Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2006 03:01:08 -0700 From: the_dojang-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: The_Dojang digest, Vol 13 #358 - 8 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: the_dojang-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: kma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: The Internet's premier discussion forum on Korean Martial Arts. 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Re: Korean wrestling (aburrese@aol.com) 2. Temporary Black Belt?? (Curt McCauley) 3. Re: temporary black belt (John Chambers) 4. 2nd International Martial Arts Games Open (The_Dojang) 5. RE: Chamber position of your hands during Poomse (Rick Clark) 6. monk taking punches (Thomas Gordon) 7. what is korean wrestling ? (Don Kirsch) 8. fight science (Rob Damour) --__--__-- Message: 1 Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2006 17:31:23 -0400 From: aburrese@aol.com To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: Korean wrestling Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Gordon asked: What is Korean wrestling? **************** The traditional Korean wrestling is called Ssirum and is similar to Japanese Sumo. I enjoyed watching matches during the Tano Festival when I lived in Korea. It is not nearly as big a deal as Sumo in Japan, which I was very caught up in when I lived there, but it is still a fairly popular sport in Korea and fun to watch. Alain www.burrese.com For Your Safety - For Your Success ________________________________________________________________________ Check out AOL.com today. Breaking news, video search, pictures, email and IM. All on demand. Always Free. --__--__-- Message: 2 From: "Curt McCauley" To: Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2006 15:13:48 -0700 Subject: [The_Dojang] Temporary Black Belt?? Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Hello to all, In the system that I study, the Dan Candidate performs his/her Dan Shim Sa in front of an appointed Regional Examiner (10 regions in the U.S.). The Regional Examiner submits recommendations to the Technical Advisory Committee, who review the physical recommendations, the essays, and the written exams. The TAC then puts this on the President/ Kwan Jang Nim's (We only have one Kwan Jang Nim in the Moo Duk Kwan, just a lot of training mats all over the world) desk, who approves and mails the certificate to the Instructor. The instructor then awards the Certificate and the belt. If you are not a Dan, you are a gup. By the time a candidate tests he/she has probably jumped through many hoops at the studio and at Regional functions, just for the opportunity to participate in the Testing. No need to for temporary anything. If a candidate fails a segment of the testing. The Regional examiner can have him make up that part of the test with his instructor who will then notify the Regional examiner of the completion, and the paperwork is then sent. If the Candidate should completely fail the test, he/she will then wait (with probably a lot of attention from his instructor) another six months for the opportunity to test again. (no extra charge). When a student fails so does the instructor in a different way. A Dan is a Dan. I learn so much from this site, thanks everyone. Thanks especially Mr. Terry. Curt McCauley Chief Instructor Channel Town Soo Bahk Do --__--__-- Message: 3 From: "John Chambers" To: Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] temporary black belt Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2006 19:11:55 -0400 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net NO! John Chambers ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2006 4:02 PM Subject: [The_Dojang] temporary black belt > Could someone explain the purpose of "temporary" black belt? > Why not just another gup (color belt) instead? > I am studying Chang Moo Kwan Tae Kwon Do and once I test for and pass the > black belt testing, I would be awarded a temporary (plain) black belt. > I have to retest to get permanent 1st dan. > Is this typical? > _______________________________________________ > The_Dojang mailing list, 2,100 members > The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource > Standard disclaimers apply > http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang --__--__-- Message: 4 Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2006 18:24:45 -0700 From: The_Dojang To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] 2nd International Martial Arts Games Open Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net 2nd International Martial Arts Games Open Pyongyang, August 23 (KCNA) -- The 2nd International Martial Arts Games were opened with splendor at the Taekwon-Do Hall in Chongchun Street of Pyongyang Wednesday. The first games were held in Pyongyang in September 2004. The current games brought together at least 500 players and delegates from more than 40 countries and regions. The games will involve various martial art games such as Taekwon-Do, the orthodox martial art of the Korean nation, Paduk, Korean Wrestling, Pankration, Muaythai, Kick-boxing, Wushu and Karate. There will be also exhibition performances of Hapkido, dragon dance, etc. Present at the opening ceremony were Yang Hyong Sop, vice-president of the Presidium of the DPRK Supreme People's Assembly, Kim Jung Rin, secretary of the Central Committee of the Workers' Party of Korea, Mun Jae Dok, chairman of the Physical