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(tim walker) --__--__-- Message: 1 Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2006 20:38:35 -0700 (PDT) From: steven riggs Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Anyone else see the Bill O'Reilly segment on the UFC To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I like O'Reilly's show but he seemed uncharacteristically poorly prepared. One study in England and several bleak references to Ali getting Parkinson's disease due to boxing which has not been proven are the only "facts" thrown at these gentlemen. I agree that Mr Franklin did the better of the two. I was disappointed that they only grazed over the fact that so many matches are decided by submission without any injuries beyond some bruises requiring ice packs. Mr Franklin just briefly touched on and should have gone further into professional athletes having career ending injuries at an alarming rate including serious concussions that absolutely end their career, several NFL quarterbacks come to mind. Mr Franklin also mentioned about his lack of need for vicodin to deal with the pain of injuries. My understanding of professional sports especially football is that use of narcotics is very heavy due to the severity of the injuries and the expectation that if you are making 3 million a year you better have your hinny out there playing every Sun whether you feel well or not. I also wondered at O'Reilly's uncharacteristic lack of passion about the segment. This almost seemed as if it was a segment produced by a producer that he did but had no personal interest in it. A few minutes later he did a segment on big oil company profits and he is a Baptist preacher at a camp meeting preaching fire and brimstone on that subject and recommending boycotts. (I happen to agree with him on the abuses there leading to ridiculous gas prices). Should it be banned? NO, should it be better regulated? Yes! Should there be better medical oversight? Without a doubt! I don't personally care for it and I think it can make the rest of us especially traditional martial artists look badly but this is America. We don't ban things because we disagree with them or don't personally like them. A final thought would be boxers do get hit dozens of times to the head more often than UFC fighters, you only have to watch the tape and count. Steven Riggs Tom wrote: Last night, Wednesday, on the Fox News Bill O'Reilly show there was a segment on the UFC and whether it should be banned in the US. Bill's guests were Rich Franklin and Dana White. I felt like Rich Franklin, a former school teacher, did a good job of defending the UFC whereas Dana was given very little time and could only quote the lack of serious injuries or deaths in the UFC. Dana tried to make the point that boxing is more dangerous. Rich commented that before becoming a school teacher he was an amateur boxer. Bill O'Reilly had a study out of England that stated there is a higher percentage of concussions in the UFC events than boxing and therefore based his conclusion about banning the UFC on that study. So, is the UFC safer than boxing? Should it be banned. _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list, 2,100 members The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang --------------------------------- Want to be your own boss? Learn how on Yahoo! Small Business. --__--__-- Message: 2 Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2006 10:40:23 +0800 From: "S. H. Wee" To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: Attack In Convenient Store Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Somehing for discussion. The shop owner survived the knife attacks mms://www4.21cn.com/media/t_media/top/0605/19/sharen2.wmv S. H. Wee shinhoe@pc.jaring.my --__--__-- Message: 3 Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2006 20:50:58 -0700 From: The_Dojang To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Azerbaijan President Meets with Leaders of Taekwondo Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Azerbaijan President Meets with Leaders of Taekwondo Federation, Medal Winners, Coaches President of Azerbaijan Ilham Aliyev met with the heads of the Azerbaijan Taekwondo Federation, the winner taekwondoists and their coaches on June 21, 2006, at the National Olympic Committee. Noting that this kind of sport is quickly developing in Azerbaijan, the head of state said the "success of the country's taekwondoists please us." "Last times some sportsmen have won gold medals in taekwondo contests and glorify our Motherland," the President stressed. The President of Azerbaijan congratulated the heads of the Azerbaijan Taekwondo Federation, the medalists and their coaches for continuation of the best tradition of Azerbaijani sportsmen. The head of state also noted that Kamaladdin Heydarov, president of the Azerbaijan Taekwondo Federation, has been elected a member of the Executive Council of the World Taekwondo Federation. "The world recognizes the victories of Azeri sportsmen," he emphasized. The President of Azerbaijan once again congratulated the medal winners, wished them new successes. Speaking at the meeting, Kamaladdin Heydarov, president of the Azerbaijani Taekwondo Federation, noted that the state cares for sports in the country. He said the world organizations also appreciate the care and attention the government of Azerbaijan renders to sports, the youth and sports policy pursued on state level. Mr. Heydarov, in particular, on behalf of the country's taekwondoists, expressed his gratitude to the head of state for his constant attention to them. After the meeting, President Aliyev and the sportsmen were taken their photos. (Story from the Azertac, the State Telegraph Agency of the Republic of Azerbaijan, on June 21, 2006) --__--__-- Message: 4 Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2006 08:07:19 -0400 From: sidtkd@aol.com To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] NEW SLANT ON DAN CERTIFICATION Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net As if all the ranting I've done in the past weren't enough, there is now a "master" in Queens New York that takes fees for kukkiwon certification, doesn't deliver the dan certificates and himself doesn't hold a kukkiwon dan Is enough enough??????" Sid Rubinfeld ________________________________________________________________________ Check out AOL.com today. Breaking news, video search, pictures, email and IM. All on demand. Always Free. --__--__-- Message: 5 Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2006 07:51:33 -0400 (GMT-04:00) From: Jesse Segovia To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Re: What Ray does! Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Yes, thanks Ray for providing this very interesting and very important martial arts resource, and doing the very hard work to make sure it remains that way. Jesse --__--__-- Message: 6 From: "Michael Atamian" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2006 08:10:57 -0400 Subject: [The_Dojang] RE: Dan Scholten's comments Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net First of all I must convey to Dan that I fully agree with all his comments but wished to home in on two sentences of his: "All these guys making lots of money must be doing it right or haven't been caught yet????" There is a unique "thing" in the martial arts which, when used improperly, creates the "cult" effect. Many so called "grand masters" use this to their advantage by demanding blind loyalty from their students, creating their own little local followings which soon grow to become regional, then national and finally international followings. Most have no idea what sports medicine is all about and most don't care. Were it not for the fact that I don't wish to be sued by one of these fakers with far more money than integrity I could easily name a few that I know personally. By the time these thieves get caught they have enough money to ward off lawsuits and then their cult status is enhanced even more, affording them international fame, fortune and the "respect" of the martial arts world!. Oddly enough there are few laws that can prevent these crooks and charlatans from plying their trade and getting rich off the sweat of young people who look to them for guidance. No truth in advertising in the martial arts. "High kicks are complete bull and every thing needs to be low impact." Bravo! Years ago a student asked me which foot I preferred when executing a high kick to an opponent's face. I replied, "Either one" while raising both open hands. He looked very puzzled so I demonstrated how a low kick to the groin brought my opponent's face down to where I could simply strike it with an open palm or an open back hand strike. I applaud Master Dan for understanding the "secrets" of the martial arts. Fraternally, Michael A. Atamian Doju/Choson Do --__--__-- Message: 7 Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2006 06:29:34 -0700 From: The_Dojang To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] International Taekwondo Alliance Summer Festival Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Martial artists in town for seminars, competition Friday, June 23, 2006 By RHODA A. PICKETT Staff Reporter, The Press-Register Around 2,000 martial artists from throughout the country are in Mobile for the International Taekwondo Alliance Summer Festival and World Championships at the Arthur R. Outlaw Mobile Convention Center. Competition begins today and continues Saturday with Taekwondo artists with expertise ranging from white belt to black belt vying for 3,000 medals in four events. Competitors range from the age of 4 to adult. There's a Saturday morning demonstration that involves a combination of traditional martial arts techniques set to music, organizers said. About 500 martial arts instructors are also at the conference, which started Wednesday, organizers said. Originating in Korea, Taekwondo is a martial art known for its aerial and high kicks, said Jason Wegener, the organization's public information officer. Taekwondo and Judo are the two martial arts that are included in the Olympics, Wegener said. The Mobile competition has attracted competitors from 26 states as well as from Scotland and England, organizers said in a prepared statement. Admission is $10 for a two-day pass for all of today's matches and all Saturday events. The price remains $10 for anyone wanting to attend only Saturday's events. Friday's adult black belt competition starts at 5 p.m. Freestyle forms begin at 8 a.m. Saturday followed by masters' demonstrations at 11 a.m. with the remaining competitions running from noon to 5 p.m. "Our students have been gearing up for this for the last six months," said Michael Mershad, a Taekwondo instructor in Ohio. "We're really looking forward to it, and we all have a great time when we get to attend one of these tournaments along the coast." --__--__-- Message: 8 From: "tim walker" To: Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2006 16:07:11 -0400 Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: UFC safer than boxing? Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net <> Yes. So should allowing your children to play unattended and the sale of tobacco products to people too ignorant to heed the warnings. Just kidding. If 2 people want to pound the snot our of each other for $$, well, this IS America, by golly. But I shouldn't have to pay for their brain injuries with Medicare/Medicaid anymore than I should be required to pay for the Marlboro Man's lung CA or anybody's head injury from lack of wearing a motorcycle helmet. Nobody forces anyone to A. Participate or B. Watch it. If people didn't approve, it wouldn't be so wildly popular, and the tickets wouldn't be so darned expensive. timo "Blow Up Your TV!" --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang http://the-dojang.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/the_dojang Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and http://MartialArtsResource.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of The_Dojang Digest