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Re: advice (John Chambers) 2. Re: New Thread (Steven Berkowitz) 3. Re: advice (Steven Berkowitz) 4. Re: Tom..see Steve Berkowitz (sidtkd@aol.com) 5. Re: advice (Victor.E.Dodge@jci.com) 6. KKW PAPER Trail (Johnnie Rouse) 7. Mr. Rubinfeld (David Weller) 8. KKW PAPER Trail (Johnnie Rouse) 9. Preparations for 1st WTF World Taekwondo Poomsae Chip (The_Dojang) 10. KKW Certs. Pyung-Ahn Side note (Johnnie Rouse) 11. RE: KKW PAPER Trail (Rick Clark) 12. Re: you do have a point (WTSDA Bruce) 13. Re: fight science (WTSDA Bruce) 14. Re: Mr. Rubinfeld (Steven Berkowitz) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: "John Chambers" To: Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] advice Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2006 16:25:35 -0400 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Hello victor: Not much you can do with a fractured toe! You just have to wait until time heals. Continue your upper body work, and continue to stretch those legs. A fractured toe will upset your equilibrium anyway, so just grin and bear it until you heal. John Chambers ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, August 21, 2006 1:46 PM Subject: [The_Dojang] advice > Would anyone care to give me some advice on continuing my Tae Kwon Do > training with a fractured toe? > I cannot sit and wait three more weeks (dr. said four weeks of rest) > before > returning to training. I don't want to have to start rebuilding my > strength, speed and stamina from scratch. I am continuing to work on upper > body, but need some way of maintaining/strengthening my lower body, as > well. > Any advice would be appreciated! > _______________________________________________ > The_Dojang mailing list, 2,100 members > The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource > Standard disclaimers apply > http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang --__--__-- Message: 2 From: "Steven Berkowitz" To: Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] New Thread Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2006 13:36:54 -0700 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Those slow "pressing" movements in vlocks are funamic tension, periods of kokyu, breathing types designed to create energy in organs, focus the mind, etc. See:Qi Gong ("Chi Kung") BTW: I hardly consider m'self "those asses we are trying to stay away from and are the intent of the regulation to start with." I am, by nature, training, education and experience, an anti-regulatory anti-hob't., hippie from the early 70s guy...... to make your own decision about that, www.umaai.com Staff - Steven A. Berkowitz . ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Weller" To: Sent: Monday, August 21, 2006 10:43 AM Subject: [The_Dojang] New Thread > Hello again Mr. Clark, > > I'll just make one more point. Having served on some boards of > directors for national organizations and some rinky dink local stuff > as well, I know full well that the poor schmuck who volunteers first > will be on that board until he dies. The only persons who will raise > their hands and volunteer their services (in general, okay??) will > be those asses we are trying to stay away from and are the intent of > the regulation to start with. Then the wolves are guarding the flock, > and the descent to hell has begun........ > > I'm glad we agree that what really matters is what our TEACHERS teach > us!! The rest is like that crud you get in the corner of your eye in > the morning, it's irritating until you rub it out. > > But most of all I liked your idea of starting a new thread! > > How about this: > In many forms from many styles I see actions that contain slow, > "pressing" movements. > For the WTFer's in the house I see this in Taebeck (3rd Dan form) et > al, and have seen them in ITF, ATA and Karate styles as well. > > Besides looking kind of cool, I don't see much point to them. But I > really didn't think much of the C Block in Palgwe Sa-jang until just > recently!! Thanks !!!!! > > Anyone care to offer some insight ??? > > > Thanks > > Dave Weller > > > > On Aug 21, 2006, at 9:44 AM, Me & Mr. Clark wrote: > > > > >> Look-it, the guys who would truly make the board a valuable tool have > >> better things to do: > >> > >> Like making their students better martial artists! > > > > Agreed but it does not mean that there are not some out there that > > could > > not fill administrative roles for a short period of time and then have > > someone else fill the roles. Not get some political hacks in > > positions > > of power who will never give it up and use it for their own political, > > power, monetary gain. > _______________________________________________ > The_Dojang mailing list, 2,100 members > The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource > Standard disclaimers apply > http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.11.4/424 - Release Date: 8/21/2006 --__--__-- Message: 3 From: "Steven Berkowitz" To: Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] advice Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2006 13:38:31 -0700 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net when I broke my rt. big toe on a bigger dudes knee block, I trained S-L-O-W-L-Y after a 2 week rest. Can't set toes, they'll just break again, so why wait, was my logic(dementia). ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, August 21, 2006 10:46 AM Subject: [The_Dojang] advice > Would anyone care to give me some advice on continuing my Tae Kwon Do > training with a fractured toe? > I cannot sit and wait three more weeks (dr. said four weeks of rest) before > returning to training. I don't want to have to start rebuilding my > strength, speed and stamina from scratch. I am continuing to work on upper > body, but need some way of maintaining/strengthening my lower body, as > well. > Any advice would be appreciated! > _______________________________________________ > The_Dojang mailing list, 2,100 members > The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource > Standard disclaimers apply > http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.11.4/424 - Release Date: 8/21/2006 --__--__-- Message: 4 From: sidtkd@aol.com Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2006 17:03:21 EDT To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: Tom..see Steve Berkowitz Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I don't know if its a misunderstanding or purposeful obfuscation that's going on here. What is it that folks don't understand? No...we don't put crooks on regulatory boards...everyone knows that. We are not advocating for a fixed fee..or to mandate how a roundhouse is thrown. Or for that matter whatever the devil a "sold-out" martial artist is. Master Lim risked a whole lot putting out the truth about the chubby wannabee. But once again, and I hope the last time here's what I think: 1) I don't want guys with prison records around kids 2) I don't want children molested 3) I don't want consumer fraud 4) I don't want dangerous dojangs Just so there's no misunderstanding...if I have to balance greed against a child's safety I couldn't give a damn if 80% of the dojangs went under if no kids were hurt. Now stew in that and don't change what I say to make it sound like I'm into your pockets. Charge $10,000 for a dan for all I care, but deliver it. If you can get a moron to pay over $150 for a first dan when you can get it from USA Taekwondo for $125...go right ahead. I don't care if you make a million a day or go out of business tomorrow. I care about the above 4 things that are abridged and violated daily. Sid Rubinfeld --__--__-- Message: 5 Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] advice To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net From: Victor.E.Dodge@jci.com Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2006 16:08:06 -0500 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Dave, Mr. John Chambers & Mr. Berkowitz, Thanks for the advice. I'll continue to work on the upper body and stretch the lower half until it hurts, at least for another week. Then maybe return to a light workout depending on level of discomfort and balance. Thanks! Victor --__--__-- Message: 6 From: "Johnnie Rouse" To: Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2006 16:29:50 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] KKW PAPER Trail Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net >Throw all the !@#$ paper away and get out on >the mat! Stop wasting time chasing paper. This is OK by me if that is what you have in mind for yourself. Sounds like the same justification for dropping out of high school. There are people that intend to make a life career in MAs and most potential clients and students usually like to see credentials. Johnnie Rouse --__--__-- Message: 7 From: David Weller Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2006 16:58:46 -0500 To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Mr. Rubinfeld Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Mr. Rubinfeld, First let me apologize for misspelling your name!! Just mark it off as a hayseed hick with no linguistic skills allowed to use a computer. I sure didn't mean it as a put-down or anything else. And I use Mr. to show respect. Like some others on here, I have a hard time using first names in most of these discussions. Once we've had a brewski (or Pepsi if that's your style) together we can talk about the Mr. deal. Second, Let me also tell you, as a certified windmill jouster myself, I hear you. And I agree with MANY of your points. I just don't think a board of "peers" will do us any good. You mentioned that Doctors Boards are not filled with shams, fakes, and wannabe's. I agree. But if doctors had been unregulated for decades and many unscrupulous persons had somehow become doctors, the situation would be much different. How in heck will you select this Board? What credentials will I have to show to be considered?? None? Or a handful of fake junk printed by some nut-case pro rassler in Florida? The way it is now, the guys with the most "legit" paper are probably the ones who are abusing the system and will be first in line to be "on the board!" Cripes, look at Hackworth's site, the guy is AWESOME on paper! I understand you got taken by some jerks. But trying to regulate this field would be akin to cat herding. I really don't think it would be any better than what we have, and might actually work against us by making it to hard for folks to teach the art(s) they love! I know my instructor would not be willing to go through very much paperwork to continue doing what he has been doing for the last 30 years. And losing guys like him, well, THAT