Culture and Sports Guidance Commission, Pang Chol Gap, chairman of the Pyongyang City People's Committee who is chairman of the Organizing Committee of the Second International Martial Arts Games, Jong Jae Hun, secretary general of the International Martial Arts Games Committee, Hwang Pong Yong, chairman of the Korean Taekwon-Do Committee who is chairman of the Korean Martial Arts Federation, and officials concerned. Also present were Jang Ung, president of the International Taekwon-Do Federation and chairman of the International Martial Arts Games Committee who is representative of the International Olympic Committee, honorary guests including Inoki Kanji, director of the Inoki Office, Japan, Leong Wai Meng, vice-chairman of the International Martial Arts Games Committee, Farid Naghdi, representative of the Presidential Office in the Ministry of Physical Education of Iran, Mohammad Ghasem Manouchehri, president of the World Federation of Kick-Boxing, Panagiotis Koutrobas, president of the International Pankration Federation, M. H. Abid, secretary general of the World Oriental Federation, Santiprharp Intaraphartn, vice-president of the World Muaythai Federation, Jong Ji Hae, director general of the Korean Amateur Athletic Federation in Japan, Jong Yon Wu, director of the Field Operation International Canada and other delegates of different international martial arts federations and national martial arts organizations and diplomatic envoys and embassy officials of different countries here and other foreign guests. The Korean women in beautiful national dresses carrying the flag of the Second International Martial Arts Games entered the hall to be followed by teams of players and delegates of different countries including Greece, South Africa, New Zealand, Denmark, Russia, Mongolia, Mexico, Bulgaria, Venezuela, Slovakia, Ireland, Australia, Austria, Uzbekistan, Ukraine, Iran, India, Vietnam, Ethiopia, China, Hong Kong of China, the Czech Republic, Canada, Cambodia, Thailand, France, Kyrgyzstan, Cyprus, Scotland, England and regions and team of the DPRK, team of the General Association of Korean Residents in Japan and referees of the games. The chairman of the organizing committee of the games made an opening address. Amidst the playing of the song "Thee dove fly high" the flag of the games was hoisted. Yang Hyong Sop said in his congratulatory speech that the Second International Martial Arts Games to be held here thanks to the unanimous desire and will of the world martial art practitioners desirous of building a new peaceful world in the idea of independence, peace, friendship and solidarity will greatly please and encourage the Korean people all out in the general march for national reunification and building a great prosperous powerful socialist nation, single-mindedly united around Kim Jong Il. He expressed conviction that the games would provide the martial art practitioners and fans around the world with a meaningful occasion of swapping the noble spirit, excellent technique, achievements and experience and deepening the friendship. Jang Ung, member of the International Olympic Committee, conveyed the congratulatory message to the games sent by Jaques Rogger, president of the committee. Leong Wai Meng said in his congratulatory speech that holding the games in Pyongyang would demonstrate the unanimous will of the world martial art practitioners and fans to make a new history of the martial arts games centering around Korea where the first torch of martial arts was lit and the appearance of the united martial art practitioners. He stressed that the International Martial Arts Games Committee would make every possible effort to boost the unity and cooperation among martial art organizations in different countries of the world and develop martial arts on the principle of mutual respect and confidence. There were at the ceremony colorful performances of the Korean women's brass band and artistes and exhibition presentations by Taekwon-Do instructors and players in connection with the opening of the games. --__--__-- Message: 5 Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2006 22:19:57 -0400 From: "Rick Clark" Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] Chamber position of your hands during Poomse To: Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Hi Mark, >From: Lasich, Mark D. [mailto:Mark.Lasich@alcoa.com] >Mr. Rick Clark wrote in response to Joseph Cheaven regarding >"push-pull" of chambering action: > >>I was told this as well, but really do you think this holds >water? If >>it did give you more power professional boxers would be making use of >>this technique. Having your hand in a chamber position is used in >>virtually all of the percussive martial arts, and has been for a LONG >>time. Could there be another reason why we would make use of the >>chamber position? > >[snip] > >If physics teaches us for every action there is an equal and >opposite reaction, I can see the pulling back (rechambering) >of the non-puching/blocking hand/arm. Ok but can't you do the same thing by other actions and not have to pull your hand back to your belt and leave yourself wide open? >Even when we look at putting our hip into a punch, the other >hip naturally goes in the opposite direction. So, until one >can generate power through hip action alone (boxers?), I think >the use of the opposite arm to pull back is appropriate. Perhaps, but personally I have done enough breaking when