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Master Dan regarding good students (Dan Scholten) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: "Michael Atamian" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2006 08:16:06 -0400 Subject: [The_Dojang] Hapkido Covewrage in Black Belt Magazine Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Has anyone ever heard of a magazine called Traditional Tae Kwon Do? It came out back in the late 70s and lasted only a few short years. They tried to provide accurate and legitimate martial arts coverage and would not back down from their advertisers who tried to rule their editing process. This resulted in their going bankrupt. When the late Sang Kyu Shim was Editor In Chief of TaeKwonDoTimes Magazine the coverage was even and fair. Can anyone honestly say that there currently exists a legitimate martial arts publication that promotes the true nature of the martial arts? Please share this if such a publication is in existence. Fraternally, Michael A. Atamian Doju/Choson Do --__--__-- Message: 2 From: "Don Ross" To: "dojang_digest" Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2006 09:35:27 -0400 Subject: [The_Dojang] Good Student Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net My teacher always told us, " There's no such thing as a bad student, only bad instructors." FWIW pil seung, Don Ross Martial art study will reveal someone's personality in more detail than any of us want to see, or know about. - Deborah Klens-Bigman, PhD., and Iaido instructor --__--__-- Message: 3 From: "Steven Berkowitz" To: Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Hapkido Covewrage in Black Belt Magazine Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2006 08:39:34 -0700 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net are you speaking of the current spate of ADmags that call themselves karateish names?????? BB, Budo, IKF, etc? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Atamian" To: Sent: Saturday, June 17, 2006 5:16 AM Subject: [The_Dojang] Hapkido Covewrage in Black Belt Magazine > Has anyone ever heard of a magazine called Traditional Tae Kwon Do? It came out back in the late 70s and lasted only a few short years. They tried to provide accurate and legitimate martial arts coverage and would not back down from their advertisers who tried to rule their editing process. This resulted in their going bankrupt. When the late Sang Kyu Shim was Editor In Chief of TaeKwonDoTimes Magazine the coverage was even and fair. Can anyone honestly say that there currently exists a legitimate martial arts publication that promotes the true nature of the martial arts? Please share this if such a publication is in existence. > Fraternally, > > Michael A. Atamian > Doju/Choson Do > _______________________________________________ > The_Dojang mailing list, 2,100 members > The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource > Standard disclaimers apply > http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.0/368 - Release Date: 6/16/2006 --__--__-- Message: 4 Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2006 11:42:29 -0400 From: "Kevin F. Donohue" Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] Hapkido Covewrage in Black Belt Magazine To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Michael, I agree with your assessment pertaining to the current state of Martial Arts publications. What amazes me is that for less than $10,000.00 annually (including a general liability and errors and omissions policy's), a web-zine could be produced that would be far cheaper to produce than printed magazines and less dependent of advertisements. Figure on a monthly site fee of $2.00, and you would need a membership of 5,000 to break even. Figure that you could have reputable advertising from uniform manufacturers, mat manufacturers etc... and could do $4,000 to $6,000.00 in additional income each month and also charge a fee for a listing in a school directory (say $100.00 annually for each school, say 250 listings) and it looks like someone could have a nice side business. Martialinfo.com claims to have over 100,000 subscribers ... I figure that if it is done well and with some integrity, 15,000 KMA subscribers would not be out of the question. Figure a larger circulation could drag your advertising up to over $12,000 a month. Looks like a pretty good business model. Any body with some web skill, some free time and most of all integrity want to run with this? Kevin F. Donohue KHF- New York -----Original Message----- From: Michael Atamian [mailto:maakaa@earthlink.net] Sent: Saturday, June 17, 2006 8:16 AM To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Hapkido Covewrage in Black Belt Magazine Has anyone ever heard of a magazine called Traditional Tae Kwon Do? It came out back in the late 70s and lasted only a few short years. They tried to provide accurate and legitimate martial arts coverage and would not back down from their advertisers who tried to rule their editing process. This resulted in their going bankrupt. When the late Sang Kyu Shim was Editor In Chief of TaeKwonDoTimes Magazine the coverage was even and fair. Can anyone honestly say that there currently exists a legitimate martial arts publication that promotes the true nature of the martial arts? Please share this if such a publication is in existence. Fraternally, Michael A. Atamian Doju/Choson Do _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list, 2,100 members The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang --__--__-- Message: 5 From: "imakikr" To: Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Good Student Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2006 10:41:19 -0700 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I understand what you are saying, but disagree. That is like saying every kid who made poor choices had lousey parents. Freedom to choose is one of those god-given gifts upon which we build our character over a sum of choices. Some kids, regardless of how great, caring and disciplining their parents are, will turn out to be bad, mean people. Likewise, some students regardless of how great the instructor is, will choose to misuse what they are taught and be a blight on our arts and humanity. Yes there are students that should be booted out and not given any