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Re: Master Dan Incorrect Certificates and Time in Rank (Josette LeBlanc) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: "Mark Seidel" To: Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] Re: Time in rank give me a break! Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 06:15:33 -0400 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I meant that if we increase the times and lengths of classes exponentially do we reach goals even faster. Master Mark Seidel The Midtown Academy Martial Arts School Special Needs and Exceptional Child Specialist -----Original Message----- From: Christopher Spiller [mailto:chrispillertkd@yahoo.com] Sent: Friday, June 30, 2006 11:23 PM To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: Time in rank give me a break! >>This thread is starting to make me ill; so if a student comes to every class, 6 days a week they could be a Master in let's say 4 years. They no all of the forms, can break four boards, spar well and beat up 5 guys in a bar. Now where is the time developing the mind and spirit now that we rushed the body? Master Mark Seidel The Midtown Academy Martial Arts School Special Needs and Exceptional Child Specialist<< Mr. Seidel, Perhaps I am missing a post in this thread (as I wasn't reading the first few) but I am confused about your comment regarding becoming "a Master in let's say 4 years." Your posting was in reply to Mr. Martin's, in which he had laid out the rank/time guidelines for the ITF, which I reproduce below: Mr. Martin posted: > I know I'm late on the time in rank question. I've enjoyed reading > everyone's response. I found the following interesting and thought I > would share it. Major General Choi Hong Hi published this in his > encyclopedia of Teakwon-Do. > Criteria for Grade and Degree: > For first degree black belt > 1 1/2 hour per day, three days a week -- 30 months > 1 1/2 hour per day, six days per week -- 18 months > 4 hours per day, six day per week -- 12 months In other words, it's possible to achieve a first dan in 12 months *if* you spend 24 hours a week training. In my experience, it's much more common to see people putting in much less time than that (and so their time would increase). Of course, first dan hardly qualifies as being a master. Mr. Martin then said: > 1st to 2nd Dan -- 1.5 years > 2nd to 3rd Dan -- 2 years > 3rd to 4th Dan -- 3 years > 4th to 5th Dan -- 4 years > 5th to 6th Dan -- 5 years > 6th to 7th Dan -- 6 years > 7th to 8th Dan -- 7 years > If a person trains hard, does the stuff, understands what they are > doing, and can demonstrate it -- 1 year to 1st Dan isn't out of the > question. A bigpart of the question is what sort of ability the > student has and what kind of shape they are in. Ultimately, a person > could obtain 7th Dan in the ITF in under 25 years if they worked hard. Mr. Martin doesn't explicitly say so, but in the ITF you're not considered a Master until you hit 7th dan. 25 years is a lot different than 4 years and the way the ITF syllabus is set up you don't actually learn the whole system (at least pattern-wise) until you hit 6th dan. Being promoted to Master at 7th dan is, among other things, indicative that you have, in fact, knowledge of the whole system. I'd also point out that 25 years to 7th dan isn't a given. I know a gentleman who just tested for his 7th with the ITF who has been training for 35 years. Pax, Chris Wherever the Catholic sun doth shine, There's always laughter and good red wine. At least I've always found it so. Benedicamus Domino! -Hilaire Belloc __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com --__--__-- Message: 2 Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 06:53:44 -0700 From: Martin Von Cannon To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] Martial Art SuperShow Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Apparently I missed the memo on this show. Where would I go to be put on a mailing list? - Martin E. Von Cannon Tacoma Dojang Instructor mvoncannon@akdwa.org http://www.akdwa.org Quoting Thomas Gordon : > A quick review and I'm off to bed - I'm beat! > > The last few days hit me on all three levels of martial arts. > > 1 - As a martial art instructor - I trained with the Judo legend Mike > Swain doing both Level 1 & 2 courses. He is an excellent instructor and > his assistant was also a world champion. The Level 2 course only had > four people in it so it was almost like private instruction. This alone > was worth the trip. While in the seminar, Gene LeBell came in and asked > if anyone wanted to be choked out. Some young man volunteered and was > doing the "twitch" in a matter of seconds. There's a reason I'm > suspicious of things that need volunteers.... LOL! > > 2 - As a martial art school owner - Some really good business ideas. > For the seminars I went to, there seems to be a push for simply offering > a quality service for a quality price. In every seminar I attended, > there was mention of not using unethical tactics. It was refreshing and > I'm glad to see it. Yes, we are professionals and need to be paid as > such but not at the risk of competing with the oldest profession. I > also got some good ideas for class drills and the young man was very > enthusiastic. So I walked away with more class ideas and some good > business principles. Definitely got my $249 worth (that was the early > bird entry fee). > > 3 - As a martial arts enthusiast - What can I say? WOW! I got to meet > Chuck Norris, Gene