Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2006 02:59:55 -0700 From: the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: The_Dojang digest, Vol 13 #320 - 10 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: kma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: The Internet's premier discussion forum on Korean Martial Arts. 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Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The Internet's premier discussion forum devoted to Korean Martial Arts. 2,100 members. See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of The_Dojang at http://MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! Today's Topics: 1. WTF newsletter, issue #4 (Ray) 2. Kukkiwon DVD/Text (Frank Clay) 3. Master Dan (Dan Scholten) 4. KMA/JMA roots (Mark) 5. RE: Karate influence v.s. T'aekkyon influence (Burdick, Dakin Robert) 6. RE: Karate influence v.s. T'aekkyon influence (Joseph Cheavens) 7. 2006 Kukkiwon Textbook and DVD???? (Master Lugo) 8. Re: real defense (Beungood8@aol.com) 9. Re: Karate influence v.s. T'aekkyon influence (John Chambers) 10. world governing body punishes five referees (The_Dojang) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: Ray To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net (The_Dojang) Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2006 06:07:46 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [The_Dojang] WTF newsletter, issue #4 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net The Aug 3 WTF newsletter has been emailed out. It should be available soon at http://wtf.org/site/news/newsletter.htm Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 2 From: "Frank Clay" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2006 10:29:38 -0400 Subject: [The_Dojang] Kukkiwon DVD/Text Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net These items can be purchased as a set from Sang Moo Sa. I'd also recommend them for uniforms and the like. They have always gone out of their way to please me. f. --__--__-- Message: 3 Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2006 06:29:42 -0800 From: Dan Scholten To: chungdokwan80@yahoo.com Cc: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Master Dan Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net To Troy L Smith Chung Do Kwan Regarding purchase of the new Kukiwon textbook and DVD's Go to mykick.com and look under education section Also here is the link, Tell the sales person Jin that Master Dan from Alaska sent you. Here is the direct link to the item page for you http://www.mykick.com/user/itemlist.php?catcd=7 --__--__-- Message: 4 From: "Mark" To: Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2006 07:42:49 -0700 Subject: [The_Dojang] KMA/JMA roots Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Greetings All, Although it is nice to know the history of the KMA as relates to JMA, and argue points either way, I think we have to be sure to recognize where they are now and what the KMA founders did to further their arts. One only has to look at a Shotokan sparring match compared to an ITF or WTF contact match to see that the KMA evolved. That has also been the goal of the JMA guys. Take a look at a Shotokan lineage chart and you will see the masters that trained with this master and that master and later formed their own distinct system. Each of the KMA/JMA founders took what they learned and their personal system evolved. Each of us should look at the arts we practice in the same way and ask ourselves if what we are doing is so rooted in the past that we are not continuing the evolution of our art. Martial arts are personal and individuals should have their own personal style. Similar to using a toothbrush, we all have our own methods of applying toothpaste and brushing. It is not the brand of toothbrush nor the brand of toothpaste that is important---it is the cleanliness of the teeth afterward that is the goal. If you are still using the old tooth rubber and insisting that because so-in-so developed the rubber tip tooth rubber you should not do anything else, you are missing the point. Get with it and learn that there are cool 'more effective' Tigger & Pooh motorized toothbrushes and flavored floss to go with it. Sometimes living in the past you miss the now and the future will go on without you. Mark Gajdostik TNT-Martial Arts TNTma.com --__--__-- Message: 5 Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] Karate influence v.s. T'aekkyon influence Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2006 10:53:18 -0400 From: "Burdick, Dakin Robert" To: Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Korean karate in the 1960s included practitioners of Tangsudo, Kongsudo, T'aesudo, and T'aegweondo. Those who trained in the art during the Korean War were primarily Shotokan stylists in their practice. Students of Duck Sung Son were an example of those stylists. There was a resurgence of interest in T'aekkyeon in the late 1950s, so the Korean karate stylists who trained in the 1960s had a style that was more influenced by that traditional art. Chuck Norris, Ernest Lieb and others spread those kicks through the American tournament circuit. The Kukkiwon style of the 1970s encouraged further differentiation from karate in order to compete for the status of becoming an Olympic sport. The success of that movement led to the influence of Kukkiwon style kicks on the development of T'aekkyeon, which can be seen in the videos available from Robert Young. Yours in the arts, Dakin Burdick dakinburdick@yahoo.com PS: There have been conversations on this at the Dojang_Digest for a looooong time. Checking out the archives would be very useful for those interested in the topic! [demime 0.98e removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef which had a name of winmail.dat] --__--__-- Message: 6 From: "Joseph Cheavens" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] Karate influence v.s. T'aekkyon influence Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2006 11:03:37 -0500 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net So, the resurgence of interest in T'aekkyon in the late '50s inspired the Kongsudo/Tangsudo practitioners to incorporate T'aekkyon style kicks into what became Taekwondo? Joe Cheavens -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Burdick, Dakin Robert" Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net To: Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] Karate influence v.s. T'aekkyon influence Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2006 10:53:18 -0400 Korean karate in the 1960s included practitioners of Tangsudo, Kongsudo, T'aesudo, and T'aegweondo. Those who trained in the art during the Korean War were primarily Shotokan stylists in their practice. Students of Duck Sung Son were an example of those stylists. There was a resurgence of interest in T'aekkyeon in the late 1950s, so the Korean karate stylists who trained in the 1960s had a style that was more influenced by that traditional art. Chuck Norris, Ernest Lieb and others spread those kicks through the American tournament circuit. The Kukkiwon style of the 1970s encouraged further differentiation from karate in order to compete for the status of becoming an Olympic sport. The success of that movement led to the influence of Kukkiwon style kicks on the development of T'aekkyeon, which can be seen in the videos available from Robert Young. Yours in the arts, Dakin Burdick dakinburdick@yahoo.com PS: There have been conversations on this at the Dojang_Digest for a looooong time. Checking out the archives would be very useful for those interested in the topic! [demime 0.98e removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef which had a name of winmail.dat] _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list, 2,100 members The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang --__--__-- Message: 7 Date: 3 Aug 2006 16:09:00 -0000 To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net From: "Master Lugo" Subject: [The_Dojang] 2006 Kukkiwon Textbook and DVD???? Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net If you can order from me.....sent me a private email am I will give you price and instructions for payment.. Lugo does anyone know where to go to purchase these items? Yours in the Martial Arts, Troy L. Smith, Jr. United Martial Arts Society President www.umas.biz --__--__-- Message: 8 From: Beungood8@aol.com Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2006 14:35:07 EDT To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: real defense Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net In a message dated 8/3/2006 7:15:18 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net writes: Here a link to a very affective selfdefense techniques refined in the streets of the Bronx. http://youtube.com/watch?v=uymIi93hqmU&search=miyama I thought some of the knife defense was dangerous. Some of the takedowns look as though the knife was close to the body. Too cooperative,static and not dynamic enough. --__--__-- Message: 9 From: "John Chambers" To: Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Karate influence v.s. T'aekkyon influence Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2006 16:08:32 -0400 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Joseph: You are probably right about the surface of TaeKwonDo in the late 1950s. I was promoted to black belt in early 1960s by the then 2nd President of the Korea TaeKwonDo Association, Kang Ik Lee. My Dan Certificate was signed by Lee and listed my promotion as: TaeKwonDo / MooDukKwan. I also received a book titled: TAEKWON-DO written by; Choi Hong Hi that was published in 1959. My instructor back then was; Kim Wong Kyung Just food for thought. John Chambers ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joseph Cheavens" To: Sent: Thursday, August 03, 2006 12:03 PM Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] Karate influence v.s. T'aekkyon influence > So, the resurgence of interest in T'aekkyon in the late '50s inspired the > Kongsudo/Tangsudo practitioners to incorporate T'aekkyon style kicks into > what became Taekwondo? > > Joe Cheavens > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > > From: "Burdick, Dakin Robert" > Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > To: > Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] Karate influence v.s. T'aekkyon influence > Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2006 10:53:18 -0400 > Korean karate in the 1960s included practitioners of Tangsudo, > Kongsudo, > T'aesudo, and T'aegweondo. Those who trained in the art during the > Korean War > were primarily Shotokan stylists in their practice. Students of Duck > Sung Son > were an example of those stylists. There was a resurgence of interest > in > T'aekkyeon in the late 1950s, so the Korean karate stylists who > trained in the > 1960s had a style that was more influenced by that traditional art. > Chuck > Norris, Ernest Lieb and others spread those kicks through the > American > tournament circuit. The Kukkiwon style of the 1970s encouraged > further > differentiation from karate in order to compete for the status of > becoming an > Olympic sport. The success of that movement led to the influence of > Kukkiwon > style kicks on the development of T'aekkyeon, which can be seen in > the videos > available from Robert Young. > > Yours in the arts, > > Dakin Burdick > dakinburdick@yahoo.com > > PS: There have been conversations on this at the Dojang_Digest for a > looooong > time. Checking out the archives would be very useful for those > interested in > the topic! > > [demime 0.98e removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef which > had a name of winmail.dat] > _______________________________________________ > The_Dojang mailing list, 2,100 members > The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource > Standard disclaimers apply > http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang > _______________________________________________ > The_Dojang mailing list, 2,100 members > The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource > Standard disclaimers apply > http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang --__--__-- Message: 10 Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2006 21:31:05 -0700 From: The_Dojang To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] world governing body punishes five referees Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Taekwondo's world governing body punishes five referees The World Taekwondo Federation has punished four referees with suspensions of up two years for their "inadequate remarks and actions" during recent games, a WTF spokesman said in Seoul on Thursday. "In the recently ended WTF general assembly in Ho Chi Min City, Vietnam, the Competition Supervisory Board decided to give four referees one-match to two-year suspensions with another given a warning," said Kang Seok-jae, spokesman for the Seoul-based WTF. "Those referees recently made inadequate remarks or actions in recent international matches. The punishment reflects the WTF's strong resolution to tighten discipline on referees," Kang said. Meanwhile, the general assembly decided on the British city of Manchester as a venue for a qualification tournament next year for the 2008 Beijing Olympics, the spokesman said. The meeting also approved as continental qualification tournament venues Istanbul of Turkey for Europe, Bogota of Colombia for the Pan-American region and Ho Chi Min for Asia, according to the spokesman. The other two venues for Oceania and Africa have yet to be decided. Member countries also agreed to designate September 4th as Taekwondo Day to mark the inclusion of the martial art as an Olympic sport in 1994. Source: Xinhua --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang http://the-dojang.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/the_dojang Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and http://MartialArtsResource.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of The_Dojang Digest