more knowlege that will enable them to hurt or bully people. Sean Kay ----- Original Message ----- From: "Don Ross" To: "dojang_digest" Sent: Saturday, June 17, 2006 6:35 AM Subject: [The_Dojang] Good Student > My teacher always told us, " There's no such thing as a bad student, only > bad > instructors." FWIW > pil seung, > Don Ross > Martial art study will reveal someone's personality in more detail than > any of > us want to see, or know about. > - Deborah Klens-Bigman, PhD., and Iaido instructor > _______________________________________________ > The_Dojang mailing list, 2,100 members > The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource > Standard disclaimers apply > http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang --__--__-- Message: 6 Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2006 16:47:25 -0700 From: The_Dojang To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] WTF-Kyung Hee University Partnership Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net WTF-Kyung Hee University Partnership Taekwondo Training Program Ref. No. 06/352 June 8, 2006 To:Presidents of Member National Associations of the WTF Re: WTF-Kyung Hee University Partnership Taekwondo Training Program - two courses in the second half of 2006 Dear Sir/Madam: The WTF has been conducting the WTF-University Partnership Taekwondo Training Program in cooperation with universities in Korea that have Taekwondo Departments. The program is the first of its kind in the history of the WTF, and is part of the WTF Taekwondo Solidarity Program to help our Member National Associations promote and develop Taekwondo, as well as foster Taekwondo hopefuls in their countries. Two courses have been held in cooperation with Kyung Hee University in the first half of 2006.Another two courses will be held in the second half of 2006, a short-term course for athletes and a long-term course for coaches.For the second half of 2006, the WTF and Kyung Hee University has decided to hold the course as explained in the attached outline. For this purpose, Member National Associations are requested to recommend Taekwondo hopefuls in their countries, in accordance with the conditions set forth in this letter.Application will be accepted on a first-come first-served basis. Sincerely yours, Dong-Hoo Moon Secretary General --__--__-- Message: 7 Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2006 16:45:39 -0700 From: The_Dojang To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] WTF Unveils New Referee Uniforms [anything will be better than the yellow!] Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net WTF Unveils New Referee Uniforms for Gyeorugi, Poomsae Competitions The World Taekwondo Federation has unveiled new referee uniforms for gyeorugi and poomsae competitions. The Executive Council of the WTF is scheduled to decide on the new uniforms for official approval on July 24, 2006 in Ho Chi Minh City, Vietnam, on the occasion of the 6th WTF World Junior Taekwondo Championships. It would mark the first change to the design of referee uniforms for gyeorugi competitions since the establishment of the WTF in 1973. Pending the Executive Council's approval, the new referee uniforms for gyeorugi competitions will be used as early as at the 1st WTF World Cup Team Teakwondo Championships scheduled for Sept. 14-17 in Bangkok, Thailand. The newly designed costumes for international poomsae referees will be used for the first time at the 1st WTF World Poomsae Taekwondo Championships in Seoul on Sept. 4-6, 2006. International referees of the WTF have long called for the change to the WTF's decades-old yellow uniforms. The referee uniform for gyeorugi competitions is composed of a jacket and a shirt of both sky-blue color, a matching blue tie and trousers of deep navy blue, while the uniform for poomsae competitions consists of a deep-navy-blue jacket, an ivory shirt, a purple tie and gray trousers. Able Fashion, a Korean company in downtown Seoul, produced the new uniforms. The WTF's ad-hoc committee on referee uniforms made a final approval of the new designs of referee uniforms on June 7, 2006, at their meeting at the headquarters of the WTF. Among the members were Mr. Eui-min Ko, chairman of the WTF Technical Committee; Mr. Hong-ki Kim, chairman of the WTF Refereeing Committee; and Mr. Manuel Colmenero Firvida, member of the Refereeing Committee. For further information on the uniform manufacturer, you can contact Mrs. Sun-mi Lim of Able Fashion at 82-(0)16-703-2071 or soojung617@hanmail.net. The company's fax number is 82-2-771-3696. --__--__-- Message: 8 Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2006 18:58:03 -0700 (PDT) From: steven riggs Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Hapkido Covewrage in Black Belt Magazine To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net You probably won't get any takers. The general field of martial arts publications is dismal at best. I personally think the Korean arts are the worst. Black Belt magazine at least has the occasional good author who writes a good well researched article that is timely and informative. I came across a publication geared toward traditional Japanese arts some years ago but I don't recall the name. I only read it one time but I thought that it had some good articles in it but as I said I don't recall the name and most of the articles were based on Shotokan, Shito-ryu, Wado etc. Steven Michael Atamian wrote: Has anyone ever heard of a magazine called Traditional Tae Kwon Do? It came out back in the late 70s and lasted only a few short years. They tried to provide accurate and legitimate martial arts coverage and would not back down from their advertisers who tried to rule their editing process. This resulted in their going bankrupt. When the late Sang Kyu Shim was Editor In Chief of TaeKwonDoTimes Magazine the coverage was even and fair. Can anyone honestly say that there currently exists a legitimate martial arts publication that promotes the true nature of the martial arts? Please share this if such a publication is in existence. Fraternally, Michael A. Atamian Doju/Choson Do _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list, 2,100 members The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com --__--__-- Message: 9 From: "Steven