Date: Mon, 05 Jun 2006 10:06:31 -0700 From: the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: The_Dojang digest, Vol 13 #251 - 17 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: kma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: The Internet's premier discussion forum on Korean Martial Arts. 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Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The Internet's premier discussion forum devoted to Korean Martial Arts. 2,100 members. See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of The_Dojang at http://MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! Today's Topics: 1. Thank you Master Kirsch (kat_kelly@sbcglobal.net) 2. Scottish Drs and knives (Don Ross) 3. Apology (Don Ross) 4. Women In the UFC (Amcreva Drogovah) 5. Re: Re: Aliens (Ray) 6. video clips: hapkido mania (Jye nigma) 7. Re: Re: Aliens (Joseph Cheavens) 8. RE: Re: Aliens (Kay Ethier at Above and Beyond Learning) 9. Jimmy the Greek strikes again (Stovall, Craig) 10. Re: Women in the UFC (Stovall, Craig) 11. Tim Walker's Signature (Stovall, Craig) 12. Lila (Reply) (Gladewater SooBahkDo) 13. The Master Way (Amcreva Drogovah) 14. Re Scottish doctors and knifes (SlaneSavage) 15. RE: Tim Walker's Signature (Kevin F. Donohue) 16. RE: Hittin' 'em when they're down (Bert Edens) 17. Re: Re: Aliens (Nathan Miller) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: To: Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2006 09:59:38 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] Thank you Master Kirsch Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Thank you Master Kirsch for a great seminar in Houston this weekend. Everyone had a great time and learned allot. Hope you enjoyed getting your hands on some old friends :) Kat --__--__-- Message: 2 From: "Don Ross" To: "dojang_digest" Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2006 11:47:56 -0400 Subject: [The_Dojang] Scottish Drs and knives Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Mr. MacDonald wrote: If say you keep a gun in your bedroom and someone broke into your house. Then what do you do? Those who say that guns don't kill people using the guns kill. Well that logic should apply when some one says that a gun wont protect you but the person using it. Well, Mr. MacDonald, Step 1 = secure family members behind maximum cover, 2. phone 9-11, 3. execute a 'Rhodesian Drill' [ie 2 shots to center of mass, 1 to the head, repeat as needed]. I'm having difficulty following your logic, so I will just say that 1. a weapon [firearm, knife, beer bottle, stick, 'Texas bull-whip' = a ball-bat wrapped with barbed wire ] is inanimate and unable to function offensively OR defensively without human action. 2. Mindset determines one's ultimate ability/willingness to protect self/family/home. 3. Laws prohibiting specific weapons serve to penalize/disarm the law-abiding while empowering the criminals. 4. apparent differences in cultural outlook/morality/etc. exist between the UK and the USA. 5. "... as ye sow, so shall ye reap." Best of luck with your thinking and laws in the UK. pil seung, Don Ross Beginning is easy. Continuing is hard. - Japanese proverb [demime 0.98e removed an attachment of type image/gif which had a name of Emoticon1.gif] --__--__-- Message: 3 From: "Don Ross" To: "dojang_digest" Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2006 11:58:25 -0400 Subject: [The_Dojang] Apology Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Mr. McDonaldSmith, Sir, I apologize for getting your name incorrect. No disrespect intended Sir. pil seung, Don Ross Beginning is easy. Continuing is hard. - Japanese proverb --__--__-- Message: 4 From: "Amcreva Drogovah" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Sun, 04 Jun 2006 19:33:55 -0300 Subject: [The_Dojang] Women In the UFC Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net (Quote) Woman in the UFC I agree woman are equal with men in many areas, However if you are realistic, men are better at some things than woman, and woman are better than men at some things. This is just fact. Yes, there are exceptions. As for the UFC. It stands for Ultimate Fighting Championships. To be Ultimate it must be the best of the best. So to create a Womans UFC would not fit the name. The only way in my opinion to allow woman to fight ( under that name)would be put them in with the men and see what happened. No body would want that including me. So I think woman should bow out of this one. This is not to say women should not compete in ground fighting or Jujitsu, just not cage style full contact. I don't know about the other men here but I like to look at a pretty woman, not one that looks like a man and has both eyes blacked. Now before you all get upset, remember I said woman are better at somethings than men, It is been said that woman can shoot better than men and that they make better pilots, due to there ability