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Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The Internet's premier discussion forum devoted to Korean Martial Arts. 2,100 members. See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of The_Dojang at http://MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! Today's Topics: 1. Master Dan UFC (Dan Scholten) 2. Re: Hackworth??? (Alida D'med) 3. On Bowing... (Bert Edens) 4. video clip: sumo siting (Jye nigma) 5. Time in rank (Raymond Navarro) 6. Video clips: bunkai (Jye nigma) 7. list back up (Ray) 8. oom yung doe? (Jye nigma) 9. Re: Good Article on Violence (michael tomlinson) 10. RE: Ban the UFC (michael tomlinson) 11. RE: Ban the UFC (michael tomlinson) 12. time in rank and ban the ufc (MSKBEvans@aol.com) 13. ITF Flash News - July 6th, 2006 (TKD-ITF Website) 14. Re: Master Benko (John Chambers) 15. Consultants (Frank Clay) --__--__-- Message: 1 Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2006 22:47:31 -0800 From: Dan Scholten To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Master Dan UFC Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Does someone know what the fighting rules are to UFC competition's? I enjoy watching but with what I know of grappling and pressure points it seems like they miss opportunities to knock our or force a submission that is right there. They seem to go for hitting the points to the back of the head for a knock out but only try when the person is down up against the cage?? Why not try sooner when they are still standing?? why not use more fingers and knuckles in a clinch and why not strike points to the leg on take downs or other points that collapse the legs?? What about eyes, nose and groin?? I enjoyed the series they had on choosing new recruits and dividing them into team competing teams. Thanks Master Dan --__--__-- Message: 2 Date: Sat, 1 Jul 2006 14:08:56 -0700 (PDT) From: Alida D'med Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Hackworth??? To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Please, if you would send to me also - I'm looking into management services for our dojang and had this on my list. I'd like to know all the facts before recommending anything to the KwanJangNim. To dana.terry@squiresacademy.com please? Thank you. Steven Berkowitz wrote: share to data with me, also. No slander, just facts please. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ray" To: Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2006 4:15 PM Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Hackworth??? > > i have a question about this 'Hackworth' and whatever he did. our school > > uses amernational, and i deal with them daily. obviously he has offended > > several people on this listing. will you enlighten me as to what happened. > > Offended several people not just on this list, but all across the US, Canada > and Korea. > > There is much to say about this grandmaster wannabe, but I would rather it > be said to you privately. Hopefully that is ok with you. > > > So folks, please let mike_gregg_d@yahoo.com know via direct email all about > Mister Hackworth. > > > Thanks. > > Ray Terry > rterry@idiom.com > _______________________________________________ > The_Dojang mailing list, 2,100 members > The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource > Standard disclaimers apply > http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.5/377 - Release Date: 6/27/2006 _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list, 2,100 members The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang --__--__-- Message: 3 From: "Bert Edens" To: Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2006 13:56:16 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] On Bowing... Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Greetings, all... Being asked pretty often why we bow in martial arts classes, I thought this was an interesting, but simple, analysis of bowing... Of course, this explanation would probably be more confusing to a neophyte than what it's worth... :) This is courtesy of www.dailyom.com ... **bows** - Bert Edens Springdale, Arkansas --------------------------- July 4, 2006 Greeting The Divine Bowing Bowing is a universal gesture of respect and reverence. In many cultures, it is the predominant form of social greeting, and most religions incorporate it into their rituals of worship. In many cases, bowing signifies not only respect but also an acknowledgment of the shared divinity between the bower and the recipient. Bowing can also be a turning in toward our own divinity when we bow our heads in prayer, contemplation, or meditation. Bows range in form from a slight forward nod of the head to a full body prostration on the ground, and range in meaning from a simple greeting to a complete giving over of the self to