Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2006 02:59:46 -0700 From: the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: The_Dojang digest, Vol 13 #280 - 4 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: kma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: The Internet's premier discussion forum on Korean Martial Arts. 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Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The Internet's premier discussion forum devoted to Korean Martial Arts. 2,100 members. See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of The_Dojang at http://MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! Today's Topics: 1. RE: Dan Ranks in a short time frame (Rick Clark) 2. Re: aquiring dan rank (Steven Berkowitz) 3. Ban the UFC (t.metzner1) 4. Amerinternational (Curt McCauley) --__--__-- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2006 21:05:42 -0400 From: "Rick Clark" Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] Dan Ranks in a short time frame To: Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net >From: Gladewater SooBahkDo [mailto:gladewatersoobahkdo@msn.com] >To sum it up I think it is possible, however the requirements to achieve such a goal are rarely met. Today in people are >money hungry and willing to sell you what ever rank you want. So I would be watchfull of someone claiming to have a 1 year >dan rank, but I know how hard I trained to make dan and it still took me 5 years training 5 days per week sometimes 3 >hours per day. You can get a Kukkiwon 1st dan in one year in Korea. Kukkiwon is supposed to be the gold standard in Tae Kwon Do rank. Hummmm? Getting a 1st dan in one year is not a new thing, it's been going on for a long time. Rick Clark www.ao-denkou-kai.org --__--__-- Message: 2 From: "Steven Berkowitz" To: Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] aquiring dan rank Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2006 18:07:16 -0700 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net "perfect stances"?????? no human being can accomplish that. "Perfect" is a thought, a concept, a dream. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2006 4:59 PM Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] aquiring dan rank > Hello all, > I mostly read the posts to this list, and just take what I can from them > without replying. But I felt I had to give this one a shot. I've read all > the replies and I think some people get really confused about what a black > belt means. Especially those who are not currently involved in martial arts, > or just getting started. Some look at black belts as knowing all there is, > but in reality, a black belt signifies that you have mastered the basic > movements of that art. For instance, in TKD a black belt should have perfect > stances. You should be able to perform all the forms you have learned since > day one. Your front kick, side kick, back kick, roundhouse, and spinning > kick should all be performed with proper technique. Now, that being said, > lets get a bit more "real world". In most schools it will take you 3 years > to achieve BB. Depending on age, and as some have said, natural > ability..Some BB's will perform said basic functions more fluently, and > gracefully than others. Its not so much that the person with the black belt > is as I have heard some say before, "A white belt that kept comming to > class", its that the BB is "A white belt that never gave up". Because above > all things that a BB signifies is... a BB is a role model for lower belt > students. You don't just come to class, but you give it your best every > class. You never give up. > I'm not a BB yet, but in my school that is what stands out most about our > BBs. They try harder, go longer, and push themselves further every class and > as I have found with my training, these qualities seem to carry over into > everyday life. On the job, out to eat, and even on vacation. You are a BB. A > senior representitive of your martial art, and most importantly, your school > and fellow students. > Ryan > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Tuesday, June 27, 2006 9:20 PM > Subject: [The_Dojang] aquiring dan rank > > > > In my school, it normally takes approx. 4 years to reach BB status. > > However, I have seen BBs who trained 4 or more years and are still > > terrible. I have trained with students that have trained a year and had > > understanding of techniques and fighting abilities equal to most BBs. I > > believe that some people just have natural abilities that enable them to > > perform and catch on quicker than others. There are many students who > > train for years that will never perform as great as others. > > I think if someone has natural talent and a willingness to practice they > > could possibly rank in a year or so but, not in my class or most of the > > instructor's classes that I know of. > > In Japan, 1st, 2nd and 3rd dans are considered competitors and only > > asistant instructors or advanced students at 4th and 5th and then Teacher > > at 6th dan. I believe that in Korea, Japan etc... they don't put as much > > demand in quanity or quality of techniques as we do here in the US at > > lower ranks. Everyone here thinks if you attain a BB, you are a master, so > > most instructors put a hugh standard on the 1st dan rank, this is why it > > takes so long over here to reach dan rank than in Korea or Japan. Just my > > two cents. > > Shihan mike > > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Check out AOL.com today. Breaking news, video search, pictures, email and > > IM. All on demand. Always Free. > > _______________________________________________ > > The_Dojang mailing list, 2,100 members > > The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net > > Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource > > Standard disclaimers apply > > http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang > _______________________________________________ > The_Dojang mailing list, 2,100 members > The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource > Standard disclaimers apply > http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.5/377 - Release Date: 6/27/2006 --__--__-- Message: 3 From: "t.metzner1" To: Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2006 23:17:55 -0400 Subject: [The_Dojang] Ban the UFC Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Many years ago I worked as a orderly at a Psychiatric Hospital. We had to deal with violence on the units on a regular basis. It was common back then to isolate escalating patients in a room with a punching bag and let them "work out their aggression". Then someone realized this was only making the situation worse and in fact did nothing to control the violence. We found other ways to deal with violent patients. Similarly, in my opinion, the UFC does not "control" our violent nature as Mr. Tomlinson suggests- it justifies it. It promotes violence as a means of conflict resolution and a "might makes right" mentality. This is not beneficial to developing a peaceful society. What happens if someone cut off a UFC fighter in traffic? He would probably feel justified it beating the s**t out of him because that is his frame of reference and a definition of his manhood. I suspect most of these men are not highly educated and lack the intelligence and maturity to resolve conflicts with their heads instead of their fists. UFC does not further the goals of martial arts training. If someone came to my school after watching UFC wanting to learn how to fight I would decline their business. UFC is barbaric and should be banned. Society needs fewer people with this type of mentality. Tom Metzner --__--__-- Message: 4 From: "Curt McCauley" To: Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2006 20:27:38 -0700 Subject: [The_Dojang] Amerinternational Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Hello to all, IMHO, having someone else do the collecting of YOUR income may not be the soundest business practice. (just mail your wallets to me) Seriously, I have a 4'X8' white dry erase board that I use to draw diagrams, asian characters, events, deadlines, etc. At the 1st of every month, I write boldly "RENT IS DUE", and people actually bring me money. When someone becomes past due I write their name on the board. Of course I write their name on the board if books or equipment have come in for them also. NO ONE LIKES THEIR NAME ON THE BOARD!! Too simple? Hire a bookkeeper, trade tuition with a student to take care of billing. Do it yourself. Keep the $$ in you studio or your community. Whoever thought up "Let me take care of your money" had a great idea.... for them. Curt McCauley Chief Instructor Channel Town Soo Bahk Do --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang http://the-dojang.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/the_dojang Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and http://MartialArtsResource.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of The_Dojang Digest