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Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The Internet's premier discussion forum devoted to Korean Martial Arts. 2,100 members. See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of The_Dojang at http://MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! Today's Topics: 1. re Free Taekwondo Training to Poor Kids (Hapkidoman5@wmconnect.com) 2. Re: (2) [The_Dojang] Knives in UK (Jye nigma) 3. Private Lessons (Chris Callahan) 4. World Taekwondo Festival (The_Dojang) 5. RE: Private Lessons (Rick Clark) 6. Increasing Hapkido Coverage in Black Belt Magazine. (Jason Thomas (Y!)) 7. private lessons (Gordon) 8. RE: Increasing Hapkido Coverage in Black Belt Magazine. (David P. Zapencki) 9. RE: Increasing Hapkido Coverage in Black Belt Magazine. (michael tomlinson) 10. Re: re Free Taekwondo Training to Poor Kids (steven riggs) 11. RE: Increasing Hapkido Coverage in Black Belt Magazine. (michael tomlinson) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: Hapkidoman5@wmconnect.com Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2006 08:06:33 EDT To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] re Free Taekwondo Training to Poor Kids Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I am not typing this to blow my own horn.I have many children in my school that cannot aford the dues , uniforms, or sparring gear.I do not believe that martial arts should only be provided to the middle and upper classes,I eat the cost of the training and I never tell anyone in class who pays and who can't.We all can afford to do this ,but many of us make such claims of superiority (I wont teach for free) all I have to say is if you have never been poor then you dont know what it is like to want something.Um yang,yin yang,or in yo they are all cicles and we will all come full circle one day I hope and pray I will be able to reach out for help and these students will be there to reach back to me. Kurtis --__--__-- Message: 2 Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2006 05:27:15 -0700 (PDT) From: Jye nigma Subject: Re: (2) [The_Dojang] Knives in UK To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net lol...one time I saw a documentary on prison and watched as a man used the elastic of his underwear to make a weapon to shoot projectiles....lol...make when you when an abundance of time to do something (or nothing) you can do interesting things. Jye Jon Payne wrote: Can't have guns or knives in prison/jail. We all know how peaceful that setting is ;^). No one ever gets stabbed with a pen/pencil or shank. Jon Payne _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list, 2,100 members The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com --__--__-- Message: 3 Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2006 09:12:18 -0400 To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net From: Chris Callahan Subject: [The_Dojang] Private Lessons Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I have been operating a dojang for over 5 years, and I am now thinking about offering private lessons. Since I have no experience with this, I thought I would ask few questions for those of you that do offer private lessons. 1. How much do you charge? (I don't know if this helps...I currently charge $70/month for the regular night time classes) 2. How long do the private sessions last? 3. Does your teaching method change when it is one-on-one vs. a group? If so, how? 4. Do you also offer semi-private (small group) lessons? 5. How much do you charge for the semi-private lessons? Please elaborate on any thoughts, ideas, pointers, etc. that you may have. Thank you, Chris Callahan --__--__-- Message: 4 Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2006 06:57:50 -0700 From: The_Dojang To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] World Taekwondo Festival Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net World Taekwondo Festival to Kick Off in Jeonju, Korea 12 Jun 2006 About 2,000 contestants and officials from 50 countries are expected to attend an international taekwondo festival to be held late this month in Korea, organizers said. The 8th World Taekwondo Festival & Korea Classic Open 2006 is scheduled to kick off on June 26, 2006, for a five-day run in Jeonju, North Jeolla Province, according to the World Taekwondo Festival Organizing Committee. The annual festival, which dates back to 1998, features individual and team sparring, or gyeorugi, and forms training, or poomsae, along with techniques for breaking objects, self-defense and taekwondo gymnastics. On June 26, an international seminar on taekwondo is slated to take place, organizers said. "For the first time, we will introduce a free-style team contest in the Taekwondo Muye (Martial Arts) Competition to make the annual event an interesting one," said Mr. Kyung-ho Oh, chairman of the festival's organizing committee. He, who also serves as chairman of Chung Cheong University in Cheongju, North Chungcheong Province, is better known as Oscar Oh. Under the theme "We are One Through Taekwondo," Mr. Oh said the event is mainly aimed at promoting taekwondo as a sport which can be practiced by people of all ages. He said a growing number of Middle East and African countries are expected to participate in the event, compared with a lower-than-expected attendance by European countries. It will mark the second time that the annual taekwondo festival takes place outside Cheongju and its vicinities, after