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Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The Internet's premier discussion forum devoted to Korean Martial Arts. 2,100 members. See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of The_Dojang at http://MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! Today's Topics: 1. Re: most difficult break (jakskru) 2. July 22nd in Austin TX (JR West) 3. RE: UFC and pressure points (Jesse Segovia) 4. A no clue newsreport on MMA (Thomas Gordon) 5. Union City, CA black belt bound for Vietnam (The_Dojang) 6. Re: RE: UFC and pressure points (Steven Berkowitz) 7. Final Fu (Jye nigma) 8. RE: History of dan ranks (Dana Yeagley) 9. GM JR West alive comming back strong (Wayne Watkins) 10. Master Dan re kkw text book (Dan Scholten) 11. Promotion (Sharon Tkach) 12. Re: most difficult break (Joseph Cheavens) 13. RE: July 22nd in Austin TX (Joseph Cheavens) 14. RE: RE: UFC and pressure points (Joseph Cheavens) 15. RE: Master Dan re kkw text book (Joseph Cheavens) 16. Re: most difficult break (Markus Michalek) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: "jakskru" To: Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] most difficult break Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 00:58:19 -0400 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net the most difficult break for me was an approximately 5/8" thick flat rock about 12" dia. i found in a riverbed while hiking...with a hammerfist no less. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jye nigma" To: Sent: Monday, July 17, 2006 11:59 AM Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] most difficult break > the most difficult break I had was breaking a piece of a board I had already broken. > > Jye > > > freddie bishop wrote: > The most difficult break I had to do was a spinning > hook kick through a 1" board! > > Fred > > > > __________________________________________ > Yahoo! DSL - Something to write home about. > Just $16.99/mo. or less. > dsl.yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > The_Dojang mailing list, 2000 members > The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource > Standard disclaimers apply > http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang > > > > --------------------------------- > Talk is cheap. Use Yahoo! Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great rates starting at 1¢/min. > _______________________________________________ > The_Dojang mailing list, 2,100 members > The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource > Standard disclaimers apply > http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang --__--__-- Message: 2 From: "JR West" To: "Dojang Digest" Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 03:32:59 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] July 22nd in Austin TX Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I am certainly looking forward to being in Austin, TX this weekend. I will be accompanied by Master Dex Mangum, Master Inst. Wayne Watkins, Dr. Dave Collipp, Mr. Todd Williams, and of course Mr. Ricky "crap, I'm gonna die!" Thornburgh. We are all looking forward to Master Jason Thomas' hospitality as well as seeing many old friends and meeting a few new ones. I know that Master Hodder from Houston will be there, as will Ms. Kat Kelly, and Master Don Kirsch from Dallas-Ft. Worth. Most of you know that I underwent surgery less than two weeks ago, but I can guarantee that between the group I am bringing and myself, you will MORE than get your money's worth. I hope to see you there........J. R. West www.hapkido.com --__--__-- Message: 3 Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 07:43:20 -0400 (GMT-04:00) From: Jesse Segovia To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net, the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] RE: UFC and pressure points Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net "Rick Clark" wrote: >If you were to be struck on the Gall Bladder meridian it may be more >effective or dangerous because you are missing your gall bladder. Just >as a strike to someone with a heart problem may be more dangerous to the >heart meridian. Yes, and a heart meridian strike to someone missing a heart is ALWAYS fatal. :) Jesse --__--__-- Message: 4 Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 08:16:38 -0500 (CDT) From: "Thomas Gordon" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] A no clue newsreport on MMA Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net http://durantdemocrat.com/articles/2006/07/17/sports/sports_columnists/sport03.txt If that get's broken, the shortened URL is http://snipurl.com/tfbf This guy goes on about "no-holds barred" and how MMA (such as Pride & UFC) should be unified...like professional boxing no less. LOL! Yeah, right. The UFC of today has a lot of rules compared to the early UFC fights. Then he goes on to disuss how UFC is ran more like professional wrestling. I don't know, but somehow I don't really want Don King running UFC or WWE/WWF screen writers getting their hands on UFC fights. Lastly, I didn't do an actual head count when we attened the last UFC but I'd imagine about 1 out of 5 were women. Maybe he's right, perhaps 1 out of 10. Still not too bad for a contact sport. Thomas Gordon Florida Mixed martial arts could grow with some credibility Beau Simmons While no one has