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Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The Internet's premier discussion forum devoted to Korean Martial Arts. 2,100 members. See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of The_Dojang at http://MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! Today's Topics: 1. RE: Micheal Atamiam (George Peters) 2. RE: Hapkido Instructor (Woodard Brian (ChP/TEF8)) 3. RE: Master West in Austin (Joseph Cheavens) 4. First MMA fight...the experience, the lessons, the aftermath. (Stovall, Craig) 5. RE: First MMA fight...the experience, the lessons, the aftermath. (Kay Ethier at Above and Beyond Learning) 6. RE: Best Breaks (Bert Edens) 7. Re: First MMA fight...the experience, the lessons, the aftermath. (Thomas Gordon) 8. RE: First MMA fight...the experience, the lessons, the aftermath. (Joseph Cheavens) 9. Re: Master Dan need ring and scoring info (Damian Adams) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: "George Peters" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2006 00:27:59 -0400 Subject: [The_Dojang] RE: Micheal Atamiam Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Good Sir, And just what is wrong, Sir,with a good "chop socky" movie? Respectfully, George --__--__-- Message: 2 Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] Hapkido Instructor Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2006 08:07:29 -0400 From: "Woodard Brian (ChP/TEF8)" To: Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Charleston SC. Best Regards, Brian D. Woodard -----Original Message----- From: John Chambers [mailto:professorjohn@tampabay.rr.com] Sent: Friday, July 21, 2006 8:03 PM To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Hapkido Instructor Brian: Where do you live? John Chambers ----- Original Message ----- From: "Woodard Brian (ChP/TEF8)" To: Sent: Friday, July 21, 2006 2:49 PM Subject: [The_Dojang] Hapkido Instructor >I am going to be going to a Hapkido instructor next week. I have only > seen short videos and what I have read on the digest when it comes to > Hapkido. Do you have any suggestions on what to look for when it comes > to Hapkido instruction? This guy does not have any students that he > teaches regularly. I just happened to come across him via other MA > schools and I am thinking of asking him to take me on as a student. > Thoughts? > > Best Regards, > Brian Woodard > _______________________________________________ > The_Dojang mailing list, 2,100 members > The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource > Standard disclaimers apply > http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list, 2,100 members The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang --__--__-- Message: 3 From: "Joseph Cheavens" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] Master West in Austin Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2006 07:59:53 -0500 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I'm glad it went well and regret not being able to attend. Hopefully, Master West and his band of merry mutants had a good enough time in Austin to come back again next year. Joe Cheavens -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net To: Subject: [The_Dojang] Master West in Austin Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2006 20:03:54 -0500 What a fantastic day today! It was great to see (Grand) Master West and his band of traveling mutants in Austin. Master Thomas as always was a fantastic host. Thank you very much to Master Dexter Mangum, Master Instructor Wayne Watkins, Dr. Dave Collup (sp?), Mr. Todd "the toad" Williams and Mr. Ricky Thornberg for all your help and friendship. I am looking forward to seeing you all in Jackson this September for another fantastic Jackson get together. GM West as always you are a fantastic teacher and I am proud to be your student. Kat _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list, 2,100 members The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang --__--__-- Message: 4 Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2006 09:52:24 -0500 From: "Stovall, Craig" To: Subject: [The_Dojang] First MMA fight...the experience, the lessons, the aftermath. Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Please take the following post in the spirit of humility with which it is written. I just wanted to use the digest to share an experience with my friends here, as well as explore some thoughts and feelings that I'm taking away from the event. I made my MMA debut this past Saturday night. The original plan was for me to go to the show in order to corner my training partner in his debut fight, as well as coach some of the other guys we are affiliated with. Well, I got the call about 3:30 on Friday. Turns out that one of the fighters was AWOL, and they decided to get an alternate lined up...yours truly. I thought about it for a few seconds. Took a personal inventory...35 years old, wife, 3 kids, good job, brain and spine in good working order. Sure...why not!!! My only question was what weight I needed to come in at...between 186 and 205. Not a problem. So, I said I'd do it, and that was that. The lead up to the fight could not have gone worse. First off, taking a fight on short notice is never a good idea. On top of that, I was going to be coming in at the bottom of the weight class (188 lbs). On top of THAT, I came down with some mild food poisoning on Friday night. I might have gotten about 3 hours sleep. And on top of THAT, I had a prior commitment to go to the zoo on Saturday morning to walk around in the heat and look at pandas. Great!!! Not a problem, right? So, we made the drive up that night and sure enough the guy didn't show. I'm no longer an alternate...I'm in the show! Turns out the