last year's event in Taiwan. "The venue of Jeonju for this year's festival was chosen to help promote the national project of Taekwondo Park in Muju," said Mr. Oh. The inaugural taekwondo festival drew 647 contestants and officials from 20 countries in 1998, compared with 2,013 from 63 countries. In 2005, 714 players and officials from 27 countries attended the 7th World Taekwondo Festival in Taiwan. --__--__-- Message: 5 Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2006 10:04:21 -0400 From: "Rick Clark" Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] Private Lessons To: Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Hi Chris, >From: Chris Callahan [mailto:fate@highstream.net] >I have been operating a dojang for over 5 years, and I am now >thinking about offering private lessons. Since I have no experience >with this, I thought I would ask few questions for those of you that >do offer private lessons. > >1. How much do you charge? (I don't know if this helps...I currently >charge $70/month for the regular night time classes) You would have to charge a rate that would be appropriate for your time, skill, ability. Would you expect a private lesson from a 3rd dan be the same as from one of the top instructor of a style or system. Say you were going to get a private lesson from Pavarotti you would expect to pay more than from a high school music teacher. My son has won numerous Regional and National Championships in Dressage, a couple of years ago our horse was the #1 horse in the International Arabian Horse Show Association and my son was the #1 amateur rider in that same association. We have taken him to clinics where trainers have charged $75 per hour up to $150 per hour of ride time. I know there are trainers who do clinics that charge even more. Now, we would have to transport the horse, ourselves, pay for food, gas and take a whole day. So the cost to us was even more than the low end of $75 per hour. I would guess at times we have spent several hundred dollars for just an hour of private training time with a good trainer when you take everything into account. >2. How long do the private sessions last? Depends on what you are teaching, or they want to be taught. >3. Does your teaching method change when it is one-on-one vs. a >group? If so, how? Sure - it's a one on one situation. >4. Do you also offer semi-private (small group) lessons? >5. How much do you charge for the semi-private lessons? > >Please elaborate on any thoughts, ideas, pointers, etc. that >you may have. Think about this if you schedule a private lesson and they don't show up do you still charge them? What about a semi private lesson, say you charge $50 per person and you schedule 2 people. One does not show up so you end up teaching a private lesson for $50 and your normal rate for a private lesson is $125 and hour. Two things have happened you get $50 for an hours private lesson when you should have been able to generate $125 from an hour. Even if both show up you get $25 less than if you had booked a private lesson. Say you do teach private lessons, how many can you do in a day? Will people be willing to come at the times you can teach the private lessons? Does your school have a way to offer a private class away from others so when you teach a private lesson it is indeed private? Would you teach a private lesson during regular class time? Who would teach the larger group? Would you're your students get upset if you were teaching a private class rather than teaching them? Remember there are only 24 hours in a day. Rick Clark > >Thank you, >Chris Callahan >_______________________________________________ >The_Dojang mailing list, 2,100 members >The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net >Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource >Standard disclaimers apply >http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang --__--__-- Message: 6 From: "Jason Thomas \(Y!\)" To: Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2006 13:59:21 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] Increasing Hapkido Coverage in Black Belt Magazine. Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I don't know if every has seen the recent article on GM West in the Black Belt, but we've been advised that we might be able to incent more Hapkido Coverage by contacting the editor and commenting on the story and Hapkido coverage in general, expressing interest. If you have would like to further this effort, consider sending an e-mail to Robert Young the editor of Black Belt at byoung@aimmedia.com. Below you will find Phil Hornsey's letter as a sample. Thanks, Jason -----Original Message----- From: PHORNSEY [mailto:phornsey@colltech.com] Sent: Monday, June 12, 2006 1:40 PM To: byoung@aimmedia.com Subject: Hapkido Story featuring Master West Editor, I particularly enjoyed the article featuring Master JR West in the latest issue of Black Belt. I train in Hapkido to supplement my Hapkido training and appreciate that Black Belt is giving some additional coverage of this fascinating and effective discipline. Additionally, Master West is a very high quality practitioner of traditional Hapkido who has heretofore received only limited coverage. I would love to see additional stories dealing with Hapkido, and particularly anything featuring Master West. Thanks again for given some space to topic. Best Regards, Philip E. Hornsey Vice President -- Finance & Administration Collective Technologies, LLC. Work: (512) 263-5500 x 267 Cell: (512) 