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Re: Chamber position of your hands during Poomse - really a self defense question (Jay O'Connor) 2. Re: Chamber position of your hands during Poomse - (Ray) 3. Re: advice (Victor.E.Dodge@jci.com) 4. Re: Who sits on the martial arts board? (sidtkd@aol.com) 5. Re: advice (Victor.E.Dodge@jci.com) 6. Re: Re: Who sits on the martial arts board? (Ray) 7. Re: advice (John Chambers) 8. Youth Protection (Lasich, Mark D.) 9. Re: advice (Victor.E.Dodge@jci.com) 10. Re: Jump Kicks (Victor.E.Dodge@jci.com) 11. Re: advice (Jay O'Connor) 12. Mexico City School (CHUCK LUNTZ) 13. Karl Gotch url (Ray) 14. Taeguek and Palgwe forms (instructor@realtaekwondo.com) 15. WTF Recruitment Notice (The_Dojang) 16. RE: Chamber position of your hands during Poomse - really a self defense question (Rick Clark) 17. Been Away For a While (Richard Tomlinson) --__--__-- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2006 9:03:49 -0600 From: Jay O'Connor To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Chamber position of your hands during Poomse - really a self defense question Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net ---- Joseph Cheavens wrote: > In my original Ji Do Kwan dojang, we were taught to chamber our reserve > hand high (floating ribs). The purpose of chambering the punch is to > derive more power (push-pull motion). In poomse, you hold the punch > position after executing the punch and then move to the next position > without returning to a fighting/ready stance. In a real life situation, > you are either going to be flowing from one position to the next fast > enough that your hand will only be chambered low for a fraction of a > second, or flowing back into your fighting stance (hands up) fast enough > that your hand will only be chambered for a fraction of a second. All > that said, when I do bag work or spar I use a boxing/shorinji kempo style > punch where I chamber the back hand high up by my face. I think that's why we (adults) don't do forms in the class I attaned. Every drill we do, whether punching or kicking, the off hand stays back at the face for protection. Took me a week or two to break the habit on punching to chamber to the waist/ribs and I still left my right hand fly a bit too much when doing left leg kicks. My instructor has a tendancy of not liking to practice techniques that he considers "not applicable and not instructive" and I think he considers chambering the elbow back like that fall in that category... Take care, Jay --__--__-- Message: 2 From: Ray Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Chamber position of your hands during Poomse - To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2006 08:10:11 -0700 (PDT) Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net On the chamber position, now what if that hand you're pulling back to your side had something in it? Like it had a hold on something... ??? Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 3 Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] advice To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net From: Victor.E.Dodge@jci.com Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2006 10:20:39 -0500 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net sounds like you are getting way too much fluid in it. are you a diabetic, b'chance????? Mr. Berkowitz, No. Actually, I just had some blood work done before I broke my toe thinking I had low blood sugar, but everything turned out to be normal. This seems to be a recurring problem whenever I injure my feet. (hyperextended toes, bruised instep, achilles tendonitis, etc.) --__--__-- Message: 4 From: sidtkd@aol.com Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2006 11:38:25 EDT To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: Who sits on the martial arts board? Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Who sits on the medical boards? psychology boards etc? People from the professions that do not have criminal records and have sterling community service. They are selected by the Governor of the state. Problem with that? Then don't complain about Hachworth. He is the consequence of no regulation as other the other thieves and abusers that ruin the martial arts we love. Sid --__--__-- Message: 5 Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] advice To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net From: Victor.E.Dodge@jci.com Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2006 10:38:02 -0500 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Mr. Cheavens, No. We are not allowed to wear shoes on the mats. However, when my foot isn't swollen, I can wear them to practice off the mats. (Just not in regular training class) It does help some, as they hold my toes snugly during pivoting. However, as I tend to clench my toes it hurts which throws off my balance. It does seem to be getting better each day, and I practice a little more each day. I don't practice my jumping kicks, though. They definitely need work, but I can wait a little longer. D@mned elbows! They're not just for offense anymore. I have seen many taped/twisted toes on the dans at my dojang. They all say pretty much the same thing, "Give it a little time to heal now or it'll bother you for a long time." Victor Dodge Do you wear TKD shoes to train in? I think that some kind of MA shoe would help provide extra support for your toe after you tape it and would alleviate strain on it when you pivot on the ball of your foot. With the proper precautions (taping, shoes), I would think that you could practice basic techniques and forms - just no sparring, bag work, hogu drills or target drills. I broke the same base joint on my big toe about 2 months prior to my chodan test (caught an elbow with a doryo ch'agi), so I just had to train through the pain. It continued to bother me for about five or six years afterwards. Joe Cheavens --__--__-- Message: 6 From: Ray Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Re: Who sits on the martial arts board? To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2006 08:55:34 -0700 (PDT) Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > ... They are selected by the Governor of the state. Problem with that? You're right. Political appointments are never a problem... :) Hey, Ms./Mr. political candidate... I'll see that $XXXXX is contributed to your campaign if you will consider doing me this one little bitty favor. Just the type of situation the chubby wannabes would love to see. I'm not saying that a board could not work, but once local/state/federal politics enter the picture the liklihood drops significantly. imho. Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 7 From: "John Chambers" To: Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] advice Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2006 13:03:11 -0400 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Enough about a sore toe! Just let it heal while continuing to do what you are physically capable to handle. John ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, August 23, 2006 11:38 AM Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] advice > Mr. Cheavens, > > No. We are not allowed to wear shoes on the mats. However, when my > foot isn't swollen, I can wear them to practice off the mats. (Just not in > regular training class) It does help some, as they hold my toes snugly > during pivoting. However, as I tend to clench my toes it hurts which > throws > off my balance. > It does seem to be getting better each day, and I practice a little more > each day. > I don't practice my jumping kicks, though. They definitely need work, but > I > can wait a little longer. > D@mned elbows! They're not just for offense anymore. I have seen many > taped/twisted toes on the dans at my dojang. They all say pretty much the > same thing, "Give it a little time to heal now or it'll bother you for a > long time." > > Victor Dodge > > > > > Do you wear TKD shoes to train in? I think that some kind of MA shoe > would help provide extra support for your toe after you tape it and would > alleviate strain on it when you pivot on the ball of your foot. With the > proper precautions (taping, shoes), I would think that you could > practice basic techniques and forms - just no sparring, bag work, > hogu drills or target drills. I broke the same base joint on my big toe > about 2 months prior to my chodan test (caught an elbow with a doryo > ch'agi), so I just had to train through the pain. It continued to bother > me for about five or six years afterwards. > > Joe Cheavens > _______________________________________________ > The_Dojang mailing list, 2,100 members > The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource > Standard disclaimers apply > http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang --__--__-- Message: 8 Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2006 13:23:52 -0400 From: "Lasich, Mark D." To: "Dojang \(Dojang\)" Subject: [The_Dojang] Youth Protection Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I know the BSA youth protection training is very good. Not only does it help with the usual CYA activities (don't be alone with the kids, careful about touching, etc.), but it also gives you some good techniques to help spot abuse that may come from other areas. This abuse can be sexual, physical and/or emotional abuse. What a wonderful position to be in: you've done all you can to minimize situations so that nobody accuses you of any type of abuse, but you are also watching out for signs that something could be happening elsewhere! I recall from my TSD MDK days discussions on physical, emotional and spiritual health - too bad there is so little emphasis on all three now a days. Spiritual health, especially, never seems to get much air time! So, in that light, a new question: What, if any, activities do folks do to help their students promote growth in ALL three areas? I am sure we all know the physical, emotional could be tied to the "tenants" of the various styles, Spiritual????? Curious. In the spirit, Mark --__--__-- Message: 9 Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] advice To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net From: Victor.E.Dodge@jci.com Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2006 13:08:49 -0500 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Professorjohn, Thanks for the advice. As with all advice, I will use what seems appropriate and disregard the rest. Thanks again, Victor Dodge professorjohn@tam pabay.rr.com To 08/23/2006 12:03 the_dojang@martialartsresource.net PM cc Subject Please respond to Re: [The_Dojang] advice the_dojang@martia lartsresource.net Enough about a sore toe! Just let it heal while continuing to do what you are physically capable to handle. John --__--__-- Message: 10 Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Jump Kicks To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net From: Victor.E.Dodge@jci.com Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2006 13:20:54 -0500 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Mr. Donahoo & Mr. Okerstrom, I was started on jumping kicks at 7th gup (high purple belt) in order to prepare for 6th gup (green belt) testing. My kicking combinations were: Hopping (sliding) roundhouse kick, back-swing kick Jumping roundhouse kick, jumping back kick It was the most challenging testing up to that point due to the endurance required for practicing the jumping kicks. Victor Dodge Mr. Donahoo, We do it almost exactly as you state. It was eery reading your post. At green belt we put the twimyu (jump) in the dwit chagi (back kick). Other than that, we're in unison. Gordon Okerstrom _______________________________________________ --__--__-- Message: 11 Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2006 12:50:39 -0600 From: Jay O'Connor