Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2006 03:00:31 -0700 From: the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: The_Dojang digest, Vol 13 #336 - 7 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: kma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: The Internet's premier discussion forum on Korean Martial Arts. 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Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The Internet's premier discussion forum devoted to Korean Martial Arts. 2,100 members. See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of The_Dojang at http://MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! Today's Topics: 1. another look (Horold whalen) 2. RE: Training Curriculum (BJ Pritchett) 3. RE: Jye on stances (George Peters) 4. TKD stances & root (Mike Donahoo) 5. Re: TKD stances & root (Jye nigma) 6. Re: Stance article (Ray) 7. Re: RE: Jye on stances (Jye nigma) --__--__-- Message: 1 Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2006 12:11:23 -0700 (PDT) From: Horold whalen To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] another look Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Having been on both sides of the fence it reminds me of the "Union verses Non Union " argument I make more than A Non Union Electrician ,better working conditions ,benefits retirement annuity funds etc. for every hour i work $5.00 goes towards my retirement another $4.75 into an annuity fund ,In all not including my base salary $17 goes into my benefits making my pay somewhere around $60 an hour Now to prove I am or 'WE"worth it we work Smarter and safer not necessarily faster just better no mistakes on time and on most cases under budget . I have Union Brothers from all over the country that all share the same work ethic and goals, and respect for the brotherhood which we put first . when Brothers from other locals work here that are paid as we are the same,sometimes it is double to what they are paid in other parts of the country,So New York,Boston And Fransisco are places we all love to work "Oh" also Seattle these are the Highest paid unions in the country. "Remember organized labor we are the guys that gave you the weekend " and the ones whom assure job safety,equality and equal pay for equal work No favoritism maybe Hapkido should say "Union YES" --------------------------------- Get your email and more, right on the new Yahoo.com --__--__-- Message: 2 From: "BJ Pritchett" To: Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2006 12:49:38 -0700 Subject: [The_Dojang] RE: Training Curriculum Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Greetings to All! I don't usually post because I consider myself very junior in the teaching world and I prefer to lurk and learn; however, this topic has caught my attention and I'd love to hear what others are doing, so in the spirit of hoping others will open up and write, here's my .02 cents worth. In our school we train on a thirteen week training cycle. We are a small school and have multiple colored belts in one class; however we make it appropriate by ranks. Our thirteen week cycle focuses on something different each week which pertains to each level and helps the students prepare to move up when they are ready. For example: Week 1 = forms, 2 = one steps, 3 = free sparring, 4 = stances, 5 = kicks, 6 = board breaking, 7 = tourn sparring, 8 = self defense, 9 = open (what instructor thinks class needs), 10 = basics, 11 = fun week, 12 & 13 = test prep. This cycle ends on week 14 with an invite to test for those ready to test and then the cycle begins again. I do not strictly keep to the order of weeks because I know some of my less motivated students wouldn't come on the weeks they don't like (and it's usually the week they need the most). I do try to switch the weeks up so there is a hard week rewarded with a fun week and I try to keep stances, kicks, board breaking in a row because board breaking tends to be more successful after we've focused on good stances and proper kicking technique. It should also be noted not everyone is invited to test, only those ready to advance. That way it's not an automatic thing and the students know they have to earn or work at the right to test and promote. This works well for us, but I love to hear what you all are doing as I'm always willing to incorporate new and interesting ideas. I'd also love to hear a bout different drills you may do to help the students. Yours in the Arts, BJ Pritchett --__--__-- Message: 3 From: "George Peters" To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2006 16:05:16 -0400 Subject: [The_Dojang] RE: Jye on stances Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Good Sir, I enjoyed the article, and agree that the importance of stances cannot be overstated. But dude, wasn't that a lot of writing to re-affirm what the Sip Sam Seh says? Respectfully, George --__--__-- Message: 4 Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2006 13:18:44 -0700 (PDT) From: Mike Donahoo To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] TKD stances & root Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Jye, I guess I don't know what you are specifically talking about when you mentioned "root" and taekwondo stances not being very centered. Please excuse my ignorance but can you explain further? I have been a WTF style taekwondo practitioner for over 12 years, but I don't think I've heard the concept you are speaking of - or maybe it's just been called another name. I feel comfortable, agile, stable, and centered in most taekwondo stances. In devotion to the Art Mike Donahoo --------------------------------- Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls to the US (and 30+ countries) for 2¢/min or less. --__--__-- Message: 5 Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2006 17:37:13 -0700 (PDT) From: Jye nigma Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] TKD stances & root To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Hi....root refers to basically being bottom heavy....I better explain a little better...lol. It's actually making your lower half very secure and heavy, proper skeletal alignment along with lower body strengthening exercises increase the deal with root. The being centered is along the same lines. lower your center to increase stability. For instance when you compare shotokan to TKD you'll notice many things the most important being lower stance work. Now as TKD people our lower body should be amongst the best among the other kicking arts. but the truth is it's not. I believe we have the tools for some power but not total body power behind our kicks. Also, by training our lower bodies (waist to feet) not only would we deliver more powerful kicks/strikes, but lower body attacks would in most cases be futile. Now some of this may not make sense but here's a good illustration for you.... Take a tree, if the tree is not deeply rooted a nice size storm can come along and uproot the tree right? The same is true of a fighter. If the fighter's stance is not deeply rooted then his opponent may be able to uproot him and beat him. So thinking of the tree example, a tree whose roots run very deep is impossible to be uprooted. The trunk with snap long before the tree is uprooted. So it's the same with us. Now when we fight we need to develop or legs and lower body and have a moving root :o) so that we are able to move sturdily balanced and without being stiff. There is much more to root training but that should be enough. we have other kung fu people in here who can elaborate as well. Jye Mike Donahoo wrote: Jye, I guess I don't know what you are specifically talking about when you mentioned "root" and taekwondo stances not being very centered. Please excuse my ignorance but can you explain further? I have been a WTF style taekwondo practitioner for over 12 years, but I don't think I've heard the concept you are speaking of - or maybe it's just been called another name. I feel comfortable, agile, stable, and centered in most taekwondo stances. In devotion to the Art Mike Donahoo --------------------------------- Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls to the US (and 30+ countries) for 2¢/min or less. _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list, 2,100 members The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Next-gen email? Have it all with the all-new Yahoo! Mail Beta. --__--__-- Message: 6 From: Ray Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Stance article To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2006 17:39:24 -0700 (PDT) Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net There are some obvious advantages to a stable stance, but also consider the advantages of an unstable stance... In olympic-style TKD an unstable stance is frequently stressed as it will improve speed of movement. But then try to execute a HKD throw from an unstable stance. Different styles, different purposes, different stances and a different philosophy on stance. Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 7 Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2006 17:44:24 -0700 (PDT) From: Jye nigma Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] RE: Jye on stances To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Not really some would understand the "song" but the majority wont understand until taught. For instance, if I told you doing your forms without intent is dancing. some would have no clue, but if I demonstrated or even wrote out the difference, most would understand....besides when I write *article* in the subject line of my emails, it is not my work. so copy and paste is the tool being used there...lol Jye George Peters wrote: Good Sir, I enjoyed the article, and agree that the importance of stances cannot be overstated. But dude, wasn't that a lot of writing to re-affirm what the Sip Sam Seh says? Respectfully, George _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list, 2,100 members The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail Beta. --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang http://the-dojang.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/the_dojang Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and http://MartialArtsResource.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of The_Dojang Digest