587-0150 phornsey@colltech.com --__--__-- Message: 7 From: "Gordon" To: Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2006 16:47:36 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] private lessons Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net One thing I would add. Don't ever do a one on one mixed sex lesson. In such a physical business, any contact can be deemed improper. - Also, any time spent alone with your opposite sex student can be claimed as sexual harassment. Even with an elaborate camera system, it's hard to prove innocence. Unlike any other facet of our legal system, save maybe suspected child abuse, you are guilty until poor. All we have as instructors is our reputation. Gordon Okerstrom --__--__-- Message: 8 From: "David P. Zapencki" To: Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] Increasing Hapkido Coverage in Black Belt Magazine. Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2006 17:03:35 -0500 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Why would anyone care what they put in blackbelt mag? Do any serious Martial artists read it? None that I know of... Dave Zapencki -----Original Message----- From: Jason Thomas (Y!) [mailto:syne7@yahoo.com] Sent: Monday, June 12, 2006 1:59 PM To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Increasing Hapkido Coverage in Black Belt Magazine. I don't know if every has seen the recent article on GM West in the Black Belt, but we've been advised that we might be able to incent more Hapkido Coverage by contacting the editor and commenting on the story and Hapkido coverage in general, expressing interest. If you have would like to further this effort, consider sending an e-mail to Robert Young the editor of Black Belt at byoung@aimmedia.com. Below you will find Phil Hornsey's letter as a sample. Thanks, Jason -----Original Message----- From: PHORNSEY [mailto:phornsey@colltech.com] Sent: Monday, June 12, 2006 1:40 PM To: byoung@aimmedia.com Subject: Hapkido Story featuring Master West Editor, I particularly enjoyed the article featuring Master JR West in the latest issue of Black Belt. I train in Hapkido to supplement my Hapkido training and appreciate that Black Belt is giving some additional coverage of this fascinating and effective discipline. Additionally, Master West is a very high quality practitioner of traditional Hapkido who has heretofore received only limited coverage. I would love to see additional stories dealing with Hapkido, and particularly anything featuring Master West. Thanks again for given some space to topic. Best Regards, Philip E. Hornsey Vice President -- Finance & Administration Collective Technologies, LLC. Work: (512) 263-5500 x 267 Cell: (512) 587-0150 phornsey@colltech.com _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list, 2,100 members The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang --__--__-- Message: 9 From: "michael tomlinson" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] Increasing Hapkido Coverage in Black Belt Magazine. Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 01:29:21 +0000 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Whew hooo...I didn't know JR. was in Black Belt this month....I'll go buy one tomorrow...great stuff when I see the real pioneers and spoksmen get the coverage they are due...couldn't of picked a better Hapkidoin and Man in my opinion... Michael Tomlinson >From: "Jason Thomas (Y!)" >Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net >To: >Subject: [The_Dojang] Increasing Hapkido Coverage in Black Belt Magazine. >Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2006 13:59:21 -0500 > >I don't know if every has seen the recent article on GM West in the Black >Belt, but we've been advised that we might be able to incent more Hapkido >Coverage by contacting the editor and commenting on the story and Hapkido >coverage in general, expressing interest. > >If you have would like to further this effort, consider sending an e-mail >to >Robert Young the editor of Black Belt at byoung@aimmedia.com. > >Below you will find Phil Hornsey's letter as a sample. > >Thanks, > >Jason > > >-----Original Message----- >From: PHORNSEY [mailto:phornsey@colltech.com] >Sent: Monday, June 12, 2006 1:40 PM >To: byoung@aimmedia.com >Subject: Hapkido Story featuring Master West > >Editor, > > > >I particularly enjoyed the article featuring Master JR West in the >latest issue of Black Belt. I train in Hapkido to supplement my Hapkido >training and appreciate that Black Belt is giving some additional coverage >of this fascinating and effective discipline. Additionally, >Master West is a very high quality practitioner of traditional Hapkido >who has heretofore received only limited coverage. > > > >I would love to see additional stories dealing with Hapkido, and >particularly anything featuring Master West. Thanks again for given some >space to topic. > > > >Best Regards, > > > >Philip E. Hornsey > >Vice President -- Finance & Administration > >Collective Technologies, LLC. > >Work: (512) 263-5500 x 267 > >Cell: (512) 587-0150 > >phornsey@colltech.com >_______________________________________________ >The_Dojang mailing list, 2,100 members >The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net >Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource >Standard disclaimers apply >http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang --__--__-- Message: 10 Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2006 18:44:42 -0700 (PDT) From: steven