LeBell, Mike Swain, Bill "Superfoot" Wallace, Frank > Shamrock, Bas Rutten, the Machado brothers, Ernie Reyes Sr, Dana White > (UFC), and others that I'm afraid I forgot. UFC61 left a lot to be > desired - no spoilers...just disappointed. > > The Thursday Night Awards banquet was nice - $100 a plate is pretty rich > and I don't feel I got my "money's worth" on that part. But there was > more to it than that but it's rather personal so I'll let it alone. > > The Friday Night Award ceremony with Chuck Norris being recognized was a > lot of fun and very entertaining. The Judo demo by Swain students and > Grand Master Ernie Reyes was fantastic. It was included in the $249 > fee. > > Not going to kid anyone here, total trip was close to $2900 by the time > it was all said and done. Still, worth every penny. Last comment, this > is a must for professional martial artists who want to give better > service to their students. > > Thomas Gordon > Florida --__--__-- Message: 3 From: "ISA Headquarters" To: Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 09:18:09 -0400 Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: KFCI "party" Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net 18 Aug- 19 Aug 2006 Karate for Christ International (KFCI) Dr. Covingtons "Going Away Party" Date: Fri 17 Aug 2006, 5:00-6:00pm Kids Class with Dan "The Beast" Severn, Fee $10 Fri 17 Aug 2006, 7:00-9:00pm Adult Class with Dan "The Beast" Severn, Fee $20 Sat 19 Aug 2006, 8am - 10:30am Kids Class with various instructors, $15 Sat 19 Aug 2006, 8am - 1:00pm Teen/Adult Class with various instructors, $25 Sat 19 Aug 2006, 2-3:30pm Covington family "Going Away" Party (Details to follow) NOTE: ALL PROFITS OF THE CLINICS GO TO ARM FOR THE COVINGTON FAMILIES TRIP TO SOUTH KOREA (All instructors, including Dan "The Beast" Severn are donating their time during this clinic to BLESS the Covington Family!) Where: Academy of Christian Martial Arts 1916 Skibo Rd Suite 210 (Marketfair Mall) Fayetteville, NC 28314 Respectfully, George I. Petrotta ISA Director www.sungjado.org/ isahdq@sc.rr.com -- ---------------------------------------- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter for private users. It has removed 6810 spam emails to date. Paying users do not have this message in their emails. Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len --__--__-- Message: 4 From: "ISA Headquarters" To: Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 09:26:18 -0400 Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: ISA Louisiana Seminar Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I will be headed to Dallas on August 1st for the Seminar with GM In Sun Seo which is on the 5th & 6th of August. On August 2nd, I will be in Kenner, Louisiana to hold a ISA Seminar. All are invited to attend. This will be a 3 hour mini-clinic with the curriculum based on Kukki-Taekwondo and Sungjado Hapkido. Cost will be $25 a head. Location: White Tiger martial Arts Academy 3804 Williams Blvd. Kenner, LA Tele: 1-504-494-5669 Contact: Sabomnim Arthur L. Robertson Respectfully, George I. Petrotta ISA Director www.sungjado.org/ isahdq@sc.rr.com -- ---------------------------------------- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter for private users. It has removed 6810 spam emails to date. Paying users do not have this message in their emails. Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len --__--__-- Message: 5 From: "Joseph Cheavens" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] hoola girls and mai tais Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 09:06:04 -0500 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Ah, but the question would then become whether to open you dojang in Hilo or Kona. Joe Cheavens -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ray Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] need v13.n284.txt Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2006 07:54:14 -0700 (PDT) > Sounds like dreams of Mai Tais, hoola girls, and nice flowery shirts got to > you Ray....Hawaii is awesome bro...must of been a great trip.... Great trip. No Hapkido available there, tho. Maybe a good place to open up a Hapkido dojang... Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list, 2,100 members The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang --__--__-- Message: 6 From: "Gladewater SooBahkDo" To: "the_dojang" Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 07:24:34 -0700 Subject: [The_Dojang] Cat Fights Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Ray That was a great vid of the cats in the cage. Thanks for the laugh JCGet more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com --__--__-- Message: 7 Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 11:22:02 -0400 From: aburrese@aol.com To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: Martial Art Super Show Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Thomas posted about the SuperShow including: I trained with the Judo legend Mike Swain doing both Level 1 & 2 courses. He is an excellent instructor and his assistant was also a world champion. ************************ Thanks for sharing about your experience. Sounds like a great trip. I attended a seminar by Mike Swain one time and agree he is an excellent instructor. Way cool that you got so much time with him. The entire event sounded like a fantastic time. Thanks again for letting us know about it. Alain www.burrese.com For Your Safety - For Your Success ________________________________________________________________________ Check out AOL.com today. Breaking news, video search, pictures, email and IM. All on demand. Always Free. --__--__-- Message: 8 Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 08:30:24 -0700 From: "Kevin Janisse" To: Subject: [The_Dojang] RE: Martial Arts Supershow Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Hello Master Gordon, Glad to hear you had a great time. I agree very pricey but worth it is different ways. It must have been a good investment considering what a shrewd and wise businessman you have become. I look forward to picking your brain in November at the NKMAA Seminar and testing. I would of loved to see Mr. Swain toss you around, that alone would of been worth the money...lol. Were you able to get any video footage? Sincerely, Kevin Janisse NKMAA --__--__-- Message: 9 From: "michael tomlinson" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] hoola girls and mai tais Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 15:30:05 +0000 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Boy wouldn't that be a nice dilemma.... Michael Tomlinson >From: "Joseph Cheavens" >Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net >To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net >Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] hoola girls and mai tais >Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 09:06:04 -0500 > >Ah, but the question would then become whether to open you dojang in Hilo >or Kona. > >Joe Cheavens > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > > From: Ray > Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] need v13.n284.txt > Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2006 07:54:14 -0700 (PDT) > > Sounds like dreams of Mai Tais, hoola girls, and nice flowery > shirts got to > > you Ray....Hawaii is awesome bro...must of been a great trip.... > > Great trip. No Hapkido available there, tho. Maybe a good place to > open > up a Hapkido dojang... > > Ray Terry > rterry@idiom.com > _______________________________________________ > The_Dojang mailing list, 2,100 members > The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource > Standard disclaimers apply > http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang >_______________________________________________ >The_Dojang mailing list, 2,100 members >The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net >Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource >Standard disclaimers apply >http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang --__--__-- Message: 10 Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 08:30:45 -0700 From: "Josette LeBlanc" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Re: certificates with incorrect data Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Well said Melinda. I'm training in Korea, and my name constantly gets misspelled. I'd be a pretty stressed out person if I let that get to me. Until the next certificate my friend, don't sweat it. Josette On 30/06/06, ChunjiDo@aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 6/30/2006 6:29:37 AM Central Standard Time, > the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net writes: > > I do not intend to pay for this mishap so don't you all agree that I > should > be reissued all new certificates with the right data on them at > NO CHARGE? > > --------------------------- > y'know, doug... > > i can see youre angry. yep, you paid for your certification. yep, someone > screwed up. try to remember that everyone is human, including you. > > my first black belt had my name misspelled. i love it. > > i wore it until i earned my next one and still keep it as a reminder of > humility. > > if the training you paid for helped you learn something meaningful, thats > whats important. > > take care, > melinda :) > > > Chajonshim Martial Arts Academy > _www.cjmaa.com_ (http://www.cjmaa.com/) 1.573.673.2769 > Chajonshim Martial Arts Supply > _www.cjmas.com_ (http://www.cjmas.com/) 1.877.847.4072 > _______________________________________________ > The_Dojang mailing list, 2,100 members > The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource > Standard disclaimers apply > http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang > -- "Be formless... shapeless like water. If you put water into a cup, it becomes the cup. You put water into a bottle; it becomes the bottle. You put it into a teapot; it becomes the teapot. Water can flow, and it can crash. Be water, my friend..." - Bruce Lee --__--__-- Message: 11 Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 08:45:48 -0700 From: "Josette LeBlanc" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Master Dan Incorrect Certificates and Time in Rank Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Dan, I would love to be a student at your Dojang. Where do you teach? There is a great need for guidance such as you have demonstrated in this email. Thank you for spreading the respectful nature of martial arts. Respect is more than a bow. It is the respect behind it. Sincerely, Josette On 30/06/06, Dan Scholten wrote: > > To Dug regarding your Gup Certificates; First I hope you have not > approached > your Master Instructor with the anger you so implied in writing or in > person > over such a little thing as your name or Gup Certificate. This is a good > example why time in rank is needed to learn what is really important. > Pieces > of paper, belts, your name?? have no value. Martial Arts is more than > paper, > rank and punches and kicks. Martial Art is like any other Professional > Trade, no Master Tradesman is going to teach what he really knows unless > you > prove your self by hard work, respect, patience's, and most of all loyalty > until then your just a worker bee. > > > > Martial Art has inherent qualities with each style or Kwan that require > time > and maturity to grasp and incorporate into your whole life, personal, work > and martial arts. In my day it took at least 25 years to get to Master > level > and there were no certificates for colored belts in fact nothing until > after > Deputy Black Belt a four month probation and then retest for 1st Dan. Any > attitude such as yours would have been dealt with to include pain or > unconsciousness, mind you nothing damaging but strong enough to make you > think what have I done wrong and what am I to learn from this. This is not > punishment but an attempt to teach and structure behavioral development. > Some people consider themselves to big or important to take the discipline > and leave, that's ok they should unfortunately because of money pressures > the original art is being bastardized for decades now and we have a > country > full of paper tigers who's Dan certificates are as much use in their life > or > on the street as a rubber knife!! > > > > Some Do Jang's or Do Jo's do not care about either the mental development > or > the ability of their students to actually defend themselves and frankly if > you cannot get along with people, keep a job, support yourself and have a > good life you are defensless. This is why kick boxing or non traditional > styles for money only with out indigenous native art and values fail to > develop the whole person. I personally take responsibility for every > student > and see to it that they progress no matter how long it takes or they do > not > progress in rank period and anyone under me will never misuse what I teach > or I will personally hunt them down what ever it takes. > > > > I would hope that your teacher or Master has not had the time or possibly > missed your consideration of self importance but you should consider the > following. > > > > 1. Most Master's have had to work decades to earn their > rank and much of that included much self sacrifice in order for you to > have > the opportunity to learn from them. > > 2. Many Master's donate countless hours and money far > beyond what they receive if anything from their students. > > 3. Many Master's do not have enough help in teaching or > in > administrative functions due to the lack of students not understanding > they > should be helping out of respect and a commitment to serve others. > > > > You should approach your Master with respect and humility and ask if > possible you could have your certificates changed and even ask if he needs > help. That would show good attitude. > > > > In Jido Kwan the main premise is the Indomitable Spirit which loosely > translated means to never give up and that Survival is more important than > wining. Life is not fair, tournaments are not fair, fighting on the street > is not fair. Know what is important. > > > > I watched a white blond lady pull up behind two car loads of black thugs > blocking both lanes where I used to live, the Thugs were talking and could > care less, she started honking and swearing, one of the drivers got out > walked up and blew her brains out, walked back and they finished their > conversation and then drove away. Now she may have thought her need to > drive > that lane right now was important and that she had a right to complain but > she failed to understand that her life was more important and that she was > in a life threatening situation. > > > > Gup certificates mean nothing they should call them Guppies, your life and > what you are learning is more important. If you can become angry of little > things like paper and names then you may one day bite off more that you > can > chew. > _______________________________________________ > The_Dojang mailing list, 2,100 members > The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource > Standard disclaimers apply > http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang > -- "Be formless... shapeless like water. If you put water into a cup, it becomes the cup. You put water into a bottle; it becomes the bottle. You put it into a teapot; it becomes the teapot. Water can flow, and it can crash. Be water, my friend..." - Bruce Lee --__--__-- Message: 12 Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 08:51:24 -0700 From: "Josette LeBlanc" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Master Dan Incorrect Certificates and Time in Rank Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Please let me rephrase that Respect is more than a bow. It is the respect behind it. Respect is more than a bow. Period. Josette On 10/07/06, Josette LeBlanc wrote: > > Dan, > > I would love to be a student at your Dojang. Where do you teach? > > There is a great need for guidance such as you have demonstrated in this > email. Thank you for spreading the respectful nature of martial arts. > > Respect is more than a bow. It is the respect behind it. > > Sincerely, > Josette > > > On 30/06/06, Dan Scholten wrote: > > > > To Dug regarding your Gup Certificates; First I hope you have not > > approached > > your Master Instructor with the anger you so implied in writing or in > > person > > over such a little thing as your name or Gup Certificate. This is a good > > example why time in rank