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Re: Moo yea do (Nathan Miller) --__--__-- Message: 1 Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2006 22:02:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Jye nigma To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Moo yea do Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net anyone ever heard of this: http://www.mooyeado.net/whatismyd/history.html --------------------------------- How low will we go? Check out Yahoo! Messenger’s low PC-to-Phone call rates. --__--__-- Message: 2 Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2006 22:18:40 -0700 (PDT) From: Jye nigma To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] moo yea doo clip: sword form Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net http://www.mooyeado.net/images/Alba_s_sword_demo.wmv --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Get on board. You're invited to try the new Yahoo! Mail Beta. --__--__-- Message: 3 From: "Joseph Cheavens" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] Moo yea do Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2006 09:11:34 -0500 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Moo yea? Sounds like what a cheerleading cow might say. [IMAGE] Joe Cheavens --__--__-- Message: 4 Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2006 08:20:09 -0700 (PDT) From: Jye nigma Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] Moo yea do To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net First Time I heard of it was from watching the horrid, yet entertaining final fu. SUddenly the final fu has an appeal to it when I hear that the winner gets 25,000 dollars. I checked out the site and I can say I'll give the GM yang some credit. He didn't try to say that moo yea do has ancient ties. It states that he drew from different arts as well as his own training in TKD. Jye Joseph Cheavens wrote: Moo yea? Sounds like what a cheerleading cow might say. [IMAGE] Joe Cheavens _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list, 2,100 members The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail Beta. --__--__-- Message: 5 From: Erik Kluzek Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2006 10:00:54 -0600 To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: Kumdo vs. Gumdo Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Robert Frankovich said... > I haven't heard of Master Abbott, yet, but I've only been > involved with Haidong Gumdo for three years (and there aren't that > many of us in Minnesota). The biggest difference that I've found in > the area around me is that those following a more Kendo version > have labeled themselves as "Kumdo." We are the only Haidong Gumdo > school in Minnesota and don't practice the "sparring" version of > the art. We've been taught and focus on the application side of > cutting using forms and various cutting (paper, straw, bamboo) > practices. Around here we are the only school to say "Gumdo" > instead of "Kumdo." Robert -- what's the Hangul for the first syllable in Gumdo? My limited understanding of Korean tells me that the ㄱ in Korean is kind of between the English K and G, and that in front of a word it's closer to a English "K". It could also be an aspirated K as in ă„² which would bring to closer to the English G. See... http://www.zkorean.com/appearance.shtml Erik Kluzek Head Instructor Colorado Blue Wave Martial Arts http://www.coloradobluewave.org !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! --__--__-- Message: 6 Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2006 12:15:40 -0400 From: "Simpson, John" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Kendo vs. Kumdo or Gumdo Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net In response to Mr. Donahoo's recent question: I have been practicing "kumdo" for eight years in a dojang in the Washington, D.C., area (www.kumdo.com). Our style combines the sparring that is commonly associated with kendo (the bamboo sword and the medieval-looking protective equipment (hoggoo)) with no-opponent sword forms using a metal practice blade and ultimately a live blade cutting straw bundles, etc. Many of the sword forms come from certain iaido schools and many of them are uniquely Korean. Our school is a member of the Korea Kumdo Association which sanctions all of our dan rank appointments. From what I have been able to observe, the sword forms we do and what the iaido practitioners do emphasize many of the same things -- focus, striking effectively and definitively with a single cut. >From what I have seen in sparring matches in tournaments, the kendo players try to score with a single, well placed strike while the kumdo players tend to emphasize multiple strikes. There also are certain differences in etiquette. Scoring a point in either style, however, requires the same thing: chi-gum-gi, the strike the yell and the foot-stomp all happening at the same time. -------------------------- Sent from my BlackBerry Wireless Handheld (www.BlackBerry.net) --__--__-- Message: 7 From: "Joseph Cheavens" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] Moo yea do Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2006 11:17:41 -0500 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net True, but his "History of TKD" page shows the usual "ancient Hwarang" origins of TKD claim, along with a "family tree" that claims that all Japanese MA are derived from the fighting arts of the Hwarang warriors. Joe Cheavens -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jye nigma Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] Moo yea do Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2006 08:20:09 -0700 (PDT) First Time I heard of it was from watching the horrid, yet entertaining final fu. SUddenly the final fu has an appeal to it when I hear that the winner gets 25,000 dollars. I checked out the site and I can say I'll give the GM yang some credit. He didn't try to say that moo yea do has ancient ties. It states that he drew from different arts as well as his own training in TKD. Jye Joseph Cheavens wrote: Moo yea? Sounds like what a cheerleading cow might say. [IMAGE] Joe Cheavens _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list, 2,100 members The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail Beta. _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list, 2,100 members The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang --__--__-- Message: 8 From: "Curt McCauley" To: Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2006 11:15:40 -0700 Subject: [The_Dojang] (no subject) Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net In Regard to the Following: " Getting back to TKD, Doesn't ALL TKD descend from TSDMDK? ?!? No. Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com " It would be interesting to hear from people who are in touch with the orginal base of their respective TKD studies. I am aware of : Ji Do Kwan TKD Chung Do Kwan TKD Song Moo Kwan TKD and of course Moo Duk Kwan TKD I believe there was a group affiliated with the YMCA ( Kwon Bop Bu) in the early days (1940's and 50's). Also a mention of Kong Soo Do. On another note Hwang Kee Kwan Jang Nim studied in Manchuria under a man by the name of Yang Kuk Jin. I believe this was in the 1930's. (actually began study in May, 1936) He trained with Master Yang when ever possible until 1941. In 1946 China became a communist country and he was not able to communicate or train with his Master. In very early photos of his second group of students (All but one of the first group were killed in the Korean conflict) In some of the older group photos, there are people lined up in position of honor who wear more Tai Chi /Kong Fu (Black "pajama" type clothing with the "turtle" buttons down the front) type clothing. My Instructor informed me that these were "Friends of his from China and Manchuria. In the first issue of his book "Soo Bahk Do Dae Kahm" Hwang Kee KJN teaches a form of Tai Chi, which I believe is Yang Style. In this segment of the book he uses the Korean term Tae Guk Kwon or Grand ultimate fist. I would venture to guess that this has no Japanese flavor to it. He did study Japanese and Okinawan karate via books found in the Seoul public Library, and refers to Gichen Funakoshi in the same volume of his writings. Respectfully Submitted, Curt McCauley Chief Instructor Channel Town Soo Bahk Do --__--__-- Message: 9 From: "David P. Zapencki" To: Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] (no subject) Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2006 14:11:25 -0500 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I think they were: Chung Do Kwan Moo Duk Kwan (the art of Tang Soo Do) Yun Moo Kwan Chang Moo Kwan Chi Do Kwan Ji Do Kwan Song Moo Kwan Oh Do Kwan Roughly in that order... Dave -----Original Message----- From: Curt McCauley [mailto:curt@channeltownkarate.com] Sent: Tuesday, August 08, 2006 1:16 PM To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] (no subject) In Regard to the Following: " Getting back to TKD, Doesn't ALL TKD descend from TSDMDK? ?!? No. Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com " It would be interesting to hear from people who are in touch with the orginal base of their respective TKD studies. I am aware of : Ji Do Kwan TKD Chung Do Kwan TKD Song Moo Kwan TKD and of course Moo Duk Kwan TKD --__--__-- Message: 10 From: Ray To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net (The_Dojang) Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2006 18:42:55 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [The_Dojang] GM Ji seminar Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Hapkido seminar with Grandmaster Ji. http://martialartsresource.com/GmJiSeminar.htm Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 11 Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2006 20:53:12 -0500 From: "Nathan Miller" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Moo yea do Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Only partially in his defense: the "History" page he links to is hosted off-site; I've seen it around before. Again, only partially in his defense, as he DOES link to it. Nathan On 8/8/06, Joseph Cheavens wrote: > True, but his "History of TKD" page shows the usual "ancient Hwarang" > origins of TKD claim, along with a "family tree" that claims that all > Japanese MA are derived from the fighting arts of the Hwarang warriors. > > Joe Cheavens > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > > From: Jye nigma > Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] Moo yea do > Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2006 08:20:09 -0700 (PDT) > First Time I heard of it was from watching the horrid, yet > entertaining final fu. SUddenly the final fu has an appeal to it when > I hear that the winner gets 25,000 dollars. I checked out the site > and I can say I'll give the GM yang some credit. He didn't try to say > that moo yea do has ancient ties. It states that he drew from > different arts as well as his own training in TKD. > > Jye > > Joseph Cheavens wrote: > Moo yea? Sounds like what a cheerleading cow might say. [IMAGE] > > Joe Cheavens > _______________________________________________ > The_Dojang mailing list, 2,100 members > The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource > Standard disclaimers apply > http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang > > --------------------------------- > Do you Yahoo!? > Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail Beta. > _______________________________________________ > The_Dojang mailing list, 2,100 members > The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource > Standard disclaimers apply > http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang > _______________________________________________ > The_Dojang mailing list, 2,100 members > The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource > Standard disclaimers apply > http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang http://the-dojang.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/the_dojang Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and http://MartialArtsResource.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of The_Dojang Digest