Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2006 13:06:50 -0700 From: the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: The_Dojang digest, Vol 13 #281 - 16 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: kma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: The Internet's premier discussion forum on Korean Martial Arts. 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Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The Internet's premier discussion forum devoted to Korean Martial Arts. 2,100 members. See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of The_Dojang at http://MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! Today's Topics: 1. Re: Re: Time in rank (Josette LeBlanc) 2. Time in rank (Robert Martin) 3. Re: Equiavalent to kukkiwon dan??? (sidtkd@aol.com) 4. RE: Dan Ranks in a short time frame (Master Mark Seidel) 5. Re: Ban the UFC (hankido@mac.com) 6. wa ki sul (PETER.MCDONALDSMITH@london-fire.gov.uk) 7. Ban the UFC (Stovall, Craig) 8. Re: wa ki sul (Steven Berkowitz) 9. Experts at taking money (dave weller) 10. Re: wa ki sul (Jye nigma) 11. gm benkos website (Jye nigma) 12. Article: defense against weapons (Jye nigma) 13. sung nee hoshinsool (Jye nigma) 14. Ban the UFC (Burdick, Dakin Robert) 15. Re: wa ki sul (Jay O'Connor) 16. Article: TKD essay winner (Jye nigma) --__--__-- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2006 21:29:38 -0700 From: "Josette LeBlanc" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Re: Time in rank Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Tim, Thank you for your input. Your comments ring true. It must mean something or we wouldn't be pushing ourselves. "the difference between a white belt and a black belt is that the black belt kept coming to class." Josette On 28/06/06, tim walker wrote: > > < belt" > is just a name; a rank>> > > Josette: > > A wise man once told me that a black belt was just an attendance award. I > believe the direct quote was (use a Mississippi accent, please), "the > difference between a white belt and a black belt is that the black belt > kept > coming to class." > > Don't think it means nothing. Mine means a lot...to me. Mine shouldn't > mean a whole lot to you. > > Just keep coming to class. > > Yours, > > timo > "I LOVE this game!" > _______________________________________________ > The_Dojang mailing list, 2,100 members > The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource > Standard disclaimers apply > http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang > -- "Be formless... shapeless like water. If you put water into a cup, it becomes the cup. You put water into a bottle; it becomes the bottle. You put it into a teapot; it becomes the teapot. Water can flow, and it can crash. Be water, my friend..." - Bruce Lee --__--__-- Message: 2 From: "Robert Martin" To: Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2006 23:18:51 -0600 Subject: [The_Dojang] Time in rank Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I know I'm late on the time in rank question. I've enjoyed reading everyone's response. I found the following interesting and thought I would share it. Major General Choi Hong Hi published this in his encyclopedia of Teakwon-Do. Criteria for Grade and Degree: For first degree black belt 1 1/2 hour per day, three days a week -- 30 months 1 1/2 hour per day, six days per week -- 18 months 4 hours per day, six day per week -- 12 months 1st to 2nd Dan -- 1.5 years 2nd to 3rd Dan -- 2 years 3rd to 4th Dan -- 3 years 4th to 5th Dan -- 4 years 5th to 6th Dan -- 5 years 6th to 7th Dan -- 6 years 7th to 8th Dan -- 7 years If a person trains hard, does the stuff, understands what they are doing, and can demonstrate it -- 1 year to 1st Dan isn't out of the question. A big part of the question is what sort of ability the student has and what kind of shape they are in. Ultimately, a person could obtain 7th Dan in the ITF in under 25 years if they worked hard. Robert Martin V Dan, USTF -- ---------------------------------------- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter for private users. It has removed 6632 spam emails to date. Paying users do not have this message in their emails. Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len --__--__-- Message: 3 From: sidtkd@aol.com Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2006 07:19:12 EDT To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: Equiavalent to kukkiwon dan??? Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I now hear a new line. There are those saying that AAU Taekwondo dan certificate, Taekwondo Won certification , Kang Duk Won are equivalent to kukkiwon dans and are accepted as such. This is new to me. Anyone know of this? Sid --__--__-- Message: 4 From: "Master Mark Seidel" To: Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] Dan Ranks in a short time frame Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2006 07:34:02 -0400 Organization: The Midtown Academy Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net When I did consulting for MA schools in the 90's, I visited a lot of schools throughout the US and western Canada; and there was a mind set at a lot of schools that if a student spent too much time as a colored belt that they would more likely to drop out and that if they were a Black Belt that they would continue to train and test at a higher fee. Actually after analyzing the statistics more students quit after BB because they thought that was the pinnacle of training. Money and the desire to stay in business, drives promotions whether we like it or not. Mark -----Original Message----- From: Rick Clark [mailto:rick.aodenkou@verizon.net] Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2006 9:06 PM To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] Dan Ranks in a short time frame >From: Gladewater SooBahkDo [mailto:gladewatersoobahkdo@msn.com] >To sum it up I think it is possible, however the requirements to achieve such a goal are rarely met. Today