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Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The Internet's premier discussion forum devoted to Korean Martial Arts. 2,100 members. See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of The_Dojang at http://MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! Today's Topics: 1. Traditional TKD Magazine (JR West) 2. Good student (Michael Atamian) 3. World University Taekwondo Chip (The_Dojang) 4. Re: Good student (Lila Ralston) 5. What's Missing From Martial Arts Magazines (Lila Ralston) 6. RE: Re: Master Gordon's Post (Jason Thomas (Y!)) 7. GM West in Austin July 22 (Jason Thomas (Y!)) 8. Re: What's Missing From Martial Arts Magazines (Jye nigma) 9. Re: Re: Good student (Jye nigma) 10. Re: Master Dan regarding good students (Jye nigma) 11. RE: Hapkido Covewrage in Black Belt Magazine (Jye nigma) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: "JR West" To: Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2006 08:06:10 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] Traditional TKD Magazine Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net " Has anyone ever heard of a magazine called Traditional Tae Kwon Do?" Traditional TKD first came out in about 1973 and had a good quarterly run of about 4 years. It was one of the best MA magazines I have ever seen and I still have all the issues to this day. Occasionally one will pop up on ebay, but it always seems to be an issue from the magazine's 2nd incarnation from 1981 - 1983 when it became as bad as the rest of them.....J. R. West www.hapkido.com --__--__-- Message: 2 From: "Michael Atamian" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2006 09:57:59 -0400 Subject: [The_Dojang] Good student Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net If I were a drinking man I would drink to the comment that Don Ross made! I also applaud what Dr. Deborah Klens-Bigman said. We sure need more instructors out there who "get the message" Fraternally, Michael A. Atamian Doju/Choson Do --__--__-- Message: 3 Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2006 07:02:40 -0700 From: The_Dojang To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] World University Taekwondo Chip Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net World University Taekwondo Championship: Always a Success The following is a press release by the International University Sports Federation (FISU) on the 2006 World University Taekwondo Championship held in Valencia, Spain, on May 16-20, 2006 -- Ed. BRUSSELS, Belgium --- "This is an excellent meet; it provides an opportunity to see how we stand in comparison to the competition, which is getting tougher and tougher – we are really very happy to be here." Taekwondo is a martial art that attracts a growing number of students and adds a lot to the success of the FISU World University Championship. At FISU, taekwondo is very popular. The 2006 edition of this WUC proved it again when 40 countries, a new record, were accredited for a total of 217 athletes (123 men and 94 women). This was not really a surprise, when we observe that Taekwondo has never stopped growing since the first FISU competition that took place in 1986 in Berkeley, USA, proving its popularity as a University sport. For this ninth addition, the city, and more particularly the University, of Valencia have done everything to provide participants with the best possible infrastructures for the tournament. Here we must also mention the excellent organization of this World University Championship. The Organizing Committee has shown unequalled professionalism, among other things proposing a very large number of cultural activities participants. In Patras (GRE), in 2004, Korea went home with a handsome collection of medals as usual: five in gold, four in silver and five in bronze. The result is exceptional, but it should not cloud the fact that other countries are also beginning to make a breakthrough. The trend was confirmed in Valencia, which marked the end of total domination by the Korean team, in any case for the men. The Men's Tournament Two other countries, Iran and Thailand, were also sensational in Spain. Iran pocketed three titles as well as three silver medals and one in bronze, while Thailand won two gold medals. Korea of course, was still very present – with two gold medals, two in silver and three in bronze, it was hardly on the sidelines, but the days when the Koreans systematically won every title seem to be over. The number of nations on the various podiums is getting larger as well, and this is a very good thing. In any case it shows that the sport has attracted a growing number of enthusiasts and that the policies for developing taekwondo in certain countries are beginning to be effective. The Women's Tournament For the ladies, the story was quite different. The Korean tradition still weighed heavily on participants from other countries. The Korean team collected five gold medals out of eight (as well as one in silver and one in bronze), broadly dominating the field. Worth mentioning too are good performances of the teams from Brazil and Spain. On the whole, this tournament drew very high-level contestants, often on the point of being selected for the next Olympic Games (in Beijing in 2008). As Carlos Negrao, coach of the Brazilian team put it: "This is an excellent meet, with athletes from all over the world. … It provides an opportunity