules, and it's assumed they prepare themselves > for the task at hand. I understand that hitting a downed opponent still > rubs some people the wrong way. But, this is an artificial standard. > When I was growing up, kicking someone in a fight was considered > "dirty". Is it? Are all these people who practice TKD practicing > "dirty fighting"? No, because it's an accepted thing now that Asian > martial arts have been on TV for the last three decades. > > > > << (Rugby, Football, Taekwondo, boxing etc.) always less exciting then the > men's?>>> > > > > Speed, power, and aggression. Men have more of it than women (on > average and especially at the elite levels). You could go on-and-on > about skeletal differences that drive favorable leverages, muscle mass > advantages, anabolic properties of higher testosterone levels, bone > density, larger tendons and overall joint structure, mental drive and > aggression driven by different hormone profiles, the effects of gender > roles and societal expectations on training and in-game performance, > etc. But...this stuff is pretty obvious, right? > > > > Not better or worse...just different. > _______________________________________________ > The_Dojang mailing list, 2,100 members > The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource > Standard disclaimers apply > http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang http://the-dojang.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/the_dojang Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and http://MartialArtsResource.com Standard disclaimers apply. 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