in people are >money hungry and willing to sell you what ever rank you want. So I would be watchfull of someone claiming to have a 1 year >dan rank, but I know how hard I trained to make dan and it still took me 5 years training 5 days per week sometimes 3 >hours per day. You can get a Kukkiwon 1st dan in one year in Korea. Kukkiwon is supposed to be the gold standard in Tae Kwon Do rank. Hummmm? Getting a 1st dan in one year is not a new thing, it's been going on for a long time. Rick Clark www.ao-denkou-kai.org --__--__-- Message: 5 Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2006 20:44:42 +0900 From: hankido@mac.com To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: Ban the UFC Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net >Many years ago I worked as a orderly at a Psychiatric Hospital. We had to deal >with violence on the units on a regular basis. It was common back then to >isolate escalating patients in a room with a punching bag and let them "work >out their aggression". Then someone realized this was only making the >situation worse and in fact did nothing to control the violence. We found >other ways to deal with violent patients. > >Similarly, in my opinion, the UFC does not "control" our violent nature as Mr. >Tomlinson suggests- it justifies it. It promotes violence as a means of >conflict resolution and a "might makes right" mentality. This is not >beneficial to developing a peaceful society. I whole hearthitly agree with you so far, but the rest of what you say is 100% nonsense. The last thing our world needs is people who go around generalizing. The way you stereotype the average UFC-fighter is absolutely not the kind of behaviour I would expect from somebody who devotes his live to martial arts. > What happens if someone cut off a >UFC fighter in traffic? He would probably feel justified it beating the s**t >out of him because that is his frame of reference and a definition of his >manhood. I suspect most of these men are not highly educated and lack the >intelligence and maturity to resolve conflicts with their heads instead of >their fists. > >UFC does not further the goals of martial arts training. If someone came to >my school after watching UFC wanting to learn how to fight I would decline >their business. UFC is barbaric and should be banned. Society needs fewer >people with this type of mentality. -- mvg. Klaas Barends http://www.hapkidoforum.com/ --__--__-- Message: 6 Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2006 14:09:47 +0100 From: To: Cc: Subject: [The_Dojang] wa ki sul Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Hi every one. I am going to run a free 6 week self defence class at my local church. Myself [TKD] a friend who hold a black belt in Judo and another friend who is a high ranking LEO [SPEAR] will be running the classes. Between the 3 of us we should cover the fundaments. However I was looking on the internet and come across a man called GM Benko. Has any body else heard of him? He has a video called wa ki sul, which is translated as ground fighting. TKD ground fighting? Should I be sceptical? Regards, Peter + **************************************************************************** SMOKE ALARMS SAVE LIVES Go to London Fire at www.london-fire.gov.uk/firesafety This email is confidential to the addressee only. If you do not believe that you are the intended addressee, do not use, pass on or copy it in any way. If you have received it in error, please delete it immediately and telephone the supplied number, reversing the charges if necessary. --__--__-- Message: 7 Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2006 08:27:21 -0500 From: "Stovall, Craig" To: Subject: [The_Dojang] Ban the UFC Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net <<>> I would suggest that ALL combative martial arts teach an ethos of "violence as a form of conflict resolution". After all, one could approach the world from a pacifist moral high-ground, and bow to the lash of one's enemy knowing that "the right thing" was done (avoidance of violence at all costs). The martial artist takes a different approach...they train for violence in case violence is brought to their doorstep, and prepares to answer it in kind. In turn, the greater good is served because the aggressor is kept in check. I think this sublime truth gets lost sometimes. <<< What happens if someone cut off a UFC fighter in traffic? He would probably feel justified it beating the s**t out of him because that is his frame of reference and a definition of his manhood.>>> Big leap there. <<>> Education and civility are mutually exclusive concepts. It wasn't poor, gutter trash that invented the atomic bomb my friend...it was the best and brightest minds that humanity had to offer. Closer to the point, I can think of several current UFC fighters who have undergraduate and graduate degrees. <<>> Martial arts doesn't have goals...PEOPLE have goals. People have different goals...the UFC is congruent with some of those goals, and incongruent with others. Blanket statements...I hate them so. <<>> War is barbaric...let's ban it!!! Make love...not war!!! Oh wait, fornication is barbaric...let's ban it!!! Self-love...not free love!!! Oh wait, you'll go blind... There's a bogey man hiding under every rock...all you have to do is lift it up and look. You no likey...you no have to watchey. Craig "Barbarism Rockz" Stovall --__--__-- Message: 8 From: "Steven Berkowitz" To: Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] wa ki sul Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2006 06:48:26 -0700 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net James Benko, Grand Blanc, Mich, is also a Hapkido man, been around a long time. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Cc: Sent: Thursday, June 29, 2006 6:09 AM Subject: [The_Dojang] wa ki sul > Hi every one. I am going to run a free 6 week self defence class at my > local church. Myself [TKD] a friend who hold a black belt in Judo and > another friend who is a high ranking LEO [SPEAR] will be running the > classes. Between the 3 of us we should cover the fundaments. However I > was looking on the internet and come across a man called GM Benko. Has > any body else heard of him? He has a video called wa ki sul, which is > translated as ground fighting. TKD ground fighting? Should I be > sceptical? > Regards, > Peter + > **************************************************************************** > > > > SMOKE ALARMS SAVE LIVES > > > > Go to London Fire at www.london-fire.gov.uk/firesafety > > > > This email is confidential to the addressee only. If you do not believe that > you are the intended addressee, do not use, pass on or copy it in any way. > If you have received it in error, please delete it immediately and telephone > the supplied number, reversing the charges if necessary. > _______________________________________________ > The_Dojang mailing list, 2,100 members > The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource > Standard disclaimers apply > http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.5/377 - Release Date: 6/27/2006 --__--__-- Message: 9 From: dave weller Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2006 08:50:53 -0500 To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Experts at taking money Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Mr. McCauley made this excellent observation: > Hello to all, > IMHO, having someone else do the collecting of YOUR income may not > be the > soundest business practice. (just mail your wallets to me) I've never figured out the rationale behind letting someone else control your wallet, or your destiny. I see it all the time in my work, and am not surprised to see it in the Martial Arts. People are more than willing to hand off something they don't understand fully to an "expert" or (and these guys are the worlds worst) a "consultant" when all it would take is a little study (and perhaps a bit of sweat) to be a hell of a lot smarter than the consultant and experts who are mainly out to fleece you. Consultants are merely people who couldn't make it in their chosen fields and decided they could make more money advising others about things they really don't do well themselves. And the fact that Hackworth (who I really don't give a rat's behind about one way or another, I have no dog in that fight) is now involved in such a pursuit should come as a surprise to no one with half a brain. Dave Weller, TKD consultant --__--__-- Message: 10 Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2006 07:45:26 -0700 (PDT) From: Jye nigma Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] wa ki sul To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I would think that that is the next evolution of TKD. In my opinion, TKD should have much more fighting tactics then it does. I think it should be like if a group of people where told to see how many kicking combinations they could come up with at various ranges, in the air, on the ground and standing up, etc. TKD is supposed to be known as the kicking art, but I've seen more kicking in some kung fu styles...lol. Simple things like rolling and delivering a kick. but anyhow, I did a search for benko and found this video on 'ground fighting' http://www.itatkd.com/v-144.html not sure if this material is taken from TKD because on the video cover at the bottom it has han kuk mu do (korean kick boxing). Also, I wonder if their ground fighting consists of grappling? or kicking techinques on the ground? Jye PETER.MCDONALDSMITH@london-fire.gov.uk wrote: Hi every one. I am going to run a free 6 week self defence class at my local church. Myself [TKD] a friend who hold a black belt in Judo and another friend who is a high ranking LEO [SPEAR] will be running the classes. Between the 3 of us we should cover the fundaments. However I was looking on the internet and come across a man called GM Benko. Has any body else heard of him? He has a video called wa ki sul, which is translated as ground fighting. TKD ground fighting? Should I be sceptical? Regards, Peter + **************************************************************************** SMOKE ALARMS SAVE LIVES Go to London Fire at www.london-fire.gov.uk/firesafety This email is confidential to the addressee only. If you do not believe that you are the intended addressee, do not use, pass on or copy it in any way. If you have received it in error, please delete it immediately and telephone the supplied number, reversing the charges if necessary. _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list, 2,100 members The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang --------------------------------- Want to be your own boss? Learn how on Yahoo! Small Business. --__--__-- Message: 11 Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2006 07:46:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Jye nigma To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] gm benkos website Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net http://www.itatkd.com/ --------------------------------- Yahoo! Music Unlimited - Access over 1 million songs.Try it free. --__--__-- Message: 12 Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2006 07:51:12 -0700 (PDT) From: Jye nigma To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net, MartialArtsTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: [The_Dojang] Article: defense against weapons Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net From: http://www.itatkd.com/art-weapondefense.html#top Defense Against Weapons by Grand Master James S. Benko, Ph.D. If when confronted by an opponent who has a weapon, you are unable to reason with him or walk away peaceably, then you must be prepared to defend yourself or face the consequences. No matter how small your opponent may be, if he has a weapon he has a distinct advantage over you. He will be able to strike you while remaining outside your defensive sphere. A club, even in the