to see how we stand in comparison to the competition, which is getting tougher and tougher – we are really very happy to be here – and, in addition, the organization is really first-class…" The next World University Taekwondo Championship will take place in Belgrade in 2008. For further information on the 2006 WUC Taekwondo, consult http://www.fisu.net/site/page_457.php --__--__-- Message: 4 From: "Lila Ralston" To: Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2006 10:52:43 -0400 Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: Good student Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Don Ross wrote: "My teacher always told us, 'There's no such thing as a bad student, only bad instructors.' FWIW" Sean Kay replied: "I understand what you are saying, but disagree. That is like saying every kid who made poor choices had lousey parents. Freedom to choose is one of those god-given gifts upon which we build our character over a sum of choices. Some kids, regardless of how great, caring and disciplining their parents are, will turn out to be bad, mean people. Likewise, some students regardless of how great the instructor is, will choose to misuse what they are taught and be a blight on our arts and humanity. Yes there are students that should be booted out and not given any more knowlege that will enable them to hurt or bully people." I agree that there are bad students, but also think it's sound practice for a teacher to look for flaws in himself/herself first, before jumping to place blame on the student. The one thing an instructor knows going in is that he/she knows more about being an instructor than X student knows about being a student. Presumably the instructor has at least some chance of correcting whatever is wrong with the student--at least, enough of a chance to make it worth a try before applying the boot. (I am not a martial arts instructor, though I do have some teaching experience in other fields. I am also a parent, part of the challenge of which is that you CAN'T just give your kids the boot when you find them frustrating to teach.) --Lila Ralston, Live Oak Martial Arts --__--__-- Message: 5 From: "Lila Ralston" To: Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2006 11:04:22 -0400 Subject: [The_Dojang] What's Missing From Martial Arts Magazines Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Going out on a limb here as I have no publishing credentials (though 20+ years of occasional freelance writing): Perhaps what's missing from the world of martial arts publications is a single concept: peer review. Magazines that publish scientific research (like the Journal of the American Medical Association, or Nature) have a thorough screening process whereby every article is read by a team of people with credentials in the field; they can ask the authors for clarification or revision, and recommend for or against publication. The ideal martial arts magazine would have an editorial board that would apply some similar scrutiny to content; in the case of an article outside their areas of expertise, they would ask someone in the field to review it. Ideally, all articles should cite sources as well. As for the online approach you describe, I know of at least one very solid online martial arts magazine: The Electronic Journals of the Martial Arts and Sciences. They're heavily skewed toward Japanese and Western arts, with an emphasis on history, but the quality of the writing is excellent (something else woefully missing in most MA magazines!) and the BS quotient is very low. I recommend taking a look: http://ejmas.com/ --Lila Ralston, Live Oak Martial Arts --__--__-- Message: 6 From: "Jason Thomas \(Y!\)" To: Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] Re: Master Gordon's Post Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2006 11:06:32 -0500 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net The bottom line is people will pay you what your worth if you provide a good product. Our school falls into the part time, rent a room out of the Gymnastics place, yet we charge $90.00 a month and have 55 students. People are happy to pay comparable rates to commercial school for good training. -----Original Message----- From: Thomas Gordon [mailto:tgordon@gordonmartialarts.com] Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2006 11:01 PM To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] Re: Master Gordon's Post Master Dewitt, Bottom line, we should charge what we're worth, deliver more than we charge (baker's dozen), and follow-up with the customer to make sure that we're doing just that. Something else to consider, pick out your ideal vehicle. Now, if that's what you want to drive, that's what you gotta fill your parking lot up with. There are exceptions to the rule such as Wal-Mart but generally it's a pretty solid rule of thumb. You don't see many BMW's parked in front of the city park rec program. Thanks for the reply Sir. Thomas Gordon Florida _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list, 2,100 members The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang --__--__-- Message: 7 From: "Jason Thomas \(Y!