the divine. If you have ever bowed or been on the receiving end of a bow, you know that it is different from a handshake or a hug. Bowing has the quality of consciously evoking spirit and conveys a sense of reverence for the people involved. The word "Namaste," which accompanies bowing in yoga, actually translates as "The divine spirit in me acknowledges the divine spirit in you." When we greet one another with this kind of awareness, we can't help but be more conscious that we are deeply connected to one another and to everyone, because this divine spirit resides in all of us. There are simple bows and complicated bows, and subtle variations carry different meanings depending upon where you are, who you are, and a number of other factors. But we can all practice bowing by simply bringing our two hands together in prayer and pressing the thumb side of our hands lightly into our chests. Keeping a long spine, simply bend your head gently down so that you are looking at the tops of your fingers. Close your eyes and breathe consciously, paying homage to your spirit, the same spirit that resides within all of humanity. --__--__-- Message: 4 Date: Sun, 2 Jul 2006 19:39:36 -0700 (PDT) From: Jye nigma To: itf-taekwondo@yahoogroups.com, the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] video clip: sumo siting Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PRb1Rh82Nfk&search=pendulum --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail Beta. --__--__-- Message: 5 Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2006 04:49:14 -0700 From: "Raymond Navarro" To: Subject: [The_Dojang] Time in rank Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Hi all and be blesed. I have been teaching HapKiDo for almost 30 years in the country of Panama and I have discovered that time in rank is not important if you come and go or come to classes veery so often, it is a thing that must be treated as life, keep it up; you see that every one talks of the Black Belt but it is not only come to class but is that the diference in becoming a Black Belt is not how much you tried it is that in this comment is were the answer is: What is the diference in a Black Belt and a White Belt ? That a Black Belt is a White Belt that never gave up. HAP Ramon Navarro HapKiDo SabomNim Song Moo Kwan HapKiDo Panama Republic of Panama Message: 1 Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2006 21:29:38 -0700 From: "Josette LeBlanc" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Re: Time in rank Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Tim, Thank you for your input. Your comments ring true. It must mean something or we wouldn't be pushing ourselves. "the difference between a white belt and a black belt is that the black belt kept coming to class." Josette On 28/06/06, tim walker wrote: > > < belt" is just a name; a rank>> > > Josette: > > A wise man once told me that a black belt was just an attendance award. > I believe the direct quote was (use a Mississippi accent, please), "the > difference between a white belt and a black belt is that the black belt > kept coming to class." > > Don't think it means nothing. Mine means a lot...to me. Mine shouldn't > mean a whole lot to you. > > Just keep coming to class. > > Yours, > > timo > "I LOVE this game!" _____________________________________________________________ Get a web-based email for life now ---> http://mail.hapkidokr.org --__--__-- Message: 6 Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2006 09:37:36 -0700 (PDT) From: Jye nigma To: MartialArtsTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: [The_Dojang] Video clips: bunkai Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aE5wDwE2Mqs&search=bunkai http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xrkUYBQz9iE&search=bunkai http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=alGtTKcgwgU&mode=related&search=bunkai I like this one: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xJhlUFMafkY&search=bunkai --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Get on board. You're invited to try the new Yahoo! Mail Beta. --__--__-- Message: 7 From: Ray To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net (The_Dojang) Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2006 10:45:19 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [The_Dojang] list back up Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I've returned from Hawaii, the Big Island. A good time was had by all. The list is back up and running again. Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 8 Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2006 22:11:52 -0700 (PDT) From: Jye nigma To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] oom yung doe? Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net http://www.oomyungdoe-nw.com/Video/FOX13FMed_Prog001.swf http://www.oomyungdoe-nw.com/Video/CentralFloridaNMed_Prog001.swf http://www.oomyungdoe-nw.com/Video/King_5_SeattleMed_Prog001.swf http://www.oomyungdoe-nw.com/Video/WB18MMed_Prog001.swf http://www.oomyungdoe-nw.com/Video/WTMJ4MMed_Prog001.swf http://www.oomyungdoe-nw.com/Video/WISN12MMed_Prog001.swf http://www.oomyungdoe-nw.com/Video/WESH2FMed_Prog001.swf --------------------------------- How low will we go? Check out Yahoo! Messenger’s low PC-to-Phone call rates. --__--__-- Message: 9 From: "michael tomlinson" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Good Article on Violence Date: Sat, 08 Jul 2006 18:47:07 +0000 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net whew...you "might" be reading a little too much into this..but anywho...good food for thought...personally I'm not big on lamb...but I do love cow, chicken, and venison... Michael Tomlinson >From: "Jim McHie" >Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net >To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net >Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Good Article on Violence >Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2006 11:13:36 -0400 > >I'll reserve some of my comments regarding what I consider to be at >this time a rather politically charged article, and make only this >one: > >>The difference, >>though, is that the sheepdog must not, can not and will not ever harm >>the sheep. Any sheep dog who intentionally harms the lowliest little >>lamb will be punished and removed. > >What should the people who "are" the sheep do when this process fails? >When such "sheep dogs" are not punished or removed? Are the sheep >limited to merely commenting "Baaaaa" in regards to their situation? > >Jim McHie Jr. >_______________________________________________ >The_Dojang mailing list, 2,100 members >The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net >Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource >Standard disclaimers apply >http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang --__--__-- Message: 10 From: "michael tomlinson" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] Ban the UFC Date: Sat, 08 Jul 2006 18:55:46 +0000 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Dakin writes: So if you don't like to sing Kumbayah, is it because you are opposed to >integration or is it because you are anti-God?.... it's simple...I must be the devil or satan...probably both...in purple spandex.... Michael Tomlinson --__--__-- Message: 11 From: "michael tomlinson" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] Ban the UFC Date: Sat, 08 Jul 2006 19:05:50 +0000 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net That was some funny stuff....LOL....and pretty much summed up my personality and life...BUT...you left out 4 wheelin in big trucks with beer....and demolition derby....and school bus figure 8 racing...hey I live in Daytona Beach...everything goes better with some redneck racing.... and that leads me to the original point that this stuff is not going away because I'm sorry folks...as much as people don't like to think about it...it is a part of our human nature....sometimes I wish on those animal channels where they show different species and how they hunt, eat, reproduce, develop the alpha and beta leaders etc...they would actually do one on human beings....if you watch some shows on wolves and insert humans and families into the plot...you can actually see a lot of common denominator behavior and likeness.... Michael Tomlinson ps....I think we are the Romans......seriously.... >From: "Stovall, Craig" >Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net >To: >Subject: [The_Dojang] Ban the UFC >Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2006 14:43:12 -0500 > ><<defense. To ensure that the physically strong can't impose their will >upon the weak. The founder of Taekwondo, General Choi Hong Hi, was >barely 5 feet tall and 110 pounds. He cited as his motivation to learn >martial arts his desire to protect himself from a much larger man who >had threatened to beat him. My point about UFC is that it promotes >violence.