to relax and focus. So this is not a bash on woman I just don't think they should be in the octagon. I do think they should learn ground fighting. It is great for rape prevention, and a host of other reasons. Respectfully expecting flack (/quote) Hey, I can agree with the fact that perhaps no one wants to see a woman bleeding and broken on the ground. However, (Here comes the flack) my intention was that I'd rather see two women fighting then what they have on the WWE, the fights bug me. They go something like this. Female #1 - You stole my boyfriend! Female #2 - No, he left you because I"m sexier! Female #1 - Lets deal with this in the ring! Female #2 - Fine! I"ll kick your butt! Female #1 - We can do it in a pool of Jello. Female #2 - With no clothes! Female #1 - Then we can make out with each other! Female #2 - Let's let the whole place watch! Female #1 - Let's get it on! Something about that bugs people (And Myself) more then ground and pound. (Where I get my general statement that I think UFC has little honor. I"ll fix my statement to I think ground and pound has little honor when the intent is the make your competition unresponsive.) Sorry, Sadly boys your talking to a feminist. I think that the UFC for women would be seperate from UFC for men. Perhaps some rules are changed, however, I'm not saying women could take on Matt, I know for a fact that women are different from men. (I do not think Matt would ever agree to that fight anyways.) Maybe my real question is, Do you think that women's fighting is sexualized to an almost an extent where it is now only interesting because of the sex appeal instead of the skill of the women fighters? I personally think I will stay with my point sparring and board breaking. I have grappled men bigger and stonger then me and have submitted them. (It was rather funny as one thought they had it in the bag. I wish I could take a picture. ) And, I enjoy showing my skills over my year of training. I think I"ll leave the UFC for the men... ...for now. Thanks everyone for their opinions! I hope I didn't peeve anyone off! _________________________________________________________________ Have fun with your friends online! Look and sound great doing it. Start with a video from Microsoft http://www.microsoft.com/canada/home/videos/default.asp --__--__-- Message: 5 From: Ray Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Re: Aliens To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Sat, 3 Jun 2006 14:59:49 -0700 (PDT) Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > < combat on another world fighting for the honor of your species>> > > I sure am glad I came here from Bullshido where they talk about silly s**t > all the time. Resistance is futile... Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 6 Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2006 15:08:00 -0700 (PDT) From: Jye nigma To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] video clips: hapkido mania Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net http://www.hapkidoia.com.au/vdo/HIA_Web6.wmv http://www.hapkidoia.com.au/vdo/HIA_SWAT2.wmv http://www.hapkidoia.com.au/vdo/HIA_Web7.wmv http://www.hapkiyoosool.com/video/GMChang_2002.wmv http://www.tmi-selfdefense.com/vids/set3/1.mov http://www.tmi-selfdefense.com/vids/set3/2.mov http://www.ustkd.com/videos/data/cane2.asf __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com --__--__-- Message: 7 From: "Joseph Cheavens" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Re: Aliens Date: Mon, 05 Jun 2006 08:26:18 -0500 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I always thought the Borg looked pretty vulnerable to a low leg sweep. Also, they move so slowly, I think a good back kick would knock the snot out of them. I never understood why they didn't start stocking Federation starships with Klingon bladed weapons just in case of Borg attack, since Warf never seemed to have much trouble slicing and dicing. As for gladitorial combat with aliens, I think a lot would depend on how many limbs they had, or even if their solid. I don't know any empty hand techniques that would be effective against the Blob. Joe Cheavens -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ray Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Re: Aliens Date: Sat, 3 Jun 2006 14:59:49 -0700 (PDT) > < combat on another world fighting for the honor of your species>> > > I sure am glad I came here from Bullshido where they talk about silly s**t > all the time. Resistance is futile... Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list, 2,100 members The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang --__--__-- Message: 8 From: "Kay Ethier at Above and Beyond Learning" To: Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] Re: Aliens Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2006 09:53:44 -0400 Organization: Above and Beyond Language Learning Inc. Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Yeah, Borg are slow. But what about zombies? Some of them are FAST! http://www.kuro5hin.org/story/2005/4/18/153047/155 :-) -----Original Message----- From: Joseph Cheavens I always thought the Borg looked pretty vulnerable to a low leg sweep. Also, they move so slowly, I think a good back kick would knock the snot out of them. I never understood why they didn't start stocking Federation starships with Klingon bladed weapons just in case of Borg attack, since Warf never seemed to have much trouble slicing and dicing. As for gladitorial combat with aliens, I think a lot would depend on how many limbs they had, or even if their solid. I don't know any empty hand techniques that would be effective against the Blob. Joe Cheavens --__--__-- Message: 9 Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2006 09:40:46 -0500 From: "Stovall, Craig" To: Subject: [The_Dojang] Jimmy the Greek strikes again Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net <<>> Not to pick nits, but I remember this like it was yesterday. Jimmy got in trouble because he was caught on camera going on about how American slave masters would supposedly conduct "selective breeding" in order to produce stronger offspring and have a better "slave stock" in the future. According to the followers of this "theory" this carries over to modern day athletics. Obviously, this got "the Greek" in trouble because the "theory" is just plain stupid, has no basis in fact, and dredged up a very sensitive period in American history to bolster a dialogue that most people simply weren't comfortable talking about in the 1980's (race and sports performance). In fairness, the researchers who actually study this topic nowadays look to environmental factors to help explain why different pockets of the gene pool excel at different sporting events at the elite level (sprinting dominated by West African gene pool, middle and long distance running dominated by Ethiopian and Kenyan gene pool, swimming dominated by European gene pool, etc). It's an uncomfortable subject to say the least, but it's one that we'll have to face as the research in this area continues. --__--__-- Message: 10 Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2006 09:44:52 -0500 From: "Stovall, Craig" To: Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: Women in the UFC Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net <<>> It depends. How hot are the women in question? Craig "I luv women" Stovall --__--__-- Message: 11 Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2006 10:10:51 -0500 From: "Stovall, Craig" To: Subject: [The_Dojang] Tim Walker's Signature Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Your sig has been bugging the hell out of me. LOL!!! I have a sneaking suspicion that it's from 'Finnegans Wake'. Am I right? "Fir Na Tine, Fir Na Au Saol" --__--__-- Message: 12 From: "Gladewater SooBahkDo" To: "the_dojang" Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2006 10:25:07 -0700 Subject: [The_Dojang] Lila (Reply) Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Mrs/Ms Lila Please don't take what I said out of text. I just believe woman should not get beat in the face, and bloody. I a point style tournament woman can compete and go to dinner 30 min. later in dress and heels. In a cage fight they go to the doctor for a check up and spend 4 weeks recovering, and letting the swelling go down. My point was I just don't want to see that. JCGet more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com --__--__-- Message: 13 From: "Amcreva Drogovah" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Mon, 05 Jun 2006 13:21:14 -0300 Subject: [The_Dojang] The Master Way Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net To you, what personally is the Master Way? Is the Master Way something you can find outside of yourself? Is it something that you must discover inside after years of training? Perhaps, it is something that is always there, but you just don't identify it right away when you begin your training. What is your definition of The Master Way? The whisper of fabric, tightening of a belt on a crisp, white Dobok. Look at yourself in the eyes, look upon yourself, recite the tenets in your head. Remind yourself, You are ready. Take a deep breath and remember age cannot take the power of your art, form or way of life. What scars in your mind evil and unkind breathe them out and take inside the essence. Age and Time cannot take away your art. Taekwondo Forever ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Have fun with your friends online! Look and sound great doing it. Start with a video from Microsoft --__--__-- Message: 14 Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2006 17:52:06 +0100 (BST) From: SlaneSavage To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Re Scottish doctors and knifes Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net "You state "perceived