\)" To: Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2006 11:15:03 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] GM West in Austin July 22 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net GM West will be coming to Austin for an all-day Hapkido Seminar. Please visit www.natkd.com/events for more info. Register by July 7th to save $25.00. Thanks, Jason --__--__-- Message: 8 Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2006 09:17:31 -0700 (PDT) From: Jye nigma Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] What's Missing From Martial Arts Magazines To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net MA magazines get a bit repetative as well. Jye Lila Ralston wrote: Going out on a limb here as I have no publishing credentials (though 20+ years of occasional freelance writing): Perhaps what's missing from the world of martial arts publications is a single concept: peer review. --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail Beta. --__--__-- Message: 9 Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2006 09:20:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Jye nigma Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Re: Good student To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I'd have to disagree. Their are good instructors and bad ones just like their are good students and bad ones. It's all in how each individual applies themself. Your instructor could be bruce lee, but if you're not in the right frame of mind, or not attempting to learn then who's teaching you means nothing. Jye --------------------------------- Ring'em or ping'em. Make PC-to-phone calls as low as 1’/min with Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. --__--__-- Message: 10 Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2006 09:32:21 -0700 (PDT) From: Jye nigma Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Master Dan regarding good students To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net One of the things is, not every school focuses on self defense and the need to be able to defend yourself effectively. I remember a couple of years ago, a TKD teacher made the comment that his school is in the suburbs therefore it was safe and he didn't feel the need to stress self defense. Next he stated some garbage about the ranges in which he "should" be able to defend himself....and even admitted that if they got past punching range that would be his a$$. So, with that said, we have alot of so called martial arts teachers focusing on a feel good environment where they feel learning self defense is a drag and would put a damper on the feel good environment. To me that reminds me of church. yep church. You have churches that preach a feel good message instead of preparing the people for what is REALLY coming down the pike. So now, these people recieving this feel good training wont be prepared when stuff gets ugly and it's the same way in these no good martial arts schools. Jye Dan Scholten wrote: It seems the hardest part that to get through people in general and what separates those who you know are going to be good and long term students are the ones who learn and understand the following. Class time is for conditioning and learning not practice, to many students think is the job or wait to have the black belt or master practice with them over and over again. There responsibility is to practice hard alone on what they have been given and when they are with the instructor again prove they are ready to learn more not make the same mistakes over and over and not progress. People don't under stand that they must do the work, the teacher is there to open the door when they are ready. The instructor should be helping them improve and correct not hold there hand and do the work out for them. I was just recently at a black belt test for seven black belts and was on the panel with my GM and I invited my two green belts and their Grand Parents to watch, I didn't know this was an off time year testing for 1st Dan only but it was the worst test I have ever witnessed in 40 years. My two green belts were so much better that the one good thing is that it took the pressure off them thinking about tournament the next day. These people were given black belts with out even being able to perform basic self defense at white belt level. It was embarrassing to watch I wanted to beat the master who had taught them but out of respect and not my back yard so to speak I said little. My students Grand Parents came to me and said you must be very proud of your teaching ability and I said no that's not the issue I feel bad for the Art and I have always been outspoken against the Westernization or business of MA TKD since coming to America but it is not all bad at least they are not robbing 7-11 or getting pregnant at 14??? I myself personally will not pass anyone with out all the standard traditional values of the Art and Kwan but were we live giving a black belt out with out being able to defend your self could be life threatening, there is no law here in many areas at least by plane days later a black belt is like wearing a sign kick me, shoot me knife me rape me beat me. To much self defense is like dancing with a partner I believe in all styles all techniques that work in street or combat situations. If your not training with someone who is battle tested or trained by those who are battle tested then you just belong to a nice club of people but your going to die when the sh-hits the fan!!!!!!!!!!!!!! _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list, 2,100 members The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang --------------------------------- Yahoo! Sports Fantasy Football ’06 - Go with the leader. Start