younger to recognize that you need not bring a hand back to your waist to generate power. To drop your hand back to your waist in a "real" situation to me seems a bit more than risky. >Also, I don't think doing this naturally predisposes people to >do it always. I've looked at forms at the "text-book" way of >doing techniques. Pull the arm back, great. Sparring is a >practical application, and more free flowing than forms. So of >course you'll want to keep the other hand up to block-counter-etc. It's an axiom in psychology that people revert to previously learned behavior in moments of stress. I am a firm believer that as you train you will react. One of my friends gave me an interesting idea some time back. "IF" and I do mean "IF" you were ever in a real situation with a martial artist and you were in a lock or hold and could not escape - try tapping out. They just "might" react and let up for a split second and "perhaps" you might find yourself with an opportunity to escape. >Similarly, I expect to use excellent stances in my forms. In my opinion stances give you the ability to generate power/force or give you the ability to perform a technique. Stances are natural, just think of how you would have your feet if you were doing the following: 1) Pushing a car. 2) Pulling a rope. 3) Lifting a barbell Stances will give you the ability to perform the action of the hands. >Sparring? Whatever it takes. Agreed - but I am not into sparing much anymore :-) >Perhaps that's just my point of view. The nice thing about a point of view it that you need not keep that view if you see a different point that makes sense. Rick Clark >In the spirit, >Mark >_______________________________________________ >The_Dojang mailing list, 2,100 members >The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net >Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource >Standard disclaimers apply >http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang --__--__-- Message: 6 From: "Thomas Gordon" To: Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2006 22:13:46 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] monk taking punches Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I tell ya, what's the world comin to when you can't trust a monk anymore. I know, we should set up a professional oversight board.... j/k :o)~ http://www.motoring.co.za/index.php?fArticleId=3406304&fSectionId=&fSetI d=381 Martial-arts monk taking punches over luxury 4x4 August 24, 2006 Beijing, China - The abbot at a Shaolin temple in China's poverty-stricken central province of Henan has caused a stir, Tony Yengeni style, not only for accepting a $125 000 luxury car as a gift but also for suggesting he get a bigger present later. Chinese state media said on Wednesday that Shi Yongxin, head of the Buddhist monastery believed to be the home of kung fu martial arts, was given the VW 4x4 by local officials for his "services for tourism". There is a Shaolin temple in South Africa and others around the world. "I will try my best to promote martial arts to the world in an attempt to boost local tourism. I dream of getting a bigger prize next year," Shi said when he received the car a week ago, according to the Xinhua news agency. Tens of thousands of Internet users reacted variously to this gift and the abbot's remark, with anger and support. One anonymous contributor wrote: "Shaolin monks are renowned for their austerity... but now luxury goods have entered their lives, proving that the religious world has been violated by worldly concepts." Others supported the abbot, saying the acts of driving and praying were not at odds in a monk's life. "There aren't any laws stipulating that monks can't drive a car," said one posting. The Shaolin Temple was established 1500 years ago and is famoujs for combining martial arts with Buddhism and its monks go into long sessions of mind-purifying meditation. It has in recent years sought to shed its reclusive reputation, increasingly stepping into the spotlight to promote trademark protection for the temple and raise money. The temple has also announced it will partner with a Chinese TV station to produce an "Idols"-styled reality show involving kung fu fighters from around the world. - AFP --__--__-- Message: 7 From: "Don Kirsch" To: "the_dojang" Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2006 22:44:25 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] what is korean wrestling ? Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Gordon, Ray is correct. Korean style wrestling is called Ssireum. There are numerous Ssireum schools through out Korea. They also show ssireum matches on television. From the little I've seen of ssireum it looked like one of the primary techniques was the "atomic wedge". Regards, Don Kirsch --__--__-- Message: 8 From: "Rob Damour" To: Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2006 22:55:11 -0600 Subject: [The_Dojang] fight science Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net i was wondering if anyone could possibly send me a copy of the fight science show that was on national geographic channel,i would gladly pay for shipping and dvd's .Please. thanx Rob --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang http://the-dojang.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/the_dojang Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and http://MartialArtsResource.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of The_Dojang Digest