is needed to learn what is really important. > > Pieces > > of paper, belts, your name?? have no value. Martial Arts is more than > > paper, > > rank and punches and kicks. Martial Art is like any other Professional > > Trade, no Master Tradesman is going to teach what he really knows unless > > you > > prove your self by hard work, respect, patience's, and most of all > > loyalty > > until then your just a worker bee. > > > > > > > > Martial Art has inherent qualities with each style or Kwan that require > > time > > and maturity to grasp and incorporate into your whole life, personal, > > work > > and martial arts. In my day it took at least 25 years to get to Master > > level > > and there were no certificates for colored belts in fact nothing until > > after > > Deputy Black Belt a four month probation and then retest for 1st Dan. > > Any > > attitude such as yours would have been dealt with to include pain or > > unconsciousness, mind you nothing damaging but strong enough to make you > > think what have I done wrong and what am I to learn from this. This is > > not > > punishment but an attempt to teach and structure behavioral development. > > > > Some people consider themselves to big or important to take the > > discipline > > and leave, that's ok they should unfortunately because of money > > pressures > > the original art is being bastardized for decades now and we have a > > country > > full of paper tigers who's Dan certificates are as much use in their > > life or > > on the street as a rubber knife!! > > > > > > > > Some Do Jang's or Do Jo's do not care about either the mental > > development or > > the ability of their students to actually defend themselves and frankly > > if > > you cannot get along with people, keep a job, support yourself and have > > a > > good life you are defensless. This is why kick boxing or non traditional > > styles for money only with out indigenous native art and values fail to > > develop the whole person. I personally take responsibility for every > > student > > and see to it that they progress no matter how long it takes or they do > > not > > progress in rank period and anyone under me will never misuse what I > > teach > > or I will personally hunt them down what ever it takes. > > > > > > > > I would hope that your teacher or Master has not had the time or > > possibly > > missed your consideration of self importance but you should consider the > > > > following. > > > > > > > > 1. Most Master's have had to work decades to earn > > their > > rank and much of that included much self sacrifice in order for you to > > have > > the opportunity to learn from them. > > > > 2. Many Master's donate countless hours and money far > > beyond what they receive if anything from their students. > > > > 3. Many Master's do not have enough help in teaching > > or in > > administrative functions due to the lack of students not understanding > > they > > should be helping out of respect and a commitment to serve others. > > > > > > > > You should approach your Master with respect and humility and ask if > > possible you could have your certificates changed and even ask if he > > needs > > help. That would show good attitude. > > > > > > > > In Jido Kwan the main premise is the Indomitable Spirit which loosely > > translated means to never give up and that Survival is more important > > than > > wining. Life is not fair, tournaments are not fair, fighting on the > > street > > is not fair. Know what is important. > > > > > > > > I watched a white blond lady pull up behind two car loads of black thugs > > blocking both lanes where I used to live, the Thugs were talking and > > could > > care less, she started honking and swearing, one of the drivers got out > > walked up and blew her brains out, walked back and they finished their > > conversation and then drove away. Now she may have thought her need to > > drive > > that lane right now was important and that she had a right to complain > > but > > she failed to understand that her life was more important and that she > > was > > in a life threatening situation. > > > > > > > > Gup certificates mean nothing they should call them Guppies, your life > > and > > what you are learning is more important. If you can become angry of > > little > > things like paper and names then you may one day bite off more that you > > can > > chew. > > _______________________________________________ > > The_Dojang mailing list, 2,100 members > > The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net > > Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource > > Standard disclaimers apply > > http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang > > > > > > -- > "Be formless... shapeless like water. If you put water into a cup, it > becomes the cup. You put water into a bottle; it becomes the bottle. You put > it into a teapot; it becomes the teapot. Water can flow, and it can crash. > Be water, my friend..." - Bruce Lee > -- "Be formless... shapeless like water. If you put water into a cup, it becomes the cup. You put water into a bottle; it becomes the bottle. You put it into a teapot; it becomes the teapot. Water can flow, and it can crash. Be water, my friend..." - Bruce Lee --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang http://the-dojang.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/the_dojang Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and http://MartialArtsResource.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of The_Dojang Digest