Berkowitz" To: Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Hapkido Covewrage in Black Belt Magazine Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2006 19:14:32 -0700 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I sure looked hard at it this am, and already have a list of names of Korean arts folks that would back a good plan with ads and $ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin F. Donohue" To: Sent: Saturday, June 17, 2006 8:42 AM Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] Hapkido Covewrage in Black Belt Magazine > Michael, > > I agree with your assessment pertaining to the current state of Martial Arts > publications. What amazes me is that for less than $10,000.00 annually > (including a general liability and errors and omissions policy's), a > web-zine could be produced that would be far cheaper to produce than printed > magazines and less dependent of advertisements. > > Figure on a monthly site fee of $2.00, and you would need a membership of > 5,000 to break even. Figure that you could have reputable advertising from > uniform manufacturers, mat manufacturers etc... and could do $4,000 to > $6,000.00 in additional income each month and also charge a fee for a > listing in a school directory (say $100.00 annually for each school, say 250 > listings) and it looks like someone could have a nice side business. > > Martialinfo.com claims to have over 100,000 subscribers ... I figure that if > it is done well and with some integrity, 15,000 KMA subscribers would not be > out of the question. Figure a larger circulation could drag your > advertising up to over $12,000 a month. Looks like a pretty good business > model. > > Any body with some web skill, some free time and most of all integrity want > to run with this? > > Kevin F. Donohue > KHF- New York > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Michael Atamian [mailto:maakaa@earthlink.net] > Sent: Saturday, June 17, 2006 8:16 AM > To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > Subject: [The_Dojang] Hapkido Covewrage in Black Belt Magazine > > Has anyone ever heard of a magazine called Traditional Tae Kwon Do? It came > out back in the late 70s and lasted only a few short years. They tried to > provide accurate and legitimate martial arts coverage and would not back > down from their advertisers who tried to rule their editing process. This > resulted in their going bankrupt. When the late Sang Kyu Shim was Editor In > Chief of TaeKwonDoTimes Magazine the coverage was even and fair. Can anyone > honestly say that there currently exists a legitimate martial arts > publication that promotes the true nature of the martial arts? Please share > this if such a publication is in existence. > Fraternally, > > Michael A. Atamian > Doju/Choson Do > _______________________________________________ > The_Dojang mailing list, 2,100 members > The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard > disclaimers apply http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang > _______________________________________________ > The_Dojang mailing list, 2,100 members > The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource > Standard disclaimers apply > http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.0/368 - Release Date: 6/16/2006 --__--__-- Message: 10 Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2006 18:58:07 -0800 From: Dan Scholten To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Master Dan regarding good students Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net It seems the hardest part that to get through people in general and what separates those who you know are going to be good and long term students are the ones who learn and understand the following. Class time is for conditioning and learning not practice, to many students think is the job or wait to have the black belt or master practice with them over and over again. There responsibility is to practice hard alone on what they have been given and when they are with the instructor again prove they are ready to learn more not make the same mistakes over and over and not progress. People don't under stand that they must do the work, the teacher is there to open the door when they are ready. The instructor should be helping them improve and correct not hold there hand and do the work out for them. I was just recently at a black belt test for seven black belts and was on the panel with my GM and I invited my two green belts and their Grand Parents to watch, I didn't know this was an off time year testing for 1st Dan only but it was the worst test I have ever witnessed in 40 years. My two green belts were so much better that the one good thing is that it took the pressure off them thinking about tournament the next day. These people were given black belts with out even being able to perform basic self defense at white belt level. It was embarrassing to watch I wanted to beat the master who had taught them but out of respect and not my back yard so to speak I said little. My students Grand Parents came to me and said you must be very proud of your teaching ability and I said no that's not the issue I feel bad for the Art and I have always been outspoken against the Westernization or business of MA TKD since coming to America but it is not all bad at least they are not robbing 7-11 or getting pregnant at 14??? I myself personally will not pass anyone with out all the standard traditional values of the Art and Kwan but were we live giving a black belt out with out being able to defend your self could be life threatening, there is no law here in many areas at least by plane days later a black belt is like wearing a sign kick me, shoot me knife me rape me beat me. To much self defense is like dancing with a partner I believe in all styles all techniques that work in street or combat situations. If your not training with someone who is battle tested or trained by those who are battle tested then you just belong to a nice club of people but your going to die when the sh-hits the fan!!!!!!!!!!!!!! --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang http://the-dojang.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/the_dojang Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and http://MartialArtsResource.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of The_Dojang Digest