>>> > > > >Then let's ban it. Let's also ban everything else that could be >construed as "promoting violence". Here's my list...football (Pee Wee >through Professional), hockey, pick-up basketball games, wrestling, pro >wrestling, steer wrestling, thumb wrestling, dodge ball, boxing, >kickboxing, fencing, Braveheart, Chuck Norris movies, catfight porn, >visits from my mother-in-law, free beer day at baseball games, World Cup >Soccer (I would actually support this...seriously), bull riding, bull >fighting, bull baiting, bull shitting (except at work...it's a >necessity), Tekken, Street Fighter, Mortal Kombat, Halo, Doom, Pac-Man >(ghosts have feelings too), George Bush, Dick Cheney, hunting, hunting >with Dick Cheney, brushback pitches, gangster rap, death metal, Chuck >Zito, rugby, Australian Rules Football, Spike TV, Celebrity Boxing >(unless there's a chance of Vanilla Ice getting pounded again), Punisher >comics, Dragonball Z, Ultimate Muscle, westerns (Roy Rogers included), >track & field (did you know that javelins were weapons), yo-yo's (did >you know that the yo-yo is a weapon), Geraldo Rivera, gun clubs, billy >clubs, guys named Billy who carry guns and clubs, beer, wine, whiskey, >gin, bourbon, rum (but we're keeping Vodka by GAWD cuz you can mix that >shiznit with anything), Mr. T, immigration, war, extramarital affairs, >overtime at the Post Office, and finally...drum roll please...men. >We're full of testosterone and we drive women crazy...and we don't pick >up after ourselves...and we shoot things...and after we shoot things we >eat it...and what we don't eat we turn into wall decorations...and that >whole Peloponnesian War thing, I'm pretty sure men were behind that. >So, sorry guys...your ass has got to GO. >_______________________________________________ >The_Dojang mailing list, 2,100 members >The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net >Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource >Standard disclaimers apply >http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang --__--__-- Message: 12 From: MSKBEvans@aol.com Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2006 15:19:54 EDT To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] time in rank and ban the ufc Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net <<<<<>>>>>> Sid. Why do you care what belt other instructors wear? I have standards at my school. I like them. I don't know or care what standards your school uses. I know I don't want YOU or ANYONE else using my taxpayer dollars to regulate rank at MY school. You guys can all wear pink and purple uniforms and tie little black bows around your Wee Wees and i wont lose no sleep. Just don't create a government agency to tell me I got to do the same. Now for the UFC thing. No one is being forced to fight in those matches. No one is being forced to watch them on TV. This is supposed to be a nation (USA) of LIBERTY. You should be able to do any damn thing you want as long as your not hurting anyone but your self! Long Live whats left of our liberty! Bill Evans --__--__-- Message: 13 From: "TKD-ITF Website" <"http://www.tkd-itf.home.pl/pub/ver_eng/index.html"@kwon.pztkd.lublin .pl> To: wtf-tkd@martialartsresource.com Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2006 18:05:48 +0200 Subject: [The_Dojang] ITF Flash News - July 6th, 2006 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net ========================================================== INTERNATIONAL TAEKWON-DO FEDERATION ITF Flash News - July 6th 2006 ========================================================== BE UP TO DATE ON ITF ACTIONS AND ACTIVITIES Don't miss the first Message of the President on video! For the first time, the ITF President has decided to present the July-August message on the Development of the Knowledge of Taekwon-Do through this new media. Also, don't forget to read the full written version of the message! http://www.tkd-itf.home.pl/pub_web/ver_eng/PMTTQ06072006.html The First Leadership Camp organized by the International Taekwon-Do Federation (ITF) will be attracting more than twenty selected participants coming from ten different countries mostly from Latin America and the Caribbean. http://www.tkd-itf.home.pl/pub_web/ver_eng/ITFA06072006.html Final countdown before the 8th Junior World Championship begins in Tegucigalpa in Honduras… Good luck to all the Junior participants! http://www.8campeonatomundialjuvenil.org/principal.htm Upcoming International Instructors Courses in Oceania: promise of two great events! http://www.itfnz.org.nz/events/seminars/2006_icc/index.html http://www.itfaustralia.com.au/events/iic_aust_06/iic_info.htm. Frequent visits to the ITF Website (http://www.tkd-itf.home.pl/pub_web/ver_eng/index.html) keeps you well informed on ITF. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- http://www.tkd-itf.org ©2005 Contact the webmaster (mailto:tkd-itf@tkd-itf.home.pl) To unsubscribe simply click http://www.tkd-itf.org/Newsletters/index.php?caseid=unregister --__--__-- Message: 14 From: "John Chambers" To: Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Master Benko Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2006 18:36:33 -0400 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I guess there were two James Benko's not related?? One in the 1960s was head master for the Hakkoryu Jujitsu Federation. The other was the one in your reply. Thanks John Chambers ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Chambers" To: Sent: Friday, June 30, 2006 1:03 PM Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Master