would be a crime! Just know that I am on your side 100%, until you start "regulating" me. Then I'm dropping back to 90%! Third: I don't know if you were referring to me when you made the comment: > Isn't it funny that when the issue of legitimate dan is brought up, > there > are usually two predicatble responses. One is, that the person > responding feels > that he never needed the kukkiwon (that's perfectly fine). Second > is, that I > should concentrate more on my skills than the shenanigans around me > and rank > isn't important. Funny though..in both cases these comments come from > people that hold 5th dan or higher. FYI: I am nowhere near a fifth Dan, and the only one who calls me "master" is Mrs Weller. (Who will kick my ass if she reads that statement)... Compared to many on the list I am a newcomer. Peace!! dave weller --__--__-- Message: 8 From: "Johnnie Rouse" To: Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2006 16:29:50 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] KKW PAPER Trail Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net >Throw all the !@#$ paper away and get out on >the mat! Stop wasting time chasing paper. This is OK by me if that is what you have in mind for yourself. Sounds like the same justification for dropping out of high school. There are people that intend to make a life career in MAs and most potential clients and students usually like to see credentials. Johnnie Rouse --__--__-- Message: 9 Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2006 15:10:50 -0700 From: The_Dojang To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Preparations for 1st WTF World Taekwondo Poomsae Chip Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Preparations for 1st WTF World Taekwondo Poomsae Championships in Korea Go Smoothly Preparations for the 1st WTF World Taekwondo Poomsae Championships scheduled for Sept. 4-6, 2006 in Seoul, Korea are going smoothly, organizers said on Aug. 18, 2008. "As of Aug. 17, a total of 47 countries confirmed their attendance in the inaugural World Taekwondo Poomsae Championships," said Jin-bang Yang, deputy secretary general of the Korea Taekwondo Association. Yang predicted that about 700 athletes and officials from more than 55 countries are expected to participate in the event, which will take place at the Olympic Gymnasium No. 2 at Olympic Park. "The sheer number of participating countries reflects the growing interest in the inaugural World Taekwondo Poomsae Championships by WTF member national associations," Yang said. Among the countries that are expected to attend the Seoul championships are Sweden, Great Britain, Serbia & Montenegro, Jordan, Germany, Ukraine, Norway, Japan, Russia, Iran and Pakistan. The opening ceremony of the championships will take place at the competition venue at 10:30 a.m. on Sept. 4. The closing ceremony is scheduled at noon on Sept. 6. During the opening ceremony, the WTF will celebrate the newly designated Taekwondo Day, together with the KTA, the Kukkiwon and the Taekwondo Promotion Foundation. The WTF designated Sept. 4 as Taekwondo Day at its General Assembly in Ho Chi Minh City, Vietnam, last month. On Sept. 4, 1994, the International Olympic Committee decided to accept taekwondo into the official program of the 2000 Sydney Olympic Games. To mark the 1st Taekwondo Day, WTF President Chungwon Choue, together with high-ranking officials of the KTA, the Kukkiwon, the Taekwondo Promotion Foundation, is scheduled to host a reception, in the form of a welcoming party, for the visiting heads of delegations of the World Taekwondo Poomsae Championships and other dignitaries from at home and abroad at 6:30 p.m. on Sept. 4, at the Olympic Parktel. The KTA is also organizing the 2nd Korea Open International Taekwondo Championships. The annual Korea Open is scheduled to kick off in the afternoon of Sept. 6 for a four-day run at the same Olympic Gymnasium No. 2, with its opening ceremony scheduled to take place at the same venue at 5 p.m. on Sept. 7. "As of yesterday, 26 countries notified us of their participation in the Korea Open, and we expect that number will rise to more than 33," Yang said. --__--__-- Message: 10 From: "Johnnie Rouse" To: Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2006 16:46:04 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] KKW Certs. Pyung-Ahn Side note Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Hi Rick, >Rick Clark :wrote: >There is no way that the Pyung-ahn form are from Koryo I should have been more clear i suposse. I was refering to the current condition of my personal notes not the origen of the Pyung-Ahn hyong motions. Johnnie Rouse --__--__-- Message: 11 Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2006 18:26:56 -0400 From: "Rick Clark" Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] KKW PAPER Trail To: Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Hi Johnnie, >From: Johnnie Rouse [mailto:rmetals@cmaaccess.com] >>Throw all the !