hands of a novice, can become a deadly weapon. Therefore, when you begin to take action to defend yourself, you must act decisively and without hesitation. You must either draw your antagonist into your defensive sphere or move along one of the angles of evasion, so that you will be able to control the weapon and neutralize your opponent. When defending against a weapon attack you should follow the rules of defensive action in their precise chronological order: Evade the attack by drawing the opponent into your defensive sphere or moving along one of the angles of evasion. Control the weapon. Use trapping techniques, joint locks or manipulations, strikes, or off-balancing techniques. Neutralize the opponent. This may be accomplished by disarming him and counter-attacking, using his weapon against him or striking vital parts of the body. Throws and projections are also methods of neutralization and may be used at this point. When defending against an opponent who has a knife, controlling the weapon is of the utmost importance. Soft blocks, and circular movements should be used when subduing him. Re-direct or evade the weapon while following up with a technique of neutralization. When disarming an opponent who is using a knife, you will not, in most situations, use the weapon against him, as can be done in club defenses. When defending against club attacks you are able to grab the end of the weapon and quite easily disarm him. With a knife that same situation does not exist. Your opponent will be holding the only area of the knife which can be grabbed safely. The only time you will be able to actually take the knife away from him and use it against him is while executing detailed joint manipulation techniques. Normally, the weapon will fall to the ground, at which point you will promptly follow up with a technique of neutralization. When practicing weapon defenses you should do so under the direct supervision of a qualified instructor. You should practice with a rubber or wooden knife NEVER with a real knife. When executing a disarm technique apply pressure to the joints slowly and stop the technique as soon as your partner signals you that there is pain or too much pressure being exerted. The pain tells you your opponent would have dropped the knife at that point. Safety, concentration, and preciseness are key factors in determining the effectiveness of your defenses. --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Get on board. You're invited to try the new Yahoo! Mail Beta. --__--__-- Message: 13 Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2006 08:06:09 -0700 (PDT) From: Jye nigma To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] sung nee hoshinsool Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net http://members.tripod.com/koreangrappling/index.htm --------------------------------- How low will we go? Check out Yahoo! Messenger’s low PC-to-Phone call rates. --__--__-- Message: 14 Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2006 13:27:06 -0400 From: "Burdick, Dakin Robert" To: Subject: [The_Dojang] Ban the UFC Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Tom Metzner wrote: >Many years ago I worked as a orderly at a Psychiatric Hospital. We had to deal with violence on the units on a regular basis. It was common back then to isolate escalating patients in a room with a punching bag and let them "work out their aggression". Then someone realized this was only making the situation worse and in fact did nothing to control the violence. We found other ways to deal with violent patients. I think that realization came about in the 1980s. The name "Nosanchuk" or some such keeps coming to mind as the psychologist who did the research on how the use of punching bags actually reinforced aggressive behavior. Anyone remember the actual study? Yours in the arts, Dakin Burdick dakinburdick@yahoo.com --__--__-- Message: 15 Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2006 11:51:44 -0600 From: Jay O'Connor To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] wa ki sul Cc: Jye nigma Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net ---- Jye nigma wrote: > I would think that that is the next evolution of TKD. In my opinion, TKD should have much more fighting tactics then it does. I think it should be like if a group of people where told to see how many kicking combinations they could come up with at various ranges, in the air, on the ground and standing up, etc. TKD is supposed to be known as the kicking art, but I've seen more kicking in some kung fu styles...lol. Simple things like rolling and delivering a kick. I have seen photos of Taekwondo doing kicks from the ground. Actually I was free-sparring with a guy and he grabbed my arm so I rolled/flipped over onto my back on the ground and kicked up at him into his chest...he let me go (and we were both only formally "Takewondo"...just using what we needed/knew to get the job done) But both of us trained Taekwondo as a fighting art, not a sport, so we used Taekwondo probably in ways you wouldn't normally think of it as Take care, Jay --__--__-- Message: 16 Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2006 11:13:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Jye nigma To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net, itf-taekwondo@yahoogroups.com, MartialArtsTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: [The_Dojang] Article: TKD essay winner Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Taekwondo Essay Contest - First Prize (Adult) Name: Pamela Kearney(43) Taekwondo and the Friendship Between the Republic of Korea and the United States. The Republic of Korea and the United States of America have had a political friendship for a number of decades. By Definition, political friendships can be fragile as they have at their foundation the self interest of each party. True friendships, however, are based on genuine communication with a deeper understanding and appreciation for the other’s similarities