Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2006 02:59:51 -0700 From: the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: The_Dojang digest, Vol 13 #259 - 14 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: kma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: The Internet's premier discussion forum on Korean Martial Arts. List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Help: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on plus11.host4u.net X-Spam-Status: No, hits=2.9 required=5.0 tests=EARN_MONEY,HTML_MESSAGE, MORTGAGE_PITCH,NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-Spam-Level: ** Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: Send The_Dojang mailing list submissions to the_dojang@martialartsresource.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net You can reach the person managing the list at the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of The_Dojang digest..." <<------------------ The_Dojang mailing list ------------------>> Serving the Internet since June 1994. Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The Internet's premier discussion forum devoted to Korean Martial Arts. 2,100 members. See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of The_Dojang at http://MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! Today's Topics: 1. Victorious, sort of. (Joseph Cheavens) 2. (The Dojang) Martial Arts in Schools (Michael Atamian) 3. private lessons (tkdsid@aol.com) 4. Re: Other then joint manipulations (aburrese@aol.com) 5. Cost of business (Thomas Gordon) 6. Re: Private Lessons (Chris & Cindy Callahan) 7. NKMAA seminar (Rudy Timmerman) 8. Bill Goldberg MMA (Thomas Gordon) 9. RE: Increasing Hapkido Coverage in Black Belt Magazine. (Jason Thomas (Y!)) 10. Re: NKMAA seminar (Thomas Gordon) 11. Re: Re: Other then joint manipulations (Jye nigma) 12. training not in sight (Jye nigma) 13. RE: training not in sight (Rick Clark) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: "Joseph Cheavens" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 02:30:05 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] Victorious, sort of. Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Well, I passed my dissertation defense today. I don't think I've ever taken such a beating before in my life. It was a 5 round goring, and if it was the UFC, Big John would have called it in the 3rd. by TKO. I thought for sure it was going to be thumbs down afterwards. My committee savaged me like a pack of lions on a wounded gazel, but despite all that, they desided to pass me. Of course, my final passage is contingent on me making revisions to address the concerns that they raised. I have three weeks. So, while I feel immence relief at having passed my defense, I still feel aprehension over whether or not I'll be able to meet the committee's demands in time.

Joe Cheavens

--__--__-- Message: 2 From: "Michael Atamian" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 08:00:07 -0400 Subject: [The_Dojang] (The Dojang) Martial Arts in Schools Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Shane: In my younger years I taught classes in both public and private schools and saw everything good and everything bad about this area of teaching. Contact me direct and I will try to assist you in what appears to be a research thesis. Fraternally, Michael A. Atamian Doju/Choson Do --__--__-- Message: 3 Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 11:00:38 -0400 From: tkdsid@aol.com To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] private lessons Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net When I do "private lessons", this involves everyone of the same rank. For example, I always hold private lessons for my green belts. It's been my experience that most people drop out at green belt and this helps retention. I never give one on one private lessons because of the liability and also I feel that taekwondo is best taught in a group. Once in a while, I'll get a student that is willing to pay a high fee and then I will offer instruction when there is another adult present. Sincerely, Sid ________________________________________________________________________ Check out AOL.com today. Breaking news, video search, pictures, email and IM. All on demand. Always Free. --__--__-- Message: 4 Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 11:53:37 -0400 From: aburrese@aol.com To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: Other then joint manipulations Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Jye, Here is a short article I wrote that mentions areas covered in Hapkido. You might want to take a look at books such as Dr. Kimm's Hapkido Bible or Hapkido 2 or Mark T's giant Hapkido book to see there is much. much more than just joint manipulations. (Even though they might be the most fun to learn, and they are what most people think of when thinking of Hapkido) http://www.burrese.com/Personal_Security_&_Self_Defense/Articles/Hapkido_ is_a_Complete_Art.htm Yours in Training, Alain www.burrese.com For Your Safety - For Your Success ________________________________________________________________________ Check out AOL.com today. Breaking news, video search, pictures, email and IM. All on demand. Always Free. --__--__-- Message: 5 Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 12:02:29 -0500 (CDT) From: "Thomas Gordon" Subject: [The_Dojang] Cost of business Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I had an email asking about overhead costs and thought I’d share with DD. Seems like I get an emails off list because no one wants to ruffle the feathers of those that elect to teach as a community service. While I appreciate the off list emails and atta boys, I find it irritating that people would have the audacity to make someone trying to make an honest living feel guilty for doing so or viceversa. If you wanna teach for free, great...but don't beat me up because I want to make a decent income. Fact is, there are a lot of great "free" programs in demand such as churchs, KickStart, etc. For those trying to get advice to run profitable schools, some of these people giving advice are struggling themselves and yet continue to give the same stupid business advice to others so they can starve with them OR leave very pertinent details off about how they get away with charging such low rates. Enough of the soap box, onto the details: Say you have 50 students and charge $100 per student per month. That's $5000 per month. Now subtract from that the following: $500 - Utilities $2500 – Rent/Mortgage Payments $600 – Insurance (liability insurance) $400 - Shared equipment, mats, and other overhead items (here, assume the flooring will last 2 years and it costs $5K to replace…okay, make it $4800 for easy math. $4800/24 months = $200 a month you need to save JUST for the flooring. Now, consider everything else that is "shared/common" equipment such as punch bags, etc. In other words, the amortization schedule) $100 – Shared furniture items (lobby & office) – again, the amortization costs. $400 – Marketing/Advertising (News Paper, Yellow Pages, fliers, commercials, etc) $150 - Necessary maintenance, if any $200 – Professional services such as accounting and attorney $100 - Property taxes, if applicable $65 – Phone $10 – Business License $100 – Taxes $100 – Professional memberships (NAPMA, MAIA, etc) $100 – Organizational dues (ITF, KKW, etc, may be a lot higher or nothing at all) $150 – Additional training costs (even if the training is free, the travel/hotel isn’t – an frankly, I know this is way too cheap. Last year, not counting the trip to Korea, we spent about $900 a month with me going alone over half the time) We’re at $5475 and we haven’t paid ourselves yet or hired any employees. In other words, bankruptcy is looking like it may be a part of your future unless you lower your overhead, get more students, or supplement the business (IE, get a job to help pay for your business....make sense?) Assume you want to make $48K a year, that’s another $2K plus the tax burden. So now, if you want to charge $100 a month, you’ll need 75 students. This does not take into consideration for testing fees (if you charge for that), or ProShop sells, or summer slow times, or family discounts. Those teaching out of a community center or YMCA will be able to shed 90% of those costs. When we had a school out of gym, our overhead was roughly $200 a month. We were charging $35 a month. If I wanted to make $48K a year, all we would have needed was to have about 50 students and raise our rates to $45 a month. What I’m trying to point out here is that you can teach out of a YMCA for a lot less. However, I’ve never heard of anyone earning a living teaching out of a YMCA. I’d be surprised if they could even earn an "existence." Supplemental play money, sure. BTW, I understand $125 is the national average so at $100, you’re cheap. But hey, perhaps that’s all your worth. As I told the lady that came to our school saying the "other guy" charges $49 a month, "Surely Master So-N-So knows the value of their services." And yes, she did sign up. A pretty decent article at http://www.fightingarts.com/reading/article.php?id=507 Hope that helps. Thomas Gordon Florida --__--__-- Message: 6 Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 13:08:48 -0400 To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net From: Chris & Cindy Callahan Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: Private Lessons Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Thanks to all that responded to my questions. Very good points...which leaves me with lots to consider. Especially Craigs 3-some observations :-) love the sense of humor. -Chris --__--__-- Message: 7 To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net From: Rudy Timmerman Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 13:18:00 -0400 Subject: [The_Dojang] NKMAA seminar Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Hello all: I am leaving in about ten minutes for Oregon to spend some time with my student Kevin Janisse, and then I will do an open seminar in Portland this weekend. I understand that some of the DD people will be there, and I look forward to seeing you there. Rudy W. Timmerman National Korean Martial Arts Association Inc. --__--__-- Message: 8 Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 17:17:57 -0500 (CDT) From: "Thomas Gordon" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Bill Goldberg MMA Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net While you may not like professional wrestling, this will cause an attraction to the martial art world. http://www.wrestling-news.com/artman/publish/article_2455.shtml LOS ANGELES, CA, June 14, 2006 – The World Fighting Alliance (WFA) – the recently launched mixed martial arts (MMA) organization featuring a “who’s who” lineup of MMA superstars – announced today its signing of pro wrestling superstar and television and film personality Bill Goldberg as its color commentator for the upcoming “WFA: King of the Streets” live pay-per-view broadcast from the Forum in Los Angeles on July 22nd. Goldberg’s connections to the MMA world run deep. The former WCW World Heavyweight Champion has been a martial arts enthusiast throughout his career in wrestling and television, and has trained for most of his adult life in the art of Muay Thai kickboxing. Goldberg also owns and operates Extreme Power, a Muay Thai training facility for children and adults, as well as competitive fighters in Oceanside, CA. Currently, Goldberg is set to star in a remake of the 1980s martial arts film, “Half Past Dead,” which originally featured martial arts expert-turned film star Steven Seagal. Shooting is scheduled to begin in Los Angeles in July. “I’ve been passionate about martial arts my entire life through my own Muy Thai training, my Extreme Power martial arts training facility and now through the myriad of relationships I have with the top fighters in the sport of MMA,” said Goldberg. “When the WFA approached me with this opportunity and I saw the lineup of elite MMA stars fighting for the WFA, I knew this was an opportunity to get more involved in the rapid evolution of this sport. The decision was a no-brainer and I’m thrilled about my affiliation with the WFA.” The WFA also announced a distribution agreement with national satellite television provider Dish Network for “WFA: King of the Streets.” to compliment its existing deal with iN Demand. The event, broadcast live on July 22nd, will be available to Dish Network customers nationwide through a live pay-per-view broadcast, available on Dish Network for $34.95. In addition to the Dish Network, “WFA: King of the Streets” will be available live on pay-per-view for cable customers nationwide via iNDemand (check local cable listings for details). The broadcast will feature a three-man broadcasting team, led by veteran boxing play-by-play commentator Barry Tompkins with Goldberg handling color commentary duties. The WFA is reportedly speaking with several well-known former MMA stars to round out the broadcast team, handling