Benko > Reply: (James Benko) > The was another Jamers Benko in the early 1960s that was head master of > the Hakkoryu Jujitsu Federation in the U.S. > Do you know if this was his father or relative? > > John Chambers > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kevin F. Donohue" > To: > Sent: Thursday, June 29, 2006 10:14 PM > Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] Master Benko > > >> According to Master Benko's Website: >> "Grand Master James S. Benko began learning the Korean mu do (martial >> arts) >> of Tae Kwon Do, Hapkido, and Yu Sool in 1959 from Ki Jun Lee. Grand >> Master >> Lee was one of the first Korean master instructors to come to America, in >> 1957, and introduce these arts in the United States. >> >> >> While in the military Grand Master Benko became a member of the American >> Special Forces, Green Berets. He spent three tours of combat duty in >> Viet >> Nam. While serving in Viet Nam, he worked with the famous Korean "White >> Horse" and "Tiger" divisions, who were known for their bravery and >> aggressiveness in combat. >> >> While serving in Viet Nam, Grand Master Benko taught Tae Kwon Do, >> Hapkido, >> and other Korean mu do (martial arts) to American and Vietnamese military >> personnel, police, and other Green Berets. GM Benko In Viet Nam As a >> Green >> Beret, he often worked closely with the Vietnamese troops and people, >> training them in the use of weapons (see photo to left), village defense, >> and hand-to-hand combat. >> >> It was in Viet Nam that he met two Korean martial arts masters who would >> change the course of his life, Grand Master Yang Hyee and Grand Master >> Won >> Soo Kim. All three became life-long friends who dedicated their lives to >> studying and teaching the martial arts. >> >> Won Soo Kim was the first assistant instructor of the founder of hapkido, >> Choi Yong Sul. Grand Master Kim continued to teach Grand Master Benko, >> hapkido as well as Korean weapons including the Korean "gum" (sword)." >> >> He also goes on to explain that he formed the following organizations: >> >> * World Shim Duk Kwan Hapkido AssociationT founded 1970. >> * International Hapkido FederationT >> founded 1971. >> >> J.R., its a bit strange that he would not mention Hapkido in a 1984 >> article >> when he had been studying Hapkido and Yu Sool since 1959; as well as >> leading >> two major organizations dedicated to Hapkido for 13 to 14 years before >> that >> article was circulated. Did you ever hear about or meet these Korean >> Masters >> during your time in Vietnam? >> >> Kevin F. Donohue >> KHF New York >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: JR West [mailto:hapkido@netdoor.com] >> Sent: Thursday, June 29, 2006 5:29 PM >> To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net >> Subject: [The_Dojang] Master Benko >> >> I have never met Master Benko, but I have an article written by him in >> 1984 >> with regards to his history and training, and he never mentions the word >> "hapkido".......J. R. West www.hapkido.com >> _______________________________________________ >> The_Dojang mailing list, 2,100 members >> The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net >> Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard >> disclaimers apply >> http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang >> _______________________________________________ >> The_Dojang mailing list, 2,100 members >> The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net >> Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource >> Standard disclaimers apply >> http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang > _______________________________________________ > The_Dojang mailing list, 2,100 members > The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource > Standard disclaimers apply > http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang --__--__-- Message: 15 From: "Frank Clay" To: Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2006 20:48:48 -0400 Subject: [The_Dojang] Consultants Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Dave, You said <> This is the dumbest thing I have ever read. I am a consultant by trade in the biotech industry. I am a consultant because I am an expert on FDA cGMP regulations and in developing quality systems necessary to meet Title 21 CFR (Code of Federal Regulations). My job is to help FTEs meet the requirements of the law. Perhaps before making such a generalized statement you should look into it a little more? f. --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang http://the-dojang.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/the_dojang Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and http://MartialArtsResource.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of The_Dojang Digest