@#$ paper away and get out on >>the mat! Stop wasting time chasing paper. > >This is OK by me if that is what you have in mind for >yourself. Sounds like the same justification for dropping out >of high school. There are people that intend to make a life >career in MAs and most potential clients and students usually >like to see credentials. > >Johnnie Rouse While I did post this comment - I really don't think the idea is to ignore getting a certificate from your instructor, school, or association. But rather not to chase a certificate from some large organization such as the KKW. The paper no matter who or where it comes from really does not mean a thing, the real test is when a person get in front of a class or across from a partner. A high school diploma is given by thousands of different schools each year, from very small schools to mega size high schools, not to mention the GED's give out. Each diploma is still a diploma that can get you into University. The diploma from the smallest school in Indiana is recognized by the largest University in the US, and I suspect in Universities outside the U.S. Why should TKD certificates from small organizations not be accepted by larger organizations? Rick Clark --__--__-- Message: 12 From: "WTSDA Bruce" To: Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] you do have a point Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2006 19:15:59 -0500 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Certificates are paper, you can make your own on a good computer or printer. Or go to e-bay and buy one http://cgi.ebay.com/MARTIAL-ARTS-INSTRUCTOR-CERTIFICATE_W0QQitemZ150024265561QQihZ005QQcategoryZ16044QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem http://cgi.ebay.com/Three-Martial-Arts-Certificates-Save-125-00-PLUS_W0QQitemZ110022492128QQihZ001QQcategoryZ16044QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem http://cgi.ebay.com/MARTIAL-ARTS-RANK-RECOGNITION-CERTIFICATE-ALL-STYLES_W0QQitemZ150024265111QQihZ005QQcategoryZ16044QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem I lost the begining of this thread, so if I am off base I apologize. When a TSD student comes to our Association/Dojang he/she is evaluated on their technique for transfer of rank, not the paper they bring with them. Bruce ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joseph Cheavens" To: Sent: Monday, August 21, 2006 1:01 PM Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] you do have a point > Very interesting site. Thanks for sharing. Couldn't the WTF sue Hackworth > or even request that the Fed pursue criminal wire and/or mail fraud > charges? > > Before looking at the fake certificates, I stumbled upon this gem of > mis-translation. > > http://jlim.net/Gallery/MedalAwards/TKD-CDK-AppreciationPlague.jpg > > I'm not sure what a "plague of appreciation" is, but I'm sure I don't > want to catch it. ;-) > > Joe Cheavens > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > > From: Ray > Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] you do have a point > Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2006 09:13:44 -0700 (PDT) > > Incidentally, you know they are back in business? > > Sad. > > Folks... for specific examples of what happened in the past see: > > http://jlim.net, then go to Gallery -> Fake Certificates. > > And thanks to Julian Lim for making these readily available on the > net. > > Ray Terry > rterry@idiom.com > _______________________________________________ > The_Dojang mailing list, 2,100 members > The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource > Standard disclaimers apply > http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang > _______________________________________________ > The_Dojang mailing list, 2,100 members > The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource > Standard disclaimers apply > http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang --__--__-- Message: 13 From: "WTSDA Bruce" To: Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] fight science Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2006 19:24:57 -0500 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Great program, son not in MA, wants to be an engineer, was fascinated. If anyone missed it, here is a link to two more airing dates. http://channel.nationalgeographic.com/channel/ET/popup/200608210000.html Bruce ----- Original Message ----- From: "steven riggs" To: Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2006 11:20 PM Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] fight science >I thought it was fantastic. I taped it for my students to watch. I thought >it was a shame that they had a Tae Kwon Do guy rather than a Tang Soo Do >Black Belt. Steven (don't everyone curse me at once) > > Jye nigma wrote: Has anyone watched the Fight Science > show on National Geographic Channel? If so what did you think about the > program. I actually liked it. > > Jye > > > --------------------------------- > Do you Yahoo!? > Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail Beta. > _______________________________________________ > The_Dojang mailing list, 2,100 members > The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource > Standard disclaimers apply > http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang > > > > Sensei Steven Riggs > Senior Instructor > American Defensive Arts > stevencriggs@yahoo.com > www.americandefensivearts.org > 828-322-6904 > > > --------------------------------- > Stay in the know. Pulse on the new Yahoo.com. Check it out. > _______________________________________________ > The_Dojang mailing list, 2,100 members > The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource > Standard disclaimers apply > http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang --__--__-- Message: 14 From: "Steven Berkowitz" To: Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Mr. Rubinfeld Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2006 17:57:38 -0700 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Hey! Don Quixote!