asked me to, or even suggested it, I've come up with some ideas to add credibility to the top level of mixed martial arts. For some reason, I'm starting to get into it. No, not actually get into, as in compete (it looks like it would hurt). Get into it, as in starting to dig it, become more interested. I'll try to explain this thing. Mixed martial arts is sort of the generic term for the no-holds barred, fighting sport which gets most attention from brands Ultimate Fighting Championship and Pride. That's really part of the problem, and my main concern. The UFC has sort of become like Band-Aid. People ask for Band-Aids for minor scrapes rather than asking for an adhesive bandage. MMA is less recognizable than the brand UFC. The sport has gained legitimacy, but lacks credibility. It took a big step in popularity, when UFC president Dana White took over and added things like timed rounds, and judge's decision if no knockout, technical knockout or submission decided the fight. Pride, another organization followed on the coattails of UFC. With two completely separate organizations, recognizing their own title belts, it becomes harder to give individual fighters the star power that could make MMA even more popular. While boxing is unified, meaning the Heavyweight champion of the world, is at that time recognized as the best fighter in the world, MMA is driven by each organization. It's run more like professional wrestling. For the sport to grow it has to be unified. One title holder for each weight class. A ranking system has to be put in place, so people can determine who has the right to a title shot. Not that the rankings are all too legitimate in boxing. Popularity and which fights drive the most ticket sales and ratings, still determines most matchups in boxing, and that's not likely to change. A major problem now, is that a UFC fighter loses his belt if he takes a contract with Pride. There's no way to determine which of the fighters, especially the light heavyweight, which is saturated with the best fighters, is on top of the sport. I know none of that is likely to happen, because it most likely means that the stockholders for each organization would lose money. The only thing worse than getting hit in the chin, is getting hit in the wallet. The attraction is there. With little publicity the Choctaw Coliseum had a good audience for its first mixed martial arts bouts held a few months ago. Sure the place was about 90 percent dudes, and I'd be surprised if many women have made it this far into the column. If you have congratulations, you've earned elite status in my book. That young, male audience is, however, the most sought after by the advertising industry. MMA could grow, but its going to take a dose of credibility to do so. --__--__-- Message: 5 Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 06:54:28 -0700 From: The_Dojang To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Union City, CA black belt bound for Vietnam Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Teen to represent U.S. in tae kwon do Union City black belt bound for Vietnam By Linh Tat InsideBayArea.com UNION CITY — While some teens spend hours at the mall shopping for the perfect belt to accessorize their outfit, Jade Lopez has already found one that works for her. It's a belt she's worn for the past three years. A belt that was not easily won. A belt that only the quick and strong get to wear. A martial artist with a black belt, Lopez, 15, leaves today for Colorado, where she will practice at the Olympic Training Center. On Friday, the American team will head to the sixth World Junior Taekwondo Championships in Ho Chi MinhCity, Vietnam. "I'm nervous to go out of the country — unfamiliar foods, weather, ... but for the most part, I'm excited," said the Union City teen, who has never visited Vietnam. Because Asian countries have different fighting styles, it will be interesting to observe how other athletes move, she said. "It's good to experience that," said Lopez, who will compete against other light middleweight girls in her age group. Her goal for the upcoming competition is simply to push herself harder than before. It will be Lopez's second year representing the United States at an international competition. Last year she placed second at the Junior Pan-Am Taekwondo Championships in Aruba. The taste of victory is not new for Lopez, who enrolled in her first tae kwon do class at age 6. She's been crowned junior national champion five times since age 7, including this year. She also took gold at last year's Philippine national championship, in which she was invited to compete. "I just love the intensity, and I love the feeling of getting a point. The intensity just pumps me up every time I get into the ring. I love winning," said Lopez, whose role model is American Steven Lopez, a two-time Olympian in tae kwon do (no relation to the Union City teen). As for rising to the top of her game in what is a male-dominated sport — only 29 percent of the athletes registered with USA Taekwondo are females, according to a spokesman for the association — Lopez embraces the idea of being a role model to other women. "It actually inspires me to want to practice harder so that when it's time for me to step in the rings, I can perform to my full potential," she said. "It makes me feel really proud to be a woman." Winning has come at a price for the Logan High