guy I'm fighting is 6'2" and weighs 205. Nice!!! Two inches taller and 17 pounds heavier. Luckily I'm fight number 10 on a 13 fight card. That gives me some time to watch some fights, get my mind right, and warm up. Game plan was to stay on the feet. The guy wasn't exactly great on the ground, but the idea was to try and keep it on the feet where everyone knew I had a huge edge. Simple. Simple enough to screw it up. My pre-fight psyche job was pretty intense. Haven't been in that "special little place" for quite some time, but it felt good. On edge, but no butterflies. Fast and loose. Round one starts and I decided I'm going to try and end things quick. I break my own rule that I preach to everyone (use hands to set up the big kicks), and I fire off straight with a rear leg thai kick to his lead leg. It hits solid and bites deep, but unfortunately he didn't crumple like I had wanted. He half catches the leg and forces a clinch. Like a dummy I fail to create space and get sucked into a standing grapple. I go for the guillotine as we go to the ground and I'm able to pull half guard. He slips out of the guillotine (he had one arm in), and it turns out he's a little stronger than I expected. I clamp him down and start thinking about setting up the half guard sweep, and then decide to do something REALLY stupid. He starts his pass and I hip bump him hard as I shoulder roll out of the half guard and end up in turtle position. He begins trying to insert his own guillotine, but I'm able to fight him off and remain calm. This is well traveled territory for me. I finally decide that anything is better than this (he's starting to put in some shots to my ribs at this point), and I'm able to sit back and get the full guard. I tried to set-up a sweep but he was pretty well based out. I almost got an arm triangle choke set-up, but he sensed it and pulled out of it. The rest of the round was spent with him punching me in the ribs and trying to elbow me in the chest. I clamped down and defended, but could never get my offense back on track. The horn sounds and we get up. I'm very disappointed so far. This is not what I had planned, and this is not what my friends had expected to see from me. It's times like this when you have to reach down. My corner was cool as a cucumber. They didn't see any problems. The guy was gassing a little and I was still on a full tank. They really didn't see any way he could submit me, so things would be fine even if it went back down. He looked right at me and told me to do what I do best...box. Just box this guy. One round down and two more to go. I decided right then and there in that corner that round two was going to be different. The second round begins and he comes straight into me with his hands up high. It was like time stood still. I closed the gap quick and stepped straight in with a flicker jab to gauge the range. Something inside me sensed the range was good and I followed the jab with a short, right cross that went straight down the pipe. Pop! The contact was good and I was able to sit down on it just a little bit. He got rocked back on his heels, and I quickly pedaled off of him to avoid the clinch and created a huge space between us. I was not going to the ground again. He charged back and I stepped right into his centerline. They say I threw the jab again but I don't remember. All I remember is being in his chest as my short right hand went back down the pipe and turned his head. He rocked back on his heels and dropped to his knees. I immediately sprawled on top of him, and pancaked him onto his back as I took the full mount. He would later complain that the fight was stopped too soon, but hands straight out to the side is not a good position from which to defend the mount. He was out if only for a moment. I immediately got head and arm control to finish with an Ezekial choke or arm triangle, but the ref had seen enough (God bless him). I think it ended about 20 seconds into the second round. TKO. It felt good. It felt good to have my hand raised in victory. It felt good to have my friends and training partners hug me afterwards and tell me that they were proud of me. It just felt good to get in there and sacrifice a little skin and ego for the sport that I love. More importantly...I learned something about myself. There was a time in my life when I would have packed it in after that first round. I had all the excuses necessary...didn't train for this fight, took it on short notice, up all night with nausea, guy was way bigger, etc. I could have packed it in...told myself that it just wasn't my night...there would always be a next time...whatever. I'm really happy that I won, but that high will fade in time. What I'm most proud of is the way I dealt with the adversity. I stayed composed...I stuck it out...I fought back. I didn't quit. That will stay with me forever. All the years of training. All the pain and sweat. All the blood and bruises, and this is what I have...the fact that I didn't quit. But you know what...that's enough. For me, that's everything. Will I fight again? I don't know. Probably. Why? I can't put it into words. There's something that calls me to it. There's a part of me that needs it. Here I was last night in a fight, and now I sit here in a state of peace that I haven't felt in years. It's strange...life is strange. All I know is that last night I touched a part of me that I haven't been in contact with for quite some time. I'm a fighter, again. I feel young. I feel...ALIVE!!! Sorry for the ramble. Thank you for listening. --__--__-- Message: 5 From: "Kay Ethier at Above and Beyond Learning" To: Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] First MMA fight...the experience, the lessons, the aftermath. Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2006 11:43:44 -0400 Organization: Above and Beyond Language Learning Inc. Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net So, you end this great story with "Sorry for the Ramble." Are you kidding? That was AWESOME. Thank you for sharing the experience and insights. I'm proud of you and I don't even know ya! :-) Attitude and outlook are key... You definitely nailed that! Kay -----Original Message----- From: Stovall, Craig [mailto:CStovall@nucorar.com] Sent: Monday, July 24, 2006 10:52 AM To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] First MMA fight...the experience, the lessons, the aftermath. Please take the following post in the spirit of humility with which it is written. I just wanted to use the digest to share an experience with my friends here, as well as explore some thoughts and feelings that I'm taking away from the event. More importantly...I learned something about myself. There was a time in my life when I would have packed it in after that first round. I had all the excuses necessary...didn't train for this fight, took it on short notice, up all night with nausea, guy was way bigger, etc. I could have packed it in...told myself that it just wasn't my night...there would always be a next time...whatever. I'm really happy that I won, but that high will fade in time. What I'm most proud of is the way I dealt with the adversity. I stayed composed...I stuck it out...I fought back. I didn't quit. That will stay with me forever. All the years of training. All the pain and sweat. All the blood and bruises, and this is what I have...the fact that I didn't quit. But you know what...that's enough. For me, that's everything. Will I fight again? I don't know. Probably. Why? I can't put it into words. There's something that calls me to it. There's a part of me that needs it. Here I was last night in a fight, and now I sit here in a state of peace that I haven't felt in years. It's strange...life is strange. All I know is that last night I touched a part of me that I haven't been in contact with for quite some time. I'm a fighter, again. I feel young. I feel...ALIVE!!! Sorry for the ramble. Thank you for listening. _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list, 2,100 members The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang --__--__-- Message: 6 From: "Bert Edens" To: Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2006 10:45:26 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] RE: Best Breaks Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Greetings, all... Love this discussion of best / hardest breaks... My hardest break to do was two boards with a flying side kick at my 1st dan testing. You really had to have a lot of leg speed to break boards while in the air. But that wasn't the hardest part. The hardest part was that on the first two tries, one of the board holders saw about 300 pounds of tester coming at him and pulled the boards away. Finally, the parent of one of our other black belts stepped in, and I broke on my third try... Best break, as far as fun, are the ones that make people cringe, of course :) There's a tie there, between three boards with a shin kick and two boards with a low block, using the outer forearm as the breaking tool. The shin kick was like going through balsa wood (it wasn't :)), it felt so easy. On the low block, I didn't break the first time because of poor board alignment on my part, but I corrected it and broke on the second try, although by then I was getting a nasty knot on my forearm... :) **bows** - Bert Edens Springdale, Arkansas --__--__-- Message: 7 Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2006 13:01:08 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] First MMA fight...the experience, the lessons, the aftermath. From: "Thomas Gordon" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Mr. Stovall, I think it's great you got to compete! I've competed in about 3 years and never in a MMA action like you described. Next thing you know you'll be cross training all over the place trying to gear up for the next one! Best regards, Thomas Gordon Florida --__--__-- Message: 8 From: "Joseph Cheavens" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] First MMA fight...the experience, the lessons, the aftermath. Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2006 13:13:55 -0500 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Great post. Thanks for sharing. Joe Cheavens --__--__-- Message: 9 Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2006 08:13:49 +0930 From: Damian Adams To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: Master Dan need ring and scoring info Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Dear Master Scholten, the main problem I have with the new system is that it has 4 corner judges instead of 3, and it requires 3 judges to see the point instead of 2. This was done to try and help improve scoring as sometimes it was easy for one or two judges to be blinded to the action. But I think it has had the reverse effect. Now you need 75% agreeing whereas previously you only needed 66%, this may not seem a lot but when you consider that 3 people have to press that button within 1 second whereas previously you only had to get 2 people doing it you soon see that it can be more difficult to get one point scored. The 7-12 scoring, reduced ring size, reduced round time for black belts and sudden death all seem to have worked for the better. regards Damian. --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang http://the-dojang.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/the_dojang Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and http://MartialArtsResource.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of The_Dojang Digest