- actually, except in rare east coast cases, many of the "Physicians" and "Dentists" were untrained, unlicensed and unregulated through the late 1800s in the US. Come to think of it, Hippocrates himself had no formal degree in "Medicine" or "Surgery", but was a "healer", a naturopath of the rawest form. Remember the "snake oil" docs? Then, along came some visionary people, in the early 1900s in the US, graduates of a variety of "schools" of "Medicine" and "Surgery", hoping to stop the barber-chair tonsilectomies and bone-setting, and standards were set, first regionally, then regionally expanded to national. Now, admittedly, the physicians have become the high-priests of America, and get away with legalized murder, but, as for me, I wouldn't go back to an unregulated medical group. Fortunately, the unscrupulous usually lose interest when they find out that there is work involved, including retraining to a commonly-agreed level for Board members, no different than for the "regulated" ones, and, as human behavior is wont to do, when work is required, 99.5% will flee the room. THAT, more than any other argyment, is the argument that should be put forth by instructors that ARE legit, that they have to re-do the work. Yet, that does not have to be the case. They simply have to be able to demonstrate the proficiency, not the pushups and jumping jacks. Their forms, moosul techs, the repetoire of what they themselves are teaching at levels currently, and its all good. Not "re-test", just show they are "good-to-go" at the level they are to be "grandfathered" in without challenge. Films, videos, seminars, classes taught, all lenf to that "proof". OR, a certified letter from their own mentor-instructor, that their systems certifies that ........ blessings another Don Q Steven ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Weller" To: Sent: Monday, August 21, 2006 2:58 PM Subject: [The_Dojang] Mr. Rubinfeld > Mr. Rubinfeld, > > First let me apologize for misspelling your name!! Just mark it off > as a hayseed hick with no linguistic skills allowed to use a > computer. I sure didn't mean it as a put-down or anything else. And > I use Mr. to show respect. Like some others on here, I have a hard > time using first names in most of these discussions. Once we've had a > brewski (or Pepsi if that's your style) together we can talk about > the Mr. deal. > > Second, > Let me also tell you, as a certified windmill jouster myself, I hear > you. And I agree with MANY of your points. I just don't think a > board of "peers" will do us any good. You mentioned that Doctors > Boards are not filled with shams, fakes, and wannabe's. I agree. But > if doctors had been unregulated for decades and many unscrupulous > persons had somehow become doctors, the situation would be much > different. How in heck will you select this Board? What credentials > will I have to show to be considered?? None? Or a handful of fake > junk printed by some nut-case pro rassler in Florida? The way it is > now, the guys with the most "legit" paper are probably the ones who > are abusing the system and will be first in line to be "on the > board!" Cripes, look at Hackworth's site, the guy is AWESOME on paper! > > I understand you got taken by some jerks. But trying to regulate this > field would be akin to cat herding. I really don't think it would be > any better than what we have, and might actually work against us by > making it to hard for folks to teach the art(s) they love! I know my > instructor would not be willing to go through very much paperwork to > continue doing what he has been doing for the last 30 years. And > losing guys like him, well, THAT would be a crime! > > Just know that I am on your side 100%, until you start "regulating" > me. Then I'm dropping back to 90%! > > Third: > I don't know if you were referring to me when you made the comment: > > Isn't it funny that when the issue of legitimate dan is brought up, > > there > > are usually two predicatble responses. One is, that the person > > responding feels > > that he never needed the kukkiwon (that's perfectly fine). Second > > is, that I > > should concentrate more on my skills than the shenanigans around me > > and rank > > isn't important. Funny though..in both cases these comments come from > > people that hold 5th dan or higher. > > FYI: I am nowhere near a fifth Dan, and the only one who calls me > "master" is Mrs Weller. (Who will kick my ass if she reads that > statement)... > Compared to many on the list I am a newcomer. > > > Peace!! > > dave weller > _______________________________________________ > The_Dojang mailing list, 2,100 members > The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource > Standard disclaimers apply > http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.11.4/424 - Release Date: 8/21/2006 --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang http://the-dojang.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/the_dojang Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and http://MartialArtsResource.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of The_Dojang Digest