riggs Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] re Free Taekwondo Training to Poor Kids To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I also try to help by calling the assistance "scholarships". I suggest that the person getting the help contribute to the dojang in other ways such as sweeping the floor, cleaning up etc. Some humility and hard work go a long way. I have found so far that those getting assistance appreciate it and start paying something when their luck turns around or they quit later because they just didn't appreciate what they had. I too know what it is like to have your water turned off to have your power turned off. It is a humbling experience when you are working two jobs and trying to do the best you can. Steve Hapkidoman5@wmconnect.com wrote: I am not typing this to blow my own horn.I have many children in my school that cannot aford the dues , uniforms, or sparring gear.I do not believe that martial arts should only be provided to the middle and upper classes,I eat the cost of the training and I never tell anyone in class who pays and who can't.We all can afford to do this ,but many of us make such claims of superiority (I wont teach for free) all I have to say is if you have never been poor then you dont know what it is like to want something.Um yang,yin yang,or in yo they are all cicles and we will all come full circle one day I hope and pray I will be able to reach out for help and these students will be there to reach back to me. Kurtis _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list, 2,100 members The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com --__--__-- Message: 11 From: "michael tomlinson" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] Increasing Hapkido Coverage in Black Belt Magazine. Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 04:27:38 +0000 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I think it is good that people can affect how the overall public views and understands Hapkido...too many marketing guru's in the mags instead of good old fashioned live what you preach sort of Hapkidoists... I believe having J.R. along with some other good articles on Hapkido couldn't do anything but good for all of us in Hapkido....I browse through several martial arts magazines every month...I rarely buy any of them( I am very cheap) but when I'm in Barnes and Nobles or Borders I always check them out...it is called "information gathering",, it's good for you to be aware of what's out there whether you agree with it or not... Michael Tomlinson >From: "David P. Zapencki" >Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net >To: >Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] Increasing Hapkido Coverage in Black Belt >Magazine. >Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2006 17:03:35 -0500 > >Why would anyone care what they put in blackbelt mag? Do any serious >Martial artists read it? None that I know of... > >Dave Zapencki > >-----Original Message----- >From: Jason Thomas (Y!) [mailto:syne7@yahoo.com] >Sent: Monday, June 12, 2006 1:59 PM >To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net >Subject: [The_Dojang] Increasing Hapkido Coverage in Black Belt Magazine. > >I don't know if every has seen the recent article on GM West in the Black >Belt, but we've been advised that we might be able to incent more Hapkido >Coverage by contacting the editor and commenting on the story and Hapkido >coverage in general, expressing interest. > >If you have would like to further this effort, consider sending an e-mail >to >Robert Young the editor of Black Belt at byoung@aimmedia.com. > >Below you will find Phil Hornsey's letter as a sample. > >Thanks, > >Jason > > >-----Original Message----- >From: PHORNSEY [mailto:phornsey@colltech.com] >Sent: Monday, June 12, 2006 1:40 PM >To: byoung@aimmedia.com >Subject: Hapkido Story featuring Master West > >Editor, > > > >I particularly enjoyed the article featuring Master JR West in the >latest issue of Black Belt. I train in Hapkido to supplement my Hapkido >training and appreciate that Black Belt is giving some additional coverage >of this fascinating and effective discipline. Additionally, >Master West is a very high quality practitioner of traditional Hapkido >who has heretofore received only limited coverage. > > > >I would love to see additional stories dealing with Hapkido, and >particularly anything featuring Master West. Thanks again for given some >space to topic. > > > >Best Regards, > > > >Philip E. Hornsey > >Vice President -- Finance & Administration > >Collective Technologies, LLC. > >Work: (512) 263-5500 x 267 > >Cell: (512) 587-0150 > >phornsey@colltech.com >_______________________________________________ >The_Dojang mailing list, 2,100 members >The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net >Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource >Standard disclaimers apply >http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang >_______________________________________________ >The_Dojang mailing list, 2,100 members >The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net >Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource >Standard disclaimers apply >http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang http://the-dojang.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/the_dojang Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and http://MartialArtsResource.com Standard disclaimers apply. 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