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Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The Internet's premier discussion forum devoted to Korean Martial Arts. 2,100 members. See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of The_Dojang at http://MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! Today's Topics: 1. RE: School decals (Julie) 2. Caveat emptor (Stovall, Craig) 3. Good student (Stovall, Craig) 4. re: good student (Wes Heaps) 5. RE: Caveat emptor (michael tomlinson) 6. speaking of... (Ray) 7. Academic panel anyone? (Burdick, Dakin Robert) 8. RE: Academic panel anyone? (Kay Ethier at Above and Beyond Learning) 9. RE: speaking of... (michael tomlinson) 10. RE: Re: Master Gordon's Post (Thomas Gordon) 11. RE: Re: Making a martial arts living (Thomas Gordon) 12. RE: Cost of business (Thomas Gordon) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: "Julie" To: Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2006 13:51:40 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] RE: School decals Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net James posted: I am looking at getting a school decal made as an advertisement for my school. Not so much as a bumper sticker but one for car/truck/van windows. I have searched the Internet for sites where you can make your own stickers and order them but all of the ones I have looked at are so expensive! Does anyone out there have any good and reasonable suggestions? I have the design already made up and can send it to anyone who may do this kind of thing on the side or would just like to look at it. Thank you for any suggestions. ***************************************** James - Have you considered having the large magnetic signs made for your vehicles? They are not nearly as expensive as window decals, they are quite visible, they are easily removed when needed, and they do not obstruct your view while driving. :) There are many sites online that offer the service. Additionally, I am not sure how large of a town you live in, but many sign making shops do offer this service as well. They will usually take your artwork and make it into a magnet. Just a thought ... Good luck- Julie H. --__--__-- Message: 2 Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2006 13:59:17 -0500 From: "Stovall, Craig" To: Subject: [The_Dojang] Caveat emptor Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net <<< Caveat emptor. http://www.kmaia.org/ Be careful out there. Fakes and frauds abound in the martial arts world...>>> Good lord. Them again? Maybe this will scare Bruce Simms out of his hiding hole. --__--__-- Message: 3 Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2006 14:24:32 -0500 From: "Stovall, Craig" To: Subject: [The_Dojang] Good student Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net <<< I know this is an opinion based question ,and I expect different answers and different views.What I want to know is what you good people believe a good student is, what are some characteristics of a good student. Kurtis>>> 1. Comes in with goals and needs that are congruent with the program that I'm teaching. This is a fancy way of saying that they could be a good student SOMEWHERE but maybe not HERE. If I'm trying to teach Tai Chi for health, and they're looking to be the next UFC champion then that's not going to be a good match. 2. Basic character...honesty...humility. 3. Sociable. Plays well with others. Realizes that it's "not all about them". We know it's all about Craig, right? Basically, knows that we all have to benefit from the training, and this sometimes means sacrificing one's own ego in order to stoop down and help the person below you. 4. Not afraid of "work". Has a positive attitude. Not afraid to push one's capabilities and try new things. A general willingness sometimes to just "shut up and do it". 5. General fitness and conditioning. If they don't come in with it then they are willing to attain it. 6. Athleticism. This is a plus, but not mandatory. Sometimes the best students are the one's who aren't athletic and have to compensate through hard work. 7. Persistence and determination. These are the "omnipotent" human qualities mentioned in the famous Calvin Coolidge quote. 8. No baggage...emotional, mental, financial, spiritual, whatever. Let me clarify. One of my "pride and joys" is a 7-year-old little boy with Down Syndrome. Trust me, I wouldn't change that kid for the world, but to say he taxes my patience at times would be an understatement (thank you for the character development, Lord). Having said that, I prefer sharing my precious training time with "normal folk" (Ward and June Cleaver types) as opposed to structuring time and playing impromptu social worker for reprobates, borderline criminals, 40-year-old juveniles, and lonely women. I know that sounds harsh, but if you don't have a disability then I'm at a loss as to how soap, water, gainful employment, and healthy relationships has alluded you. I'm a misanthrope folks...sue me. That's a long list and about 5% of the population will fit that bill completely. By the way, I do not. But hey...you gotta have standards!!! Craig "Good Students are not as rare as Good Teachers" Stovall --__--__-- Message: 4 Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2006 14:04:20 -0700 (PDT) From: Wes Heaps To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] re: good student Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net One who never gives up !!!!!!!!!!! __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com --__--__-- Message: 5 From: "michael tomlinson" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] Caveat emptor Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2006 21:29:58 +0000 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Man how many times can you ride a donkey to the same watering hole??? They have 15 photographs, 10 websites, 18 organizations....and the same jackass running everything...whatever happened to getting a real job and making an honest living??? What a JOKE... Michael Tomlinson >From: "Stovall, Craig" >Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net >To: >Subject: [The_Dojang] Caveat emptor >Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2006 13:59:17 -0500 > ><<< Caveat emptor. > > > >http://www.kmaia.org/ > > > >Be careful out there. Fakes and frauds abound in the martial arts >world...>>> > > > >Good lord. Them again? Maybe this will scare Bruce Simms out of his >hiding hole. >_______________________________________________ >The_Dojang mailing list, 2,100 members >The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net >Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource >Standard disclaimers apply >http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang --__--__-- Message: 6 From: Ray To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net (The_Dojang) Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2006 15:10:33 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [The_Dojang] speaking of... Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Speaking of the chubby grandmaster wannabe from down Florida way, read what he says about Gm Ji and Hal Whalen in his so-called "History of Hapkido". I'd say this pretty much indicates that he not only knows nothing about Hapkido's history, but he doesn't even recognize good Hapkido when he sees it. Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 7 Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2006 20:07:59 -0400 From: "Burdick, Dakin Robert" To: Subject: [The_Dojang] Academic panel anyone? Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Hi Folks, I've been asked to put together a proposal for a paper session at the Association for Asian Studies meeting at Weber State University in Ogden Utah on September 28-30. I see that there is also a Midwest Conference on Asian Affairs at the University of Wisconsin at Madison on October 20-22. If you are interested in presenting an academic paper on the Asian martial arts at either of these conferences, please contact me at dakinburdick@yahoo.com as soon as possible. I have done this several times with these folks, as part of the Central States Anthropological Association, and it is always fun. Take care, Dakin Burdick IUPUI dakinburdick@yahoo.com [demime 0.98e removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef which had a name of winmail.dat] --__--__-- Message: 8 From: "Kay Ethier at Above and Beyond Learning" To: Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] Academic panel anyone? Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2006 20:40:27 -0400 Organization: Above and Beyond Language Learning Inc. Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Is there a web address for their events? -----Original Message----- From: Burdick, Dakin Robert Hi Folks, I've been asked to put together a proposal for a paper session at the Association for Asian Studies meeting at Weber State University in Ogden Utah on September 28-30. I see that there is also a Midwest Conference on Asian Affairs at the University of Wisconsin at Madison on October 20-22. If you are interested in presenting an academic paper on the Asian martial arts at either of these conferences, please contact me at dakinburdick@yahoo.com as soon as possible. I have done this several times with these folks, as part of the Central States Anthropological Association, and it is always fun. Take care, Dakin Burdick IUPUI dakinburdick@yahoo.com --__--__-- Message: 9 From: "michael tomlinson" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] speaking of... Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2006 02:57:19 +0000 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Has anyone in this world ever seen big boy take a fall?? Other than the one he took when everyone started asking for their money back for his questionable "certification", he fell right out of sight on that one... Michael Tomlinson >From: Ray >Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net >To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net (The_Dojang) >Subject: [The_Dojang] speaking of... >Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2006 15:10:33 -0700 (PDT) > >Speaking of the chubby grandmaster wannabe from down Florida way, read what >he says about Gm Ji and Hal Whalen in his so-called "History of Hapkido". > >I'd say this pretty much indicates that he not only knows nothing about >Hapkido's history, but he doesn't even recognize good Hapkido when he >sees it. > >Ray Terry >rterry@idiom.com >_______________________________________________ >The_Dojang mailing list, 2,100 members >The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net >Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource >Standard disclaimers apply >http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang --__--__-- Message: 10 From: "Thomas Gordon" To: Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] Re: Master Gordon's Post Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2006 23:00:46 -0500 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Master Dewitt, Bottom line, we should charge what we're worth, deliver more than we charge (baker's dozen), and follow-up with the customer to make sure that we're doing just that. Something else to consider, pick out your ideal vehicle. Now, if that's what you want to drive, that's what you gotta fill your parking lot up with. There are exceptions to the rule such as Wal-Mart but generally it's a pretty solid rule of thumb. You don't see many BMW's parked in front of the city park rec program. Thanks for the reply Sir. Thomas Gordon Florida --__--__-- Message: 11 From: "Thomas Gordon" To: Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] Re: Making a martial arts living Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2006 23:01:23 -0500 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Mr. Rubinfield, "Maybe its just me....but by and large, martial arts is a terrible way to make a decent living. In NYC you need about $100,000 per year for a family of four to live in minimal comfort." The numbers are for my area which I'd imagine is similar to most middle America. If you need $100K to live in NYC, and rent is much higher (along with other expenses), then you'll need to charge $179 assuming you can get 130 students and keep your overhead at $15K a month. And the same for an area where you can get a 2400 square foot building for $800 a month and live comfortably for $36K a year. They could get away charging a lot less and having the same basic lifestyle. "Some do it for less, but I don't want to live over a store." LOL! I hear ya! "I would estimate that about 80% of those starting martial arts businesses fold within 2 years." I agree. Probably about 90-95% the first five years. "Probably, opening a dance studio with martial arts as an adjunct may work. But you will always need an adjucn t income to make it happen." Well, I'm not sure if that's 100% accurate and I also don't see anything wrong with it. Instead of ME offering dance, gymnastics, or cheering, we'd just sublease space to another person/company on our off times. That's just good business. So far we haven't done that and don't really intend to because I really don't want to mess with it. A school that was profiled a while back (and an obvious exception to ALL rules): White Tiger Taekwondo of Cary, NC with primarily location at 24,000 square feet (own) 2000+ Active Students at the main location after 9 years in business 70% do TaeKwonDo, 20% do Hapkido, & 10% for everything else $99-139 a month first person (offer family discounts) Charge $35 and up for testings Taekwondo is single most profitable program with larger classes and lower overhead Spend $1000 a month on yellow pages. Other advertising is primarily demonstrations, birthday parties, and referrals Thomas Gordon Florida --__--__-- Message: 12 From: "Thomas Gordon" To: Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] Cost of business Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2006 23:04:54 -0500 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Mr. Stovall, I do appreciate your posts. Always keep things light, the world needs more of that. :) Loved the example - thanks for sharing. Here's an interesting story. This guy was telling me how his limo service was going out of business. He'd lowered his prices, put a sign on the back listing prices, allowed smoking, etc. I was floored. I told him to stop people from smoking in the limo, clean it up real nice (and keep it that way), get rid of the tacky sign, wear a tux, and raise his prices. How much? I don't remember now but I think I suggested about 10% more than the highest guy in the area. It worked for him. Thomas Gordon Florida --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang http://the-dojang.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/the_dojang Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and http://MartialArtsResource.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. 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