and differences. These relationships have at their core a common set of values with an interest in mutual preservation of the other’s individuality. The Korean art and sport of Taekwondo has definitely contributed to the true friendship between the Republic of Korea and the United States and unquestionably continue to do so in the future. Taekwondo, the “Art’ or “Way” of kicking and punching, has a long, rich and complicated history coinciding with the history of Korea. Its “official” existence began when the original kwans united under the name of Taekwondo in 1955, however its roots date back to 50 BC and beyond. Its influence as both an art and a sport has spread worldwide since that time, and in no place is this truer than in the United States of America. Since Grandmaster Jhoon Rhee started his first dojang in the 1950’s, American children and adults have been studying Taekwondo in thousands of dojangs around the country and it has grown to be the most popular martial arts in the U.S. The official sport of the Republic of Korea since 1971, Taekwondo has unequivocally has a positive effect on the friendship between the two countries and helped build a bridge between the Eastern and Western cultures of these nations. The influence of the sport of Taekwondo can easily be recognized even by non practitioners of the art. The positive effect of intense, but friendly sports competition between nations is well recognized. One has to look only as far as international contests such as the Olympic Games. Sports fan of all kinds can recognize and appreciate the hard work and dedication required to become a champion. Such competitions become a perfect venue for cultural exchange among the people of different nations, starting with the athletes and spreading to their family, friends, fans and countrymen. Taekwondo in the U.S. is no exception. As in any internationally prominent sport with elite athletes, the roots begin with thousands of “hopefuls” in big cities and small towns in dojangs across the country. More unique among sports, however, is how this Korean sport has remained Korean even in the Heartland of America. In dojangs across the U.S., the Korean and United States flags are saluted together on a daily basis. American children and adults learn some of the Korean language as they learn the salutes, learn to count, and become familiar with the instructions and commands of the officials in Taekwondo matches and tournaments. The students become educated in some elements of Korean etiquette, as they have been preserved in many American Taekwondo schools. Many learn Korean history, both ancient and modern, when their instructors wisely require them to know the history of the martial art they study. The more one learns, the more one seeks to learn once the seed of knowledge has been planted and begins to grow. The insightful students will seek out books and articles about Korea and may even seek out willing Korean friends, neighbors and co-workers to learn first hand move about the Korean culture. The more of a country’s culture another understands, the harder it becomes to have misunderstandings, reducing the potential for conflict. This is particularly thru when people gain this understanding as a youth, and many Taekwondo students begin their studies as children. Even more important than the sport, is the art of Taekwondo. The influence of the art on the friendship is more subtle, as it is less understood by those who are not practitioners. Taekwondo as a sport is constantly changing, but the art is much more stable and its foundations go back more than two millennia. This ability will allow it to continue to influence the friendship over the course of the future. When a student is able to adequately develop and nourish his or her mid, body and spirit, an appropriate balance is reached. This balance transcends individual lives and reaches into relationships with other people, even when those people live across an ocean in a different culture. The simple elegance of the tenets and commandments of Taekwondo are universal. They promote ideals that aid students in becoming both better people and more dedicated members of their communities-both local and global. Looking to the future, the value and benefits that Taekwondo has brought to the friendship between the Republic of Korea the United States of America can not help but continue. Citizens of both nations are bonded in the ideals expressed by the tenets and commandments. The people of the two countries share a belief in courtesy, integrity, perseverance, and self control. This will allow them to adopt an attitude of indomitable spirit in their friendship with one another, both among their leaders and their fellow citizens. They will continue to see that the people of the two nations are very much alike: they are loyal to their country, parents, spouses, siblings, friends, elders and teachers, and recognize the harm in unjust killing. Such similarities will allow the two nations to resolve any political conflicts that may arise in a fair and amicable manner. The art and sport of Taekwondo has helped allow the people of the Republic of Korea and the United States of America to learn about our similarities. It also helps us appreciate and respect our differences – whether they are personal, cultural, or political. When it comes to the relationship between the two nations, we must adopt an attitude of indomitable spirit in our loyalty to our friends – and we must never retreat when things become difficult. And the friendship will flourish, as we always finish what we begin! --------------------------------- Want to be your own boss? Learn how on Yahoo! Small Business. --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang http://the-dojang.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/the_dojang Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and http://MartialArtsResource.com Standard disclaimers apply. 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