To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] advice Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net ---- Victor.E.Dodge@jci.com wrote: > Professorjohn, > Thanks for the advice. > As with all advice, I will use what seems appropriate and disregard the > rest. I suppose that's easier than doing it the other way around :) Take care, Jay --__--__-- Message: 12 From: "CHUCK LUNTZ" To: "Dojang" Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2006 13:58:53 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] Mexico City School Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I have a student moving to Santa Fe, Mexico City. The postal code (codigo postal) is 01210 for business center also 05100. She is a Green Belt in the WTF of TKD doing the Taeguek forms. Any assistance will be appreciated and forwarded to her. Thank you Chuck --__--__-- Message: 13 From: Ray To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net (The_Dojang) Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2006 12:35:49 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [The_Dojang] Karl Gotch url Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net http://tinyurl.com/nq7j8 Karl Gotch's conditioning challenge. FWIW... Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 14 Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2006 12:38:44 -0700 From: instructor@realtaekwondo.com To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Taeguek and Palgwe forms Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I asked the same question about the difference between the two styles of forms to GrandMaster Dr. Richard Chun (9th dan, WTF Technical advisor). He explained to me that Palgwe forms are more combat effective. He said that the Taeguek forms were made simpler and used to get the whole TKD world doing one set of forms. He called them basic forms. Master Eddie Urbistondo --__--__-- Message: 15 Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2006 15:18:35 -0700 From: The_Dojang To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] WTF Recruitment Notice Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Recruitment Notice 23 Aug 2006 As part of its efforts to enhance the international standing and efficiency, the World Taekwondo Federation plans to employ new personnel to the following position: New Opening: One full-time staff in the field of taekwondo competition and technical matters (on a one-year contract basis) Requirements: - Age: between 35 and 45 - Fluent in English : TOEIC and/or TOEFL records required - Ample experience in taekwondo competition and technical matters - No problems traveling abroad Salary: Negotiable - Depends on the credentials, job description and requirements of the position. Subject to interview performance. Nationality: No restrictions - Koreans should have no problem traveling abroad. - Foreigners should guarantee that he or she does not have any problems applying for a working visa. Documents required: - You are required to send us your up-to-date resume, a self-introductory letter, a career record, an academic record or certificate(s), and document(s) or certificate(s) substantiating your language abilities, including TOEIC and/or TOEFL, if any. - There will be three stages for the recruitment process. First, we will review the authenticity of the applicants' credentials. Short-listed applicants will then be invited for an interview in two stages. - You are required to send your curriculum vitae via e-mail (general4wtf@unitel.co.kr) or by post. Please note that your resumes will not be returned. All applications should be received by no later than Sept. 5, 2006. Kindly mail your job applications to the following address: Job Application Attn: General Affairs Division World Taekwondo Federation 4th Fl., Joyang Building, 113 Samseong-dong, Gangnam-gu, Seoul Korea 135-090 E-mail: general4wtf@unitel.co.kr * If you need more information, please contact the General Affairs Division at (82-2) 566-2505 (extension 206, 208). --__--__-- Message: 16 Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2006 19:39:20 -0400 From: "Rick Clark" Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] Chamber position of your hands during Poomse - really a self defense question To: Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Hi Joseph, >From: Joseph Cheavens [mailto:jcheavens@hotmail.com] > > >In my original Ji Do Kwan dojang, we were taught to chamber >our reserve hand high (floating ribs). The purpose of >chambering the punch is to derive more power (push-pull >motion). I was told this as well, but really do you think this holds water? If it did give you more power professional boxers would be making use of this technique. Having your hand in a chamber position is used in virtually all of the percussive martial arts, and has been for a LONG time. Could there be another reason why we would make use of the chamber position? One thing that I would suggest is that we don't think in terms of a technique having a 'start' and 'end' position like we might see in still photographs. Think in terms of using the full range of the technique and all of the points in-between. Rick Clark --__--__-- Message: 17 From: "Richard Tomlinson" To: Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2006 21:32:51 -0400 Subject: [The_Dojang] Been Away For a While Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I've been away from the digest for a while. I have started "Boot Camp" saturdays at my school to help students who wish to increase their stamina and focus on ability. One thing I wounder, any one could let me know of ways to better improve our martial arts techniques into practical regular people self defense techniques. sandy --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang http://the-dojang.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/the_dojang Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and http://MartialArtsResource.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of The_Dojang Digest