post-fight interviews and analysis in the ring. Details on this final member of the King of the Streets broadcast team will be announced in the weeks to come. “Goldberg is a legend to millions of Americans and his hard-nosed, raw and aggressive persona is the perfect compliment to what the WFA is all about,” said Jeremy Lappen, CEO of the WFA. “He shares our passion for the sport and we feel his signing simply underscores the credibility of our organization and our commitment to providing a superior entertainment experience. Needless to say, we’re thrilled to have him on board as an ambassador for the WFA.” Goldberg became a professional wrestler after a standout college football career at the University of Georgia and professional football stints in the World League and a three-year NFL career with the Atlanta Falcons. Goldberg’s success in wrestling was almost instantaneous capturing the WCW U.S. title and the WCW World title (in a historic battle with Hollywood Hulk Hogan) in less than two years. He is inarguably one of the most beloved and revered personalities in the history of professional wrestling. Goldberg has transitioned into television and film work with roles in feature films including The Longest Yard and Universal Soldier. He currently hosts the History Channel program, AutoManiac, where viewers get the chance to experience first hand, the most exotic and unusual vehicles in the world. --__--__-- Message: 9 From: "Jason Thomas \(Y!\)" To: Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] Increasing Hapkido Coverage in Black Belt Magazine. Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 17:18:33 -0500 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Perhaps we could make it more worth while, by providing positive re-enforcement when write articles about quality people or content such as this one. Just a thought, Jason -----Original Message----- From: David P. Zapencki [mailto:taekwondo@wi.rr.com] Sent: Monday, June 12, 2006 5:04 PM To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] Increasing Hapkido Coverage in Black Belt Magazine. Why would anyone care what they put in blackbelt mag? Do any serious Martial artists read it? None that I know of... Dave Zapencki -----Original Message----- From: Jason Thomas (Y!) [mailto:syne7@yahoo.com] Sent: Monday, June 12, 2006 1:59 PM To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Increasing Hapkido Coverage in Black Belt Magazine. I don't know if every has seen the recent article on GM West in the Black Belt, but we've been advised that we might be able to incent more Hapkido Coverage by contacting the editor and commenting on the story and Hapkido coverage in general, expressing interest. If you have would like to further this effort, consider sending an e-mail to Robert Young the editor of Black Belt at byoung@aimmedia.com. Below you will find Phil Hornsey's letter as a sample. Thanks, Jason --__--__-- Message: 10 Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 17:51:29 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] NKMAA seminar From: "Thomas Gordon" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Grand Master Timmerman, Hope you guys have a great time. We're excited about seeing you in November. If you guys get a chance, don't miss the opportunity to train. Fellow instructors, watch HOW they lead seminars. Not only did I learn useful technical material, I also learned how to be a better instructor. Thomas Gordon Florida --__--__-- Message: 11 Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 16:48:02 -0700 (PDT) From: Jye nigma Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Re: Other then joint manipulations To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net yeah I saw mark T's book which is beautiful and nicely done, and that's what why I asked the question. To what school does mark t belong? Jye aburrese@aol.com wrote: Jye, Here is a short article I wrote that mentions areas covered in Hapkido. You might want to take a look at books such as Dr. Kimm's Hapkido Bible or Hapkido 2 or Mark T's giant Hapkido book to see there is much. much more than just joint manipulations. (Even though they might be the most fun to learn, and they are what most people think of when thinking of Hapkido) http://www.burrese.com/Personal_Security_&_Self_Defense/Articles/Hapkido_ is_a_Complete_Art.htm Yours in Training, Alain www.burrese.com For Your Safety - For Your Success ________________________________________________________________________ Check out AOL.com today. Breaking news, video search, pictures, email and IM. All on demand. Always Free. _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list, 2,100 members The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com --__--__-- Message: 12 Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 16:51:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Jye nigma To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] training not in sight Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I once went to a TKD school which had there class away from being seen. You could hear the people but couldn't see what they were doing. What do you all think of that setup? I found it supicious. Why would I join a martial art school if I can't observe a class? Jye __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com --__--__-- Message: 13 Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 20:56:22 -0400 From: "Rick Clark" Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] training not in sight To: Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Tracey's Kempo did this in all of their schools as far as I know. As I recall, they did a lot of private lessons as well with the students. I don't hear much about the chain of Dojo any more but they were quite popular in the US. Rick Clark "Arguments are extremely vulgar, for everyone in good society holds exactly the same opinion." Oscar Wilde www.ao-denkou-kai.org >From: Jye nigma [mailto:kingjye@yahoo.com] >I once went to a TKD school which had there class away from >being seen. You could hear the people but couldn't see what >they were doing. What do you all think of that setup? I found >it supicious. Why would I join a martial art school if I can't >observe a class? > > Jye --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang http://the-dojang.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/the_dojang Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and http://MartialArtsResource.com Standard disclaimers apply. 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