School student, one involving sweat, toil and pain. She practices 21/2hours a night, five nights a week, and according to her father is fighting through an ankle injury suffered during a practice. Until the world championships are over, Lopez can only nurse the injury with ice or heating pads. But Lopez is no stranger to pain. She has a permanent dent on her right shin, which she bruised about three years ago during a competition. "It's tough when you see (your child) in pain," said her father, Pedro Lopez. "But she understands pain is part of it. Every sport has its drawback. You have to accept it." The 5-foot-7, 126-pound athlete puts it another way: "Your body gets immune to it and you learn to handle pain more. It's really mental," she said. --__--__-- Message: 6 From: "Steven Berkowitz" To: Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] RE: UFC and pressure points Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 07:12:08 -0700 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I'm considering group therapy since I've been missing my gall bladder so much......................... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jesse Segovia" To: ; Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2006 4:43 AM Subject: [The_Dojang] RE: UFC and pressure points > "Rick Clark" wrote: > >If you were to be struck on the Gall Bladder meridian it may be more > >effective or dangerous because you are missing your gall bladder. Just > >as a strike to someone with a heart problem may be more dangerous to the > >heart meridian. > > Yes, and a heart meridian strike to someone missing a heart is ALWAYS fatal. > > :) > > Jesse > _______________________________________________ > The_Dojang mailing list, 2,100 members > The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource > Standard disclaimers apply > http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.10.1/390 - Release Date: 7/17/2006 --__--__-- Message: 7 Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 08:00:27 -0700 (PDT) From: Jye nigma To: "csemt-serrada_escrima@yahoogroups.com" , "itf-taekwondo@yahoogroups.com" , "MartialArtsTalk@yahoogroups.com" , "martialstudies@yahoogroups.com" , "ninjutsu@yahoogroups.com" , "shaolindo2@yahoogroups.com" , "shaolinkungfu@yahoogroups.com" , "the_dojang@martialartsresource.net" , "tonbokaidojos@yahoogroups.com" Subject: [The_Dojang] Final Fu Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net has anyone seen the show on mtv2 called the final fu? I think it's a creation of the Reyes family as in Ernie Reyes Jr. who is the host of the show. I can appreciate the idea for a different martial art show, but it's a little corny to me. Then when you get to the fighting portion, the rules are no striking to the head (including kicking), points for kicking, punching, and spin kicking to the body. The highest points awarded are for jump spin kicks to the body. It's really bad! the first fight I saw was a shorei ryu karate guy versus TKD guy...I don't know how the tkd guy won, but he was horrible...lol. here's the website: http://www.finalfu.com/ --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail Beta. --__--__-- Message: 8 From: "Dana Yeagley" To: Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 10:47:41 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] RE: History of dan ranks Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I have always heard that originally there were only seven black belt ranks recognized in the Korean arts, and up to ten in the Japanese arts. This may have been covered before, but can anyone verify/refute this claim? If true, then why were other ranks added to the Korean systems? For political reasons? Bragging rights? Thanks, Dana - a humble beginner -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.10.1/390 - Release Date: 7/17/2006 --__--__-- Message: 9 Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 11:14:20 -0500 From: "Wayne Watkins" To: Subject: [The_Dojang] GM JR West alive comming back strong Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net GM west is back at school on a limited activity basis. He and 5 of his mutants will be heading to Austin, Texas to put on an all day seminar Saturday at the North Austin TKD Academy as a guest of Master Jason Thomas, 5th dan. Many areas of techniques will be covered along with re-enforcement and application of basic motion. For more information, contact Master Thomas at (512) 331-5326 or at jthomas@natkd.com When we did the seminar last year we made the DVD that had been selling all over and got such a great review http://home.att.net/~erik.mann/jrwhs05.htm We hope to see all our old friends and make some new ones. Wayne Watkins --__--__-- Message: 10 Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 08:58:11 -0800 From: Dan Scholten To: martialscience64@bellsouth.net Cc: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Master Dan re kkw text book Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Greg, Go to Mykick.com go to the sales department and contact Jin but you will find the book and DVD on their website under educational, I will pull and insert a link directly you can try, I have a whole sale account but the book and DVD sell at only retail. Mykick.com is the official supplier to USTKD and Vision trade mark from Korea http://www.mykick.com/user/item.php?grcd=70033 Please let me know if this works for you and post it on the digest if possible -----Original Message----- From: martialscience64@bellsouth.net [mailto:martialscience64@bellsouth.net] Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2006 6:50 AM To: masterdan@gci.net Subject: Sir, where exactly did you receive the 2006 WTF KKW manual? Thanks Greg Hindley martialscience64@bellsouth.net --__--__-- Message: 11 From: "Sharon Tkach" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 11:08:38 -0700 Subject: [The_Dojang] Promotion Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Congratulations to DD member Steve Petermann on his recent promotion to 7th degree in Jang Mu Hapkido by Grandmaster Chong S. Kim! ~Sharon --__--__-- Message: 12 From: "Joseph Cheavens" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] most difficult break Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 13:17:49 -0500 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net 4 boards with a flying back kick for my 2nd gup test. It wasn't hard to break the boards so much as hard to hit the 1' x 1' board with a flying back kick. On the third try, I finally hit the center and they snapped like dry cracker. Joe Cheavens -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "jakskru" Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net To: Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] most difficult break Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 00:58:19 -0400 the most difficult break for me was an approximately 5/8" thick flat rock about 12" dia. i found in a riverbed while hiking...with a hammerfist no less. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jye nigma" To: Sent: Monday, July 17, 2006 11:59 AM Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] most difficult break > the most difficult break I had was breaking a piece of a board I had already broken. > > Jye > > > freddie bishop wrote: > The most difficult break I had to do was a spinning > hook kick through a 1" board! > > Fred > > > > __________________________________________ > Yahoo! DSL - Something to write home about. > Just $16.99/mo. or less. > dsl.yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > The_Dojang mailing list, 2000 members > The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource > Standard disclaimers apply > http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang > > > > --------------------------------- > Talk is cheap. Use Yahoo! Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great rates starting at 1¢/min. > _______________________________________________ > The_Dojang mailing list, 2,100 members > The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource > Standard disclaimers apply > http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list, 2,100 members The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang --__--__-- Message: 13 From: "Joseph Cheavens" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] July 22nd in Austin TX Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 13:21:51 -0500 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Glad to hear you're feeling better and are up and around. Be sure to bring a fan and plenty of sunscreen with you. Its hotter than all get out here right now. I'm sorry I won't be able to attend, since a friend of mine is getting married that day. Joe Cheavens -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "JR West" Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net To: "Dojang Digest" Subject: [The_Dojang] July 22nd in Austin TX Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 03:32:59 -0500 I am certainly looking forward to being in Austin, TX this weekend. I will be accompanied by Master Dex Mangum, Master Inst. Wayne Watkins, Dr. Dave Collipp, Mr. Todd Williams, and of course Mr. Ricky "crap, I'm gonna die!" Thornburgh. We are all looking forward to Master Jason Thomas' hospitality as well as seeing many old friends and meeting a few new ones. I know that Master Hodder from Houston will be there, as will Ms. Kat Kelly, and Master Don Kirsch from Dallas-Ft. Worth. Most of you know that I underwent surgery less than two weeks ago, but I can guarantee that between the group I am bringing and myself, you will MORE than get your money's worth. I hope to see you there........J. R. West www.hapkido.com _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list, 2,100 members The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang --__--__-- Message: 14 From: "Joseph Cheavens" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] RE: UFC and pressure points Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 13:22:51 -0500 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I need to be extra careful, then, since I have been accused of being heartless. ;-) Joe Cheavens -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jesse Segovia Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net, the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] RE: UFC and pressure points Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 07:43:20 -0400 (GMT-04:00) "Rick Clark" wrote: >If you were to be struck on the Gall Bladder meridian it may be more >effective or dangerous because you are missing your gall bladder. Just >as a strike to someone with a heart problem may be more dangerous to the >heart meridian. Yes, and a heart meridian strike to someone missing a heart is ALWAYS fatal. :) Jesse _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list, 2,100 members The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang --__--__-- Message: 15 From: "Joseph Cheavens" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] Master Dan re kkw text book Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 14:45:54 -0500 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I hope they've improved the "History" chapter over the issue that I have. The "History" in the one that I have (c. 1999) is the typical "Ancient Korean Art Handed Down in Unbroken Succession from Koguryu and Silla Dynasty and Practiced in Secret During Japanese Occupation" malarky. Joe Cheavens -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Dan Scholten Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net To: martialscience64@bellsouth.net CC: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Master Dan re kkw text book Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 08:58:11 -0800 Greg, Go to Mykick.com go to the sales department and contact Jin but you will find the book and DVD on their website under educational, I will pull and insert a link directly you can try, I have a whole sale account but the book and DVD sell at only retail. Mykick.com is the official supplier to USTKD and Vision trade mark from Korea http://www.mykick.com/user/item.php?grcd=70033 Please let me know if this works for you and post it on the digest if possible -----Original Message----- From: martialscience64@bellsouth.net [mailto:martialscience64@bellsouth.net] Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2006 6:50 AM To: masterdan@gci.net Subject: Sir, where exactly did you receive the 2006 WTF KKW manual? Thanks Greg Hindley martialscience64@bellsouth.net _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list, 2,100 members The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang --__--__-- Message: 16 From: Markus Michalek Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] most difficult break Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 22:05:10 +0200 To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net hello everyone, my most difficult break was a jump an perform three kicks, apchagi, apchagi, dollyochagi without touching the ground in between. It was difficult but i managed at the third time, i tried. lucky, the board was only 2 cm, which is not yet one inch (2,5 cm) and size 30 x 30. But i want to try maybe a fourth kick after the dollyo, maybe a dwitchagi, before reaching the ground again. Markus Am 18.07.2006 um 20:17 schrieb Joseph Cheavens: > 4 boards with a flying back kick for my 2nd gup test. It wasn't > hard to > break the boards so much as hard to hit the 1' x 1' board with a > flying > back kick. On the third try, I finally hit the center and they snapped > like dry cracker. > > Joe Cheavens > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > > From: "jakskru" > Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > To: > Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] most difficult break > Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 00:58:19 -0400 > the most difficult break for me was an approximately 5/8" thick flat > rock > about 12" dia. i found in a riverbed while hiking...with a > hammerfist > no > less. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jye nigma" > To: > Sent: Monday, July 17, 2006 11:59 AM > Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] most difficult break > >> the most difficult break I had was breaking a piece of a board I > had > already broken. >> >> Jye >> >> >> freddie bishop wrote: >> The most difficult break I had to do was a spinning >> hook kick through a 1" board! >> >> Fred >> >> >> >> __________________________________________ >> Yahoo! DSL - Something to write home about. >> Just $16.99/mo. or less. >> dsl.yahoo.com >> _______________________________________________ >> The_Dojang mailing list, 2000 members >> The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net >> Copyright 1994-2005: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource >> Standard disclaimers apply >> http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang >> >> >> >> --------------------------------- >> Talk is cheap. Use Yahoo! Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. > Great > rates starting at 1¢/min. >> _______________________________________________ >> The_Dojang mailing list, 2,100 members >> The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net >> Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource >> Standard disclaimers apply >> http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang > _______________________________________________ > The_Dojang mailing list, 2,100 members > The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource > Standard disclaimers apply > http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang > _______________________________________________ > The_Dojang mailing list, 2,100 members > The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource > Standard disclaimers apply > http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang http://the-dojang.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/the_dojang Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and http://MartialArtsResource.com Standard disclaimers apply. 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