Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 02:59:46 -0700 From: the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: The_Dojang digest, Vol 13 #301 - 6 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: kma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: The Internet's premier discussion forum on Korean Martial Arts. 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Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The Internet's premier discussion forum devoted to Korean Martial Arts. 2,100 members. See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of The_Dojang at http://MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! Today's Topics: 1. Re: final fu (ChunjiDo@aol.com) 2. Re: Promotion (Ray) 3. Re: Promotion (michael tomlinson) 4. Re: RE: History of dan ranks (Ray) 5. RE: RE: History of dan ranks (Rick Clark) 6. RE: Most Difficult Break (Greenbrier Tae Kwon Do Academy) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: ChunjiDo@aol.com Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 18:29:17 EDT To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: final fu Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net In a message dated 7/18/2006 3:30:09 PM Central Standard Time, the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net writes: The highest points awarded are for jump spin kicks to the body. It's really bad! the first fight I saw was a shorei ryu karate guy versus TKD guy...I don't know how the tkd guy won, but he was horrible...lol. here's the website: ------------------------ lol...i was wondering this as well. BUT, considering its tv and we probably didnt see 100% of the fight, there mightve been something i missed. the shorei ryu guy shouldve won, IMHO. its a fun concept. will be interesting to see what all they have to do. i imagine the limitations on head strikes/kicks has to do more with insurance than anything else. take care, melinda :) Chajonshim Martial Arts Academy _www.cjmaa.com_ (http://www.cjmaa.com/) 1.573.673.2769 Chajonshim Martial Arts Supply _www.cjmas.com_ (http://www.cjmas.com/) 1.877.847.4072 --__--__-- Message: 2 From: Ray Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Promotion To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 14:38:09 -0700 (PDT) Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > Congratulations to DD member Steve Petermann on his recent promotion to 7th > degree in Jang Mu Hapkido by Grandmaster Chong S. Kim! Wow! Big time congrats to Master Peterman! Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 3 From: "michael tomlinson" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Promotion Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 00:15:59 +0000 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Congratulations to Master Petermann on his recent promotion to 7th dan....Jang Mu Hapkido is definately alive and kicking on the west coast...great bunch of Hapkido Players....good luck and happy training to all my Jang Mu brothers and sisters.... Michael Tomlinson >From: Ray >Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net >To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net >Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Promotion >Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 14:38:09 -0700 (PDT) > > > Congratulations to DD member Steve Petermann on his recent promotion to >7th > > degree in Jang Mu Hapkido by Grandmaster Chong S. Kim! > >Wow! Big time congrats to Master Peterman! > >Ray Terry >rterry@idiom.com >_______________________________________________ >The_Dojang mailing list, 2,100 members >The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net >Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource >Standard disclaimers apply >http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang --__--__-- Message: 4 From: Ray Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] RE: History of dan ranks To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 17:11:50 -0700 (PDT) Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > I have always heard that originally there were only seven black belt ranks > recognized in the Korean arts, and up to ten in the Japanese arts. This may > have been covered before, but can anyone verify/refute this claim? If true, > then why were other ranks added to the Korean systems? For political > reasons? Bragging rights? I think Shotokan used to only have five dan ranks. Several of the Korean Karate Kwan founders studied Shotokan, so... Not sure what that has to do anything, but there it is. :) I personally have not heard of Korean arts every having only seven day ranks. They do/used-to only have nine, but that also seems to be changing with time. Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 5 Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 20:41:18 -0400 From: "Rick Clark" Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] RE: History of dan ranks To: Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Hi Ray, >I personally have not heard of Korean arts every having only seven day ranks. They do/used-to only have nine, but that also >seems to be changing with time. > >Ray Terry Can't let the Japanese/Okinawans have 10 dan ranks and out rank even the highest ranked Korean :-) I always thought it was a bit "odd" that for years the Koreans used brown belts - but changed to red - red being a 10th dan in Japanese / Okinawan styles. I went along with the change for a while but had Wally Jay in my school and he went up to one of my "red" belts and said something like "oh you're a red belt too". The next day I went back to brown belts in my club. Rick --__--__-- Message: 6 From: "Greenbrier Tae Kwon Do Academy" To: "Dojang Digest" Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 22:11:16 -0400 Subject: [The_Dojang] RE: Most Difficult Break Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Markus Michalek said: "my most difficult break was a jump an perform three kicks, apchagi, apchagi, dollyochagi without touching the ground in between. It was difficult but i managed at the third time, i tried. lucky, the board was only 2 cm, which is not yet one inch (2,5 cm) and size 30 x 30. But i want to try maybe a fourth kick after the dollyo, maybe a dwitchagi, before reaching the ground again." Now, my question is....why? NO disrespect intended at all towards you or anyone else who chooses to attempt such breaks but from my experience over the years I would say you practice WTF TKD, or something in that ballpark. They are the only ones I know that break with techniques like that. Multiple jumping kicks during one jump, 720 degree kicks(2 complete spins while airborne), etc. But why?? Because it looks cool? Because it makes the crowd who is watching go "Whoooaaaaa, dude, that was awesome...."? OR is it personal satisfaction? It would be interesting for everyone who replies to this thread to give their answer and then state what "style" of TKD they practice, either ITF or WTF. Or I guess for that matter GTF and whatever other kind of "...Fs" are out there these days. Yes, the high flying/multiple kick/mulitple spin breaks DO look cool. BUT TKD's intent is to teach POWER and the philosophy of "one shot, one kill"; one strike should end the fight. Breaking should test the student's ability of realistic techniques that can be applied in combat/self-defense. I teach my students that breaking should build confidence in your ability to use that particular technique to it's full powerful potential. So, can you be confident that you can jump up in the air and take out 3 and even 4 opponents(who were dumb enough to stand that close together)without hitting the ground?? My test to anyone who performs such breaks: Do the break mentioned by Markus. THEN break 4 or 5 1"(not the popularized 2 cm or 1/4" boards by the WTF) with a ridgehand (unspaced of course). Which was more difficult? Again, NO disrespect intended. I am sure Markus' ability is very good and I would like to see video of his break if he completes it with the additional dwichagi. I'm sure I would give him a "Dude!.....)You know the rest.. By the way, MY most difficult break was my very first break as a white belt. Not knowing what it was going to feel like. Not knowing what was going to happen. A simple downward hammerfist strike on one board to a clueless and inexperienced student. THAT was my hardest break. James Morgan GTKDA --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang http://the-dojang.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/the_dojang Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and http://MartialArtsResource.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of The_Dojang Digest