level of danger" - in my experience in the UK the perception is that the US is a dangerous place and the UK is safer." [Slane] - I personally did not make any comparison of the relative level of threat of violence in the US v UK, but I agree that if you talk to people in the UK a significant portion will have that perception. It is probably based on the simple but perhaps erroneous belief that if US LEOs and US citizens need to routinely carry arms it must be because they face a higher risk of danger. "From the BBC you are more likely to be assaulted in Scotland than in the US - so the perception is not based in reality. The level of violence has increased in the UK from the past even with restrictive laws. I think I would want to know what could be done in the UK to reduce crime levels and the threat of real threat of violence." [Slane] - Agreed, The stats seem to indicate that the level of violence has increased in the UK, and we would like to see this reduced. However I have seen no causal link to suggest that this is due to our restrictive laws on weapons. It is clear that our police officers and their federation do not believe that the solution includes police men and women routinely carrying arms. Nor I suspect do they see any advantage in allowing the general public access to bear concealed arms, probably the opposite?. Best regards Slane Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com --__--__-- Message: 15 Date: Mon, 05 Jun 2006 12:48:52 -0400 From: "Kevin F. Donohue" Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] Tim Walker's Signature To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net "Fir Na Tine, Fir Na Au Saol" translates roughly in Irish as "Man of (the) Fire, Man of Life". Commonly used on Fire and EMS paraphernalia in areas with traditions of Irish Firefighters. You will also see Irish/American Police shirts with the slogan "Fir Na Dli" which translates to Man of Law. I hope this helps. Kevin F. Donohue Chun Do Kwan - New York KHF -----Original Message----- From: Stovall, Craig [mailto:CStovall@nucorar.com] Sent: Monday, June 05, 2006 11:11 AM To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Tim Walker's Signature Your sig has been bugging the hell out of me. LOL!!! I have a sneaking suspicion that it's from 'Finnegans Wake'. Am I right? "Fir Na Tine, Fir Na Au Saol" _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list, 2,100 members The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang --__--__-- Message: 16 From: "Bert Edens" To: Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2006 11:57:35 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] RE: Hittin' 'em when they're down Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Greetings, all... As I am apt to say during self-defense sessions, "All that matters is ending up on the right side of the grass..." :) **bows** - Bert Edens Springdale, Arkansas -----Original Message----- The best time to kick is a person is when they are down. They're less likely to hit back at that point! Robert "fight em as dirty as I can" Martin --__--__-- Message: 17 Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2006 12:45:45 -0500 From: "Nathan Miller" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Re: Aliens Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net The Zombie Survival Guide: Complete Protection from the Living Dead http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1400049628/sr=8-1/qid=1149529417/ref=pd_bbs_1/104-2347795-2870338?%5Fencoding=UTF8 Bought it for my wife, who is deathly afraid of zombies. And now, back to KMA... On 6/5/06, Kay Ethier at Above and Beyond Learning wrote: > Yeah, Borg are slow. But what about zombies? Some of them are FAST! > > http://www.kuro5hin.org/story/2005/4/18/153047/155 > > :-) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Joseph Cheavens > > I always thought the Borg looked pretty vulnerable to a low leg sweep. > > Also, they move so slowly, I think a good back kick would knock the snot out > of them. I never understood why they didn't start stocking Federation > starships with Klingon bladed weapons just in case of Borg attack, since > Warf never seemed to have much trouble slicing and dicing. > > As for gladitorial combat with aliens, I think a lot would depend on how > many limbs they had, or even if their solid. I don't know any empty hand > techniques that would be effective against the Blob. > > Joe Cheavens > _______________________________________________ > The_Dojang mailing list, 2,100 members > The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource > Standard disclaimers apply > http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang http://the-dojang.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/the_dojang Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and http://MartialArtsResource.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of The_Dojang Digest