your league today! --__--__-- Message: 11 Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2006 10:19:23 -0700 (PDT) From: Jye nigma Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] Hapkido Covewrage in Black Belt Magazine To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Well actually, you could do all that and then some for much less then then $10,000. All you need is a person or a few people who can complete these tasks: graphic design, desktop publishing, editing, web design, subscriptions, just to name a few...all of which can be handled by one person with the know how. here's where you'd spend money: adobe acrobat $424.99- to convert documents to password protected *.pdf files. Which would be the best file format for an ezine, microsoft Office small business $399.99- msword for word processing; handles magazine layouts, letters, invoices, letter head, etc. ms excel for spreadsheets; can be used for accounting purposes, automated calculations, invoices, payroll and much much more; ms powerpoint for presentations; handles basic animations which are web ready, can be used for advertising, used for meetings to display profits losses, new ideas, etc. ms outlook for email; can be used to keep schedules, contact info like email addresses, much more. MS publisher for basic web design, can be used to create business cards, websites, brochures, magazines, newsletters, etc. adobe photoshop cs2 v 9.0 $619.99 for graphic design; can handle designing logos, website interfaces, can be used to layout the e-zine and much much more. So those are the packages you'll need to get started. so the total is $1444.97, then you just have to find a website hosting company you can get once to take care of all your needs for let's say $10/month, and you'll need a domain name which is let's just say $50/month. So start up funds needed is around$1500 of so not including paying people to use this stuff if you don't know how. So just think, what if to get started including paying people to run the software and to edit submitted work the total was about $3000, you'd most likely make that back with a couple of advertisers. So it can be done and for a heck of alot less then $10,000. I could start one right now with even less then $2000 because I have all the mentioned software, possess the know how, and all that stuff. So just imagine what a couple of you guys could do if you pooled your talents together. You have to remember, your biggest burden doesn't exist online....which is PAPER. You don't have to worry about printing. HOWEVER; if some people wanted a hardcopy of the ezine you could charge them more and have it printed on a by need basis with companies like lulu.com. OR, if you want to stay away from paper, hit them off with a DVD. The dvd can show the techniques displayed in the e-zine. Now if you have the money and really want to "get jiggy with it" lol...you could produce a dvd magazine! maybe I'll write more on that later if someone is interested in how to make that. Jye "Kevin F. Donohue" wrote: Michael, I agree with your assessment pertaining to the current state of Martial Arts publications. What amazes me is that for less than $10,000.00 annually (including a general liability and errors and omissions policy's), a web-zine could be produced that would be far cheaper to produce than printed magazines and less dependent of advertisements. Figure on a monthly site fee of $2.00, and you would need a membership of 5,000 to break even. Figure that you could have reputable advertising from uniform manufacturers, mat manufacturers etc... and could do $4,000 to $6,000.00 in additional income each month and also charge a fee for a listing in a school directory (say $100.00 annually for each school, say 250 listings) and it looks like someone could have a nice side business. Martialinfo.com claims to have over 100,000 subscribers ... I figure that if it is done well and with some integrity, 15,000 KMA subscribers would not be out of the question. Figure a larger circulation could drag your advertising up to over $12,000 a month. Looks like a pretty good business model. Any body with some web skill, some free time and most of all integrity want to run with this? Kevin F. Donohue KHF- New York -----Original Message----- From: Michael Atamian [mailto:maakaa@earthlink.net] Sent: Saturday, June 17, 2006 8:16 AM To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Hapkido Covewrage in Black Belt Magazine Has anyone ever heard of a magazine called Traditional Tae Kwon Do? It came out back in the late 70s and lasted only a few short years. They tried to provide accurate and legitimate martial arts coverage and would not back down from their advertisers who tried to rule their editing process. This resulted in their going bankrupt. When the late Sang Kyu Shim was Editor In Chief of TaeKwonDoTimes Magazine the coverage was even and fair. Can anyone honestly say that there currently exists a legitimate martial arts publication that promotes the true nature of the martial arts? Please share this if such a publication is in existence. Fraternally, Michael A. Atamian Doju/Choson Do _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list, 2,100 members The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list, 2,100